Lana Del Rey Drags Music Culture And Also Announces New Album Date

[Bounty 776]

She's right but I don't think it was necessary to drag women of color to make her point clear, it comes across bitter and problematic.

[Bounty 776]

1 hour ago, President Biden said:

i find it ironic she mentioned all these artists but not Miley. Like IK she worked with Miley, but like We Can’t Stop is not any different than Beyonce’s music.

Exactly, Miley has been more provocative than Ari or other she mentioned...

[buzzkill 4,906]

i think the only wrong thing about this is that she said that Beyonce got that #1, when she didnt. for the rest, some good points, some unnecessary ones, but who am i to judge? 

[buzzkill 4,906]

5 minutes ago, Bounty said:

Exactly, Miley has been more provocative than Ari or other she mentioned...

i think its because she's saying about CURRENTLY events in the music industry? Miley last hit was almost 7 years ago. 

[Stephen 30,298]

Ewww. Why the need to name drop all these other artists. She could have made her point without coming off so condescending. I've been losing interest in Lana the past few years and this might have sealed the deal for me.

[JohnnyVersace 8,809]

Ok but.....how can you say that Beyonce and Ariana lack integrity and just make music about ****ing and cheating? LOL

 

Ariana's past two albums have been about depression, death, anxiety, sadness, loss of love. 

Beyonce created an entire work about the turmoils of her marriage and overcoming for the good of her children. 

 

Lana, I love you girl and I see the point youre trying to make....but roping these two into it is just.....wack. 

[Fernster7 7,845]

People praising this... Not surprised tho.

[Awrah999 4,072]

She comes off at bitter and immature with minimal insight into how her post is perceived. As much as I like her music (I loved Born To Die and Paradise) she DEFINITELY glamorizes abusive relationships for better or worse. I’m glad she’s being real in her feelings and expressing them, but to name other artists who have had #1’s for being “sexual” when she’s definitely been extremely sexual herself makes her sound salty she didn’t have as much success. I would argue her music is entertaining and enjoyable but this post and her general personality are just not it. 

[spector 1,902]

i think she's just trying to shift the focus and is quite a bit butthurt. she should clearly admit that she did glamorize abuse ("hit me and it felt like a kiss") and death ("i wish i was dead already"). it is no coincidence that cobain's daughter went after her. why was she capable of apologizing for that? also, at some point, she decided not to perform ultraviolence any longer for the very same reason (backlash). lana is not consistent, that's the issue. if she wants so sing about these topics, go ahead, but don't lean right first, then left, like a "delicate" flower  there are times when she's interested in social advancement and cultural responsibility, which comes with having a platform like hers (e.g., she's refusing to sing ultraviolence, apologizing to cobain's daughter); other times, however, she isn't, and she's standing in full solidarity with artistic freedom (e.g., an ig post like this). but how is she doing it? throwing mud at other women? it is one of the accomplishments of feminism that human beings can articulate their gender identities and sexual preferences and that they (in this case, women) can sing about those aspects of their lives without the fear of being accused of self-objectification or pleasing others. what made male rock stars, back then, what they were (males and rock stars), was that women and, let's say, cars meant the same in their eyes (and in those of society): scalps, collectables, objects. and women were throwing themselves at them because they didn't know better (society didn't teach them better, if you will). now, in the current climate of (pop) culture, the tables have turned: displaying such patterns of behavior is unacceptable and can lead to canceling. and this is good: a perceivable result of feminism.

it follows, i think, that it is quite backward (even shameful) that a female musician questions the sexual self-presentation of her fellows; on top of that, it is a white woman that calls out the other women of color (except ariana with whom, funnily enough, she recently collaborated and praised her). all this is very problematic, pointing toward lana's contradictory, easily swayable disposition. i have further problems with the implications of her phrases "authentic, delicate selves" and "that's just how it is for many women," especially because she uses them as parts of her argumentation, but then points out that, at present, she sees things differently ("up until recently") and "learned a lot." well, lana, guess what? those things that you learned are all the hard-earned results of feminist movements in society. so, the question is: is she trying to retrospectively defend her body of work, implying that she moved on and will not sing about such topics, or that although she learned a lot, she will continue to sing about glamorized abuse, reasoning that if her fellow pop girls can sing about sexual topics, then she also has the artistic, "feminist" right to voice herself without being censored? is it what's at stake here? that she is preemptively trying to defend the lyrics of her upcoming record/poetry books/lyrical volumes that could be deemed problematic/ant-feminist? is her dramatic tone shifting the focus from what's she really trying to do? is all this a jeffree-level  promo for her new releases? if so, that's a bit sad.

in summary: in my opinion, the glamorizing of sexual freedom and that of abusive/toxic/suicidal relations (to others and self) fall in very different categories; these ideations should be differentiated from one another. the first is a feminist accomplishment: that individuals can talk about aspects of their sexualities openly; that such topics are no longer expressed from the privileged rock star position; that women in pop can assert their agency, bear their bodies (naked and sensual, if they prefer), and have their voices heard without fearing that they'll be accused of pleasing, and catering to, the big other (the man *taylor swift voice* , i.e., the heteronormative and patriarchal standards/scripts of western cultures). as such, lana's post does read accusatory, unfortunately. the free expression of the second goes against feminism: such lyrics put human beings in voiceless positions of shiny subordination. that's not good. lana can state that she's "not not a feminist," but taking her republican and conservative tendencies into account, she is, by no means, a "full feminist" either (i.e., a not not-not-feminist ). 10 years went by, sociocultural norms were altered (for the better, i think), she also changed and learned (by her own admission), so why feel the need to post something like this? she should just admit that she's no (full) feminist and that she's going to sing about her questionable things in the future; which is fine, she's just exercising her legal and artistic right to free speech. she shouldn't expect, however, that if she does, "woke" critics won't tear her to pieces, and rightfully so, as employing her argumentation (if other women can sing about sex now, then she should also be allowed to sing about abuse, death, and subordination) is highly problematic, especially in a post-#metoo era.

[Awrah999 4,072]

also the dragging of women of color only to name drop her Native American charity is just  especially as she’s appropriated that culture so many times 

[River 106,225]

P!nk have been singing about abusive relationship and nobody cared.

[ProdigyARTPOP 3,899]

I get where Lana’s coming from but I also feel like she complains about not having #1s or being ‘mainstream’ enough but her/her team for example, didn’t promote DCMA and it was her most mainstream effort in awhile. 
She also acts as if she wasn’t about to possibly win AOTY at the Grammys for NFR last year like where’s this coming from?

I get the intention but her wording and presentation of her argument makes her sound so pressed like if she’s upset she hasn’t gotten her flowers.

[JaysAMess 27,843]

She made several points but there really was no need to drop names.

[Dreammonster 164]

People dragging her cause she called out POC. First off no she didn't, and second if you all notice they're light skin. Not a single dark skinned female. FYI the point the twitter stans are making against lana being racist doesn't even stick. If this were about "race" she would've named women with dark skin. Those are my two cents if ya'll wanna drag me go ahead. 

[Terrence 1,206]

29 minutes ago, ProdigyARTPOP said:

I get where Lana’s coming from but I also feel like she complains about not having #1s or being ‘mainstream’ enough but her/her team for example, didn’t promote DCMA and it was her most mainstream effort in awhile. 
She also acts as if she wasn’t about to possibly win AOTY at the Grammys for NFR last year like where’s this coming from?

I get the intention but her wording and presentation of her argument makes her sound so pressed like if she’s upset she hasn’t gotten her flowers.

You missed the entire point of the post

 

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