"Sine From Above" Old Elton Project Reworked?

[Defmix100 6,374]

3 minutes ago, Dayman said:

    Samples have always been a huge part of her music and ALL pop music really. Reworking songs is actualy sometimes harder than making something from scratch as well - rather than start in a new direction you have to re-approach it with the view of how can it be updated? After all, a song done in 2014 has to be reworked to sound like a song for 2020. Songs like Telephone, Government Hooker, Bloody Mary, Aura, Donatella, Mary Jane Holland and more all are songs that were essentially reworked from old projects or preexisting productions - doesn't mean they didn't have heart put into them.

    I won't even get into a list of the samples because that is far too long. The disdain I've seen for vocal samples on Chromatica is odd too, house music and dance music as a whole is very dependent on these samples for its sound - using a pack for them and saying its lazy is like saying that if a song uses an already programed drum kit it's lazy. We don't view all the packs and samples used as lazy when it comes to instruments - that is unless it's a vocal sample because it's not HER voice it seems. When you view the vocal samples as just another instrument in the production it really makes a difference - because that is exactly how they are being used in the songs.

reworking from an older song by her is cool and I think a good idea because it's giving the song a second chance (like the rumours of Reloaded being reworked on Chromatica). But you've seen on here how a lot of people feel with Donatella and MJH (although I'm positive this one isn't true since the CBTM version has the guitars in it so surely this must have been after Gaga's involvement).

My personal issue with samples is if they play a key role like the SL chorus or what could be all of Babylon. I think they work great as a little added element but having them integral to the overall song does seem lazy especially if the producers are being paid tens of thousands initially then making so much more after. I can easily imagine how many talented lesser known producers would work their *ss off given the opportunity to produce for one of the biggest artists in the world. So far except for ROM everything I've heard from Chromatica sounds like it could all be kitbashed from loop packs or stock music. Obviously there are so many tracks left to listen to so far and I'm optomistic for my feelings to change.

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24 minutes ago, Defmix100 said:

I don't know what it is about her using old tracks

How are we sure about this tho? The Elton John reject being reworked for Chromatica is just a rumor. Reloaded being reworked as Replay is also just a rumor.  Stupid Love is a song made in 2018. Samples? She's been doing that since The Fame.

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23 minutes ago, Defmix100 said:

I don't know what it is about her using old tracks and lots of samples, it's almost like she just wanted to quickly make a dance album for the fans who complain how many years it's been (when I first read the Chromatica poster and it mentioned Joanne and ASIB I read it more along the lines of "don't worry about the incredibly personal projects I poured my heart and soul into, all you want is dance music so this is what you get")...but Chromatica has also taken years to make.

I mean let’s not get into the fact that ARTPOP was mostly made of preexisting instrumentals that she bought. Sampling is different and you’d be surprised at the amount of pop songs that use samples. Like seriously the large majority.

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17 hours ago, PartySick said:

^Me about Rain On Me and Sour Candy

Anyway, power/rock ballad incoming

I'm sick of power/rock ballads and jazz for last 7 years
He would be a great option for Joanne or for coming CTC sequel, but idk about Chromatica. Anyway, let's see 

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17 hours ago, Defmix100 said:

reworking from an older song by her is cool and I think a good idea because it's giving the song a second chance (like the rumours of Reloaded being reworked on Chromatica). But you've seen on here how a lot of people feel with Donatella and MJH (although I'm positive this one isn't true since the CBTM version has the guitars in it so surely this must have been after Gaga's involvement).

My personal issue with samples is if they play a key role like the SL chorus or what could be all of Babylon. I think they work great as a little added element but having them integral to the overall song does seem lazy especially if the producers are being paid tens of thousands initially then making so much more after. I can easily imagine how many talented lesser known producers would work their *ss off given the opportunity to produce for one of the biggest artists in the world. So far except for ROM everything I've heard from Chromatica sounds like it could all be kitbashed from loop packs or stock music. Obviously there are so many tracks left to listen to so far and I'm optomistic for my feelings to change.

What is the CBTM? 

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Just now, dancewithnobody said:

I'm sick of power/rock ballads and jazz for last 7 years

That's the Gaga I stan the most honestly

Watch him deliver a twerk anthem

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Just now, dancewithnobody said:

What is the CBTM? 

Can't Beat the Machines

 

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16 hours ago, PartySick said:

That's the Gaga I stan the most honestly

Watch him deliver a twerk anthem

To be honest, I did expect her to release another mild album after the ASIB success or an album with at least a half of songs being ballads 

[Dayman 6,179]

21 minutes ago, Defmix100 said:

reworking from an older song by her is cool and I think a good idea because it's giving the song a second chance (like the rumours of Reloaded being reworked on Chromatica). But you've seen on here how a lot of people feel with Donatella and MJH (although I'm positive this one isn't true since the CBTM version has the guitars in it so surely this must have been after Gaga's involvement).

My personal issue with samples is if they play a key role like the SL chorus or what could be all of Babylon. I think they work great as a little added element but having them integral to the overall song does seem lazy especially if the producers are being paid tens of thousands initially then making so much more after. I can easily imagine how many talented lesser known producers would work their *ss off given the opportunity to produce for one of the biggest artists in the world. So far except for ROM everything I've heard from Chromatica sounds like it could all be kitbashed from loop packs or stock music. Obviously there are so many tracks left to listen to so far and I'm optomistic for my feelings to change.

   I definitely agree with points of that - it's why I'm not a huge fan of Bloodpops production style as a whole and am missing DJWS on this album. I still am enjoying the sound and the production - but it feels more distracting than anything when it comes to the vocal samples. I just kinda got over it I think when we started hearing more and more - it felt more like a creative direction at least then. I think "Stupid Love" has it the worst since there really are no strong counter melodies to the instrumental and the vocal sample takes the place of one - but it quite frankly is just a boring one and is too loud in the mix. If it was subdued and there was something in there to just flesh out the sound a bit more it would be better. I look forward to Babylon because it has much stronger melodies and progression accompanying the vocal sample just from what we can hear in the Haus Labs snippet. Once it has vocals on the whole song I can easily see it being a great track. I liked the demo snippet, but it was too LQ and potentially outdated production to tell how I feel about it as a song yet fully.

   MJH is a fun one! So the Can't Beat The Machines "remix" was done without permission from Madeon - they had taken the instrumental put their vocals on it and hoped to convince him to release it officially AFTER they had done it - they then posted it to the internet as a "Madeon Remix" and Madeon had to scramble to get it taken down since it belonged to another artist. This wasn't big news for Gaga fans as it happened because they had no idea obviously, it was only after MJH dropped that the story was linked together exactly how things went down. The instrumental did however start its life as a live track Madeon would play called "Revenge" in a distantly similarly fashion "Ubelkeit" is another song Madeon used for live sets - that song is a source of a lot of the production for "Venus". It isn't a rework as much as some shared production since Gaga primarily produced with Madeons help and his resources.

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1 hour ago, Dayman said:

I never saw that - and I even tried searching to see if anyone mentioned it. Welp, goes to show how useful the search engine is on here at times...

I think the person was theorising that they originally made it together in like 2014 or whenever it was and they reworked it for chromatica. But it had all the same content and receipts and everything. 

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2 minutes ago, Original Diva said:

I think the person was theorising that they originally made it together in like 2014 or whenever it was and they reworked it for chromatica. But it had all the same content and receipts and everything. 

Wow, I can't believe I missed that. Well, hey - some more theorizing and guessing in the last few days before release is still fun!

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Ok I was not expecting Sine From Above to potentially be a bop! I imagined a ballad seeing Eltons name...no shade