TheQueenLG 2,469 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, MJHolland said: the idea that you think the two are even comparable is wildly hysterical. Biden is a lifelong public servant. He's an actual leader. Meanwhile trump is teargassing peaceful protestors so he can get a photo opp! When we had 100,000 covid death, he was golfing the next day! He has yet to even formally address the national on the civil unrest. Biden has. He cares. It's so clear. The way Bernie supporters are willing to shore up ANOTHER Trump victory... I'm sorry but the only word that comes to mind is pathetic. Bernie himself is pleading with his supporters to vote for this man. So please do not act like you're doing this for the Revolution. Let me be clear that I don't think you are pathetic or are a bad person. But Trump is hurting people in this country, throughout this world. We don't know what a Biden admin will look like, but I PROMISE on my life that it will be better than this. Anything could be better than this. And if you want someone like Bernie to win ever again in the future, I promise you that this is NOT how you make inroads into a two-party system. I personally could not support Bernie in the primary because I knew from experience that his supports would act like this and push the self-destruct button if they didn't get exactly what they wanted. But Biden is willing to work with you. He's willing and actively working with Bernie. The man WANTS to learn, he wants to see this country go down the path of inclusiveness and progress. Please work with him. Please lobby his team and make them include the policies that you want to see. I know those people and they want your help. They want to work with you to bring you into the tent! Never mind. I thought you were someone else. I'm putting on my clown makeup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevana229 1,916 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 1 hour ago, TheQueenLG said: Joe Biden has zero, let's be very clear, ZERO moral authority on the matter of criminal justice and law enforcement. He is one of the key culprits in creating this f*ck up, racist, white supremacist system. I do not give a sh*t what he has to say on the matter. TBH, he's irredeemable at this point. said no one ever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQueenLG 2,469 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Just now, stevana229 said: said no one ever This is how many, many people feel in this country, you realize? LMAO Pretending they do not exist does not make them nonexistent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevana229 1,916 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 1 minute ago, TheQueenLG said: This is how many, many people feel in this country, you realize? LMAO Pretending they do not exist does not make them nonexistent. it may be how you feel... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adakam 2 Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, TheQueenLG said: But it is ABSOLUTELY a matter of principles. Do your principles allow you to support and vote for someone who is a very credibly accused rapist? Do your principles allow you to support and vote for someone who played a key and primary role in the creation of the latest manifestation of white supremacy: racist law enforcement and criminal justice? My principles say NO. However, I am keeping an open mind, admittedly, because Trump is proving himself to be so dangerous, as you mentioned. What is the worst thing that can happen if Biden wins? Well, as a perpetual liar, he may run for a second term. Well, as a key inventor of racist mass incarceration, he may pass legislation that is even tougher on crime. Well, he might, just as the Obama admin did, send out the national guard in response to protests that he finds uncomfortable. Most of all, Biden might, due to his values as a corporatist shill, usher in DECADES of incremental, moderate change. This type of change, I will emphasize, is deadly. Every year that a universal health care program is not in place, thousands of people die. Joe Biden will not fix this. I agree that Trump can do a whole lot of bad over the next four years, but it is not crazy to question if we are better off organizing through means outside of elections until 2024, when we might be able to elect someone whose policies actually reflect the wants/needs of the working people. Making a choice that you admit is a bad one only perpetuates the system that gave you those bad choices. "Reject the duopoly that does not give us results" is becoming more and more appealing to me. Do you realize that all your speculation about a Biden presidency is based on mays and mights? Well, a Trump second term is based on "he WILL 100% do it". As I said, dont underestimate Trump, dont underestimate what he and the GOP are capable of and dont forget you are not only choosing one man, you are choosing an entire team. And in sorry but out of all the points you said about what would be the worst with Biden, not a single one is even close to what Trump can do. And my principles? They just see what Trump has done and feel that the priority is to stop him, and that there will be other chances to get a Bernie like candidate in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CautiousLurker 19,709 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Adakam said: The GGD title: "Biden says cops should shoot unarmed people in the leg" Actual quote "if someone with a knife is coming at you, try to shoot the leg instead of the heart" If you dont see the clickbait in that, idk what to tell you. But then again, im being told right now that "this thread is to discuss this speech" is equal to "YALL SHOULD PRAISE THE SPEECH" so im not surprised some of yall have reading comprehension problems. People weren't upset with what he said because he was quoted out of context, they were upset because it completely missed the mark in regards to why people are upset in the first place - it's not because cops are using force inappropriately when someone's coming at said cops with a knife It's a joke! When you give me that look, it's a joke! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQueenLG 2,469 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, stevana229 said: it may be how you feel... Oh, I see. You trivialize the positions you do not agree with as feelings, as if your arguments have some sort of intellectual superiority. Get off your high horse and listen to people, ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQueenLG 2,469 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Adakam said: Do you realize that all your speculation about a Biden presidency is based on mays and mights? Well, a Trump second term is based on "he WILL 100% do it". As I said, dont underestimate Trump, dont underestimate what he and the GOP are capable of and dont forget you are not only choosing one man, you are choosing an entire team. And in sorry but out of all the points you said about what would be the worst with Biden, not a single one is even close to what Trump can do. And my principles? They just see what Trump has done and feel that the priority is to stop him, and that there will be other chances to get a Bernie like candidate in. What you fear Trump will do is also SPECULATION. It is the same as what I speculate Biden might do. Your speculation does not have greater importance or validity than my speculation just because you have a preference for your own speculation. Lol. I agree he is very bad, likely worse than Biden. My point is that that does not mean that I should vote for Biden, just because he is less monstrous than Trump. Principles are applied equally. If you have the principle that you cannot support or vote for a very credibly accused rapist, and you vote for Joe Biden, you have violated your principles. You could argue that you are planning to violate your principles while voting for Joe Biden, and that would be valid, but do not pretend that Biden is something that he is not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorusRa2 5,005 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 43 minutes ago, MJHolland said: the idea that you think the two are even comparable is wildly hysterical. Biden is a lifelong public servant. He's an actual leader. Meanwhile trump is teargassing peaceful protestors so he can get a photo opp! When we had 100,000 covid death, he was golfing the next day! He has yet to even formally address the national on the civil unrest. Biden has. He cares. It's so clear. The way Bernie supporters are willing to shore up ANOTHER Trump victory... I'm sorry but the only word that comes to mind is pathetic. Bernie himself is pleading with his supporters to vote for this man. So please do not act like you're doing this for the Revolution. Let me be clear that I don't think you are pathetic or are a bad person. But Trump is hurting people in this country, throughout this world. We don't know what a Biden admin will look like, but I PROMISE on my life that it will be better than this. Anything could be better than this. And if you want someone like Bernie to win ever again in the future, I promise you that this is NOT how you make inroads into a two-party system. I personally could not support Bernie in the primary because I knew from experience that his supports would act like this and push the self-destruct button if they didn't get exactly what they wanted. But Biden is willing to work with you. He's willing and actively working with Bernie. The man WANTS to learn, he wants to see this country go down the path of inclusiveness and progress. Please work with him. Please lobby his team and make them include the policies that you want to see. I know those people and they want your help. They want to work with you to bring you into the tent! And all Im asking you to do is believe a woman and admit youre asking people to vote for one rapist over another and instead you tell me Biden is a leader. No. Hes not a leader. He raped Tara and has a particularly creepy habit of sniffing young girls. You can say hes the lesser evil but stop telling me hes better than I think. He is a rapist. As someome who is a fan of Gaga, you would think there would he some sense of acknowledgement of that. Oh and the Obama administration didn't seem to have much to say when they used tear gas at standing rock protests. Maybe you should stop trying to avoid the hard truth that democrats are guilty of transgressiond and refusal to act when atrocities happen. https://grist.org/article/white-house-stays-quiet-after-police-confrontation-at-standing-rock/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, HorusRa2 said: And all Im asking you to do is believe a woman and admit youre asking people to vote for one rapist over another and instead you tell me Biden is a leader. No. Hes not a leader. He raped Tara and has a particularly creepy habit of sniffing young girls. You can say hes the lesser evil but stop telling me hes better than I think. He is a rapist. As someome who is a fan of Gaga, you would think there would he some sense of acknowledgement of that. Oh and the Obama administration didn't seem to have much to stay when they used tear gas at standing rock protests. Maybe you should stop trying to avoid the hard truth that democrats are guilty of transgressiond and refusal to act when atrocities happen. https://grist.org/article/white-house-stays-quiet-after-police-confrontation-at-standing-rock/ Rape?! Not even Biden’s accuser claims he raped her?! You are clearly on some kind of mission. Go Google something before you start popping off on the internet. Even a cursory glance at this story would have revealed that — despite her story changing several times since she first revealed it last year. Can you blame any of us for categorizing this as speculation? Whatever. This thread is about something else. But it still stands that if you’re not voting for Biden, you’re voting for the status quo — Donald Trump. So have fun living with that. The bro’s are really something else. Lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adakam 2 Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 29 minutes ago, CautiousLurker said: People weren't upset with what he said because he was quoted out of context, they were upset because it completely missed the mark in regards to why people are upset in the first place - it's not because cops are using force inappropriately when someone's coming at said cops with a knife No, the comments reacted to the twisted quote, with comments like "what about not shooting unarmed people" and only turned to your explanation after they got called out on it. Secondly, not only he followed it immediately with "theres a lot of different things that can change", he gave a much bigger explanation on his police reform plans in today's speech. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adakam 2 Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 28 minutes ago, TheQueenLG said: What you fear Trump will do is also SPECULATION. It is the same as what I speculate Biden might do. Your speculation does not have greater importance or validity than my speculation just because you have a preference for your own speculation. Lol. I agree he is very bad, likely worse than Biden. My point is that that does not mean that I should vote for Biden, just because he is less monstrous than Trump. Principles are applied equally. If you have the principle that you cannot support or vote for a very credibly accused rapist, and you vote for Joe Biden, you have violated your principles. You could argue that you are planning to violate your principles while voting for Joe Biden, and that would be valid, but do not pretend that Biden is something that he is not. How can my fears for trump be speculation when he has proven them right for the last 4 years? If you really think that, imma stop the conversation here. If everything he has done, from his Covid death toll to his fascism this week where he is threatening to kill americans, to packing the courts, removing all environmental regulations in the country, leaving the Paris agreement, defending the dictators of the world, giving the country to the rich on a silver platter, voter supression, calling Nazis fine people but BLM protestors thugs, wanting to dismantle Obamacare leaving millions with nothing, having 30+ sexual accusations, including a direct link to Epstein's pedo ring, and a 20-page etc. is not enough for you to know that its not just speculation, theres no point in keeping arguing. "Likely worse than Biden", yeah right. Have a nice day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma 7,182 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 5 hours ago, Monsterabriel said: I still won't vote this election, he's a pedo and Trump is an ass, both are disgusting human cockroaches. Trump is a pedo AND an ass It's sad that it has to come down to this but there's a bigger evil between the two Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SummerGirl21 787 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 5 hours ago, funkyhaus said: One cheek of the same a$$ At this point, it is clear any human being with a soul is better than Trump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bling 31,680 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 5 hours ago, FATCAT said: it's good to hear someone actually competent speak. We're talking about Biden tho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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