Free Woman quality clarification

[Alphaz 7,956]

Who cares, I can bop to the leak until ROM.

[Yxilon 5,248]

1 minute ago, Rio said:

Swear mastering is done all the end of the track when it's all finished though

That is "final mastering", mastering in general means applying a series of operations in order to elevate the sound quality (such as compression, equalization, noise reduction, reverb/delay filters etc).

Mixing means adjusting volumes of the single elements in relation to each other.

[Rio 5,088]

17 minutes ago, lodylody said:

As a pro music producer, you know that the vocals and instrumental would be mastered together? And that a higher quality doesn't necessarily mean mastered, if it's done poorly, or if it's done for a quick demo export (as this probably is)?

We can't be comparing SL and this anyways. This has clearly been uploaded in a low bitrate, like a 128kbps .mp3

[lodylody 1,749]

1 minute ago, Yxilon said:

I tried to explain it in a synthetic way in my post so that everyone could kinda understand.

I (as other italian colleagues of mine) do compression separately (otherwise I would have used the word mixing) but maybe that depends partially on the software you use (?) I use Cubase and it definitely works better this way.

Sorry! I think I'm increasingly understanding the difficulties of communicating these concepts by trying to write about it  

It's interesting that you compress the instrumental and acapella stem separately. I've never done that, I don't like the idea of it, but I'll look it up. Maybe I'm missing a trick  

I think our discussion comes down to a difference in terminology, in that case  I would call it mixing, still, I think. I'd reserve the term mastering for when it all comes down to the single audio file. But I respect your difference of production techniques and everything  

I think from the leak, it's difficult to tell exactly what stage they were at, or their methods, or why it sounds the way it does. But it's definitely a demo, and things definitely aren't finished, regardless.

[Yxilon 5,248]

5 minutes ago, Rio said:

could easily be the final version for all we know but the bitrate is ****

nah the vocals still need some work

[Rio 5,088]

4 minutes ago, Yxilon said:

That is "final mastering", mastering in general means applying a series of operations in order to elevate the sound quality (such as compression, equalization, noise reduction, reverb/delay filters etc).

Mixing means adjusting volumes of the single elements in relation to each other.

Mixing can also include compression, reverb, and EQ, though? I always mix the track and apply the relevant effects before I even open a mastering programme. I always considered that part of the mixing process. Mastering is done entirely separately though, at the very end, which can obviously include compression and EQ. Guess I'm confused, I learned something new

[Putang Ina Mo 2,179]

1 hour ago, Infinity Wave said:

Free Woman is a demo from 2018, far from the final version

Stupid Love was the final version leaked when exported to be sent to the final mastering stage 

2018?! Damn, how long was Gaga pregnant with LG6? 

[VasilisVas 5,196]

Can someone at least tell me where I can find it to listen to it?  

[Yxilon 5,248]

1 minute ago, lodylody said:

Sorry! I think I'm increasingly understanding the difficulties of communicating these concepts by trying to write about it  

It's interesting that you compress the instrumental and acapella stem separately. I've never done that, I don't like the idea of it, but I'll look it up. Maybe I'm missing a trick  

I think our discussion comes down to a difference in terminology, in that case  I would call it mixing, still, I think. I'd reserve the term mastering for when it all comes down to the single audio file. But I respect your difference of production techniques and everything  

I think from the leak, it's difficult to tell exactly what stage they were at, or their methods, or why it sounds the way it does. But it's definitely a demo, and things definitely aren't finished, regardless.

It's definitely difficult as the terms "mastering" and "mixing" meaning might have slight differences due to different countries. 

I think in general, having polished stems makes the final mastering easier and less problematic, I think it's more comfortable.

Sending respect and kindness to you too <3

[Yxilon 5,248]

3 minutes ago, Rio said:

Mixing can also include compression, reverb, and EQ, though? I always mix the track and apply the relevant effects before I even open a mastering programme. I always considered that part of the mixing process. Mastering is done entirely separately though, at the very end, which can obviously include compression and EQ. Guess I'm confused, I learned something new

I think we are just messing around a terminology quibble

[Rio 5,088]

4 minutes ago, Yxilon said:

It's definitely difficult as the terms "mastering" and "mixing" meaning might have slight differences due to different countries. 

I think in general, having polished stems makes the final mastering easier and less problematic, I think it's more comfortable.

Sending respect and kindness to you too <3

So do you think my songs could sound better if I mix and master two separate tracks? One for vocals and one for the track? How on Earth would I do that 😫😂 I mix both in to one project to see how they sit 

[lodylody 1,749]

5 minutes ago, Yxilon said:

It's definitely difficult as the terms "mastering" and "mixing" meaning might have slight differences due to different countries. 

I think in general, having polished stems makes the final mastering easier and less problematic, I think it's more comfortable.

Sending respect and kindness to you too <3

Yes, definitely agree with you there!

4 minutes ago, Yxilon said:

I think we are just messing around a terminology quibble

I think so too   

[Butters Stotch 5,364]

1 hour ago, Yxilon said:

This clarification is for those complaining for Free Woman audio quality.

There is a difference between this leak and Stupid Love's. 

In Stupid Love's leak, a final mastering encompassing both vocals and instrumental was already done (with very minor tweaks to the official release)

In Free Woman's leak, only the instrumental is mixed and mastered, whereas vocals still lack the mastering process within the instrumental. That means when the song will be officially released, you will notice a much more noticeable quality difference than Stupid Love's leak vs official.

Thanks, this is what I've been trying to explain but I know nothing about music production, so I couldn't find the words to do so. It's gonna be clearer and it's going to sound much better when it comes out. Just don't expect a huge difference when it comes to lyrics or the instrumental... as if it needed something else  it's really amazing.

[Yxilon 5,248]

 

3 minutes ago, Rio said:

So do you think my songs could sound better if I mix and master two separate tracks? One for vocals and one for the track? How on Earth would I do that 😫😂 I mix both in to one project to see how they sit 

imo they have to sound amazing when played alone, before combining them together.

[Cookie Tookie 10,546]

I have a feeling the instrumental is going to be completely different, and the vocals re-recorded. This song can only get better once it’s all polished and mastered. But still, this demo is great nonetheless. It gave me everything Stupid Love didn’t.