Jose P 23,341 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 48 minutes ago, Maleficent said: don't be silly, would random members on a Gaga forum know less than actual scientists? I think not. We should stay in our homes until 2023 I really struggle to understand the mental process of people who believe we should be on lockdown until the virus just disappears lol. Like, I really want to understand what makes them think that’s viable and realistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maleficent 6 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Just now, Jose P said: I really struggle to understand the mental process of people who believe we should be on lockdown until the virus just disappears lol. Like, I really want to understand what makes them think that’s viable and realistic. i gave three reasons (with evidence) why that user who attacked my StarBucks comment is in the wrong and it went unnoticed. It's beyond science... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emvee 8,832 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 46 minutes ago, blankpaper said: Fck the economy, it’s just for rich people! It definitely doesn’t affect everyone’s ability to buy basic necessities, and it definitely won’t disproportionately affect the lower and middle class when it collapses. Let’s stay home forever and stick it to the rich! Hide contents The fact people are thinking you were serious about the Starbucks comment If our world revolves around a system that falls apart and can’t sustain itself during international disasters such as this, then it’s a system we need to throw the **** out and try something else. This is the reality of the 21st century and we need to adapt to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonanon 932 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 38 minutes ago, Maleficent said: Less than flu season 2017/18. And no. not because of lockdowns, because countries that didn't follow lockdowns had the same (or even less) deaths than us. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/last-years-flu-broke-records-for-deaths-and-illnesses-new-cdc-numbers-show/2018/09/26/97cb43fc-c0ed-11e8-90c9-23f963eea204_story.html https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-19/sweden-says-controversial-covid-19-strategy-is-proving-effective From the article: "It’s unclear which strategy will ultimately prove most effective, and even experts in Sweden warn it’s too early to draw conclusions. [...] Part of that approach relies on having access to one of the world’s best-functioning health-care systems. At no stage did Sweden see a real shortage of medical equipment or hospital capacity, and tents set up as emergency care facilities around the country have mostly remained empty." I just don't think you can make the claim that lockdowns did nothing. The truth is we will never know with certainty what the alternative would have been if we didn't lock down. Also as far as claiming countries have fewer (absolute) deaths, I don't think that is a strong argument. You could just as easily claim that Sweden has a higher death rate than US, but even that is not really an apples to apples comparison when you consider all of the other factors like age, number of people tested, etc. Edited just now by anonanon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maleficent 6 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 1 minute ago, anuanu said: Also as far as claiming countries have fewer (absolute) deaths, I don't think that is a strong argument. You could just as easily claim that Sweden has a higher death rate than US, but even that is not really an apples to apples comparison when you consider all of the other factors like age, number of people tested, etc. fewer per capita deaths 1 minute ago, anuanu said: "It’s unclear which strategy will ultimately prove most effective, and even experts in Sweden warn it’s too early to draw conclusions. [...] Part of that approach relies on having access to one of the world’s best-functioning health-care systems. At no stage did Sweden see a real shortage of medical equipment or hospital capacity, and tents set up as emergency care facilities around the country have mostly remained empty." which is why i dont understand that user attacked me for pointing out that lockdowns aren't absolutely effective? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugiwara No Luffy 255 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Wtf are these opinions allowed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maleficent 6 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Postboy said: If our world revolves around a system that falls apart and can’t sustain itself during international disasters such as this, then it’s a system we need to throw the **** out and try something else. This is the reality of the 21st century and we need to adapt to it. our system is only as strong as we treat it. any system, if it is shutdown, is gonna fail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,683 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 I don’t think anyone is advocating lockdowns until the virus disappears. We want a downward trend and then to gradually reopen. We want more testing and contact tracing. Stop with the idiotic assumption that people want to be stuck at home for a year. Stop with the intellectual dishonesty. Jesus Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonanon 932 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Just now, Maleficent said: fewer per capita deaths Can you point me to this or explain what you mean by per capita? This is from the article "Sweden has suffered more deaths per million people than the U.S. (although deaths aren't always counted in the same way)." and matches with other sources. Edited just now by anonanon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maleficent 6 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 1 minute ago, anuanu said: Can you point me to this or explain what you mean by per capita? This is from the article "Sweden has suffered more deaths per million people than the U.S. (although deaths aren't always counted in the same way)." and matches with other sources. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ sorry fewer per capita cases deaths are more, bc sweden's outbreak was almost exclusively in retirement homes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Bardot 3,990 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 other coronaviruses reinfect people after 1-2 years. so it should be similar with this one pooiota Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADVENTURE 856 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Why is this topic always so divided? Jumping to conclusions all over. I don’t think there is absolutely anything wrong with someone saying they want things to go back to normal. And furthermore I’d be more for some legal protections for those who don’t think they can go back until there is a vaccine. But you guys can’t act like we all have to fall in line. Stay home if that makes you feel better. We are creating a world full of germaphobes without realizing that there is a real mental strain that this has taken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADVENTURE 856 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 1 hour ago, ZacharyMark said: Listen up. We aren't going to tolerate bratty opinions on here acting like this virus hasn't already killed 65k+ people and counting in the US. We aren't going to take seriously your petty demands for Starbucks when that's literally the last thing we should be focusing on. Black and brown communities are struggling to fight off this virus due to the lack of health coverage and attention from politicians and negligent folks like you. And tbh, their lives are more important than your iced coffees... The fact that you act like this lockdown as some sort of oppression of your Starbucks intake is one of the most privileged things I have ever heard. We are on lockdown to bend the curve and help out medical professionals on the frontlines. We continue to see tens of thousands of new cases every day as well as thousands of deaths. So don't sit there and tell us that this is some agenda to keep you from your Starbucks. What's in it for us? Idk, maybe the well-being of those most at risk? Not having this virus kill 100k more people if we hadn't taken precaution. We don't need to find new reasons to tell people to stay home or at least practice social distancing when outside. We have already known these reasons since March. And it doesn't take much brain power to do so. Stop downplaying this virus as if it won't affect you or your loved ones. This incessant need to ignore this whole pandemic for a $4 cup of coffee is pathetic. You guys love to attack anyone about this stuff and jump to every conclusion you can. It’s ridiculous. You’re acting like a martyr or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantina 3,438 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 I understand the context that makes you want to get a Starbucks but it is still a little senseless in my opinion. I agree that within reason we should go out of quarantine depending on the curve where you live, but Starbucks is far from a priority. If anyone feels a need to help, there are lots of charities out there to donate money and time to. Edit: Might have been to harsh Until then, this is Elvira saying unpleasant dreams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice bear 1 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 1 hour ago, blankpaper said: Fck the economy, it’s just for rich people! It definitely doesn’t affect everyone’s ability to buy basic necessities, and it definitely won’t disproportionately affect the lower and middle class when it collapses. Let’s stay home forever and stick it to the rich! Hide contents The fact people are thinking you were serious about the Starbucks comment i mean i fully agree with you but poor people don't go around travelling to China and to hell and back to spread the virus, rich people are to blame in part oh wait that's not even related but you get the point ice heard one side from above Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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