Andre Leon Talley Says Anna Wintour is "Not Capable of Human Kindness"

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16 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said:

Ever since Ms Wintour became official sponsor of the Kardashian royal dynasty, Vogue has suffered and lost alot of it’s credibility 

Andre, we believe you sis. Tell it, gurl. Speak on it 

This ! the magazine is not even close to prestige it had years ago, i lost all faith in the magazine when they had Kim Kardashian and Kanye West on the cover. In what world can the same magazine that had Gaga, Beyonce, Meryl Streep, Michelle Obama and Rihanna have that woman on the cover ? its high fashion not OK! or People. In a perfect world she will leave and Vogue can have a fresh look because i can't remember the last time it had an iconic cover.

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I worked for Harper's Bazaar and I was told by my manager that I should dress differently and play the part of a stylish modern person which includes not microwaving my lunch because my lunch always has some odd "spice" smell and it fills the office and ruins the image of luxury.

I would heat my lunch in secret when she wasn't around but I got yelled at many times for doing so. I felt then obligated to eat salads everyday, good thing it was spring time

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2 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said:

Sure, it probably started in the mid 90s when celebrities front row at Paris/Milan/NYC/London became a thing. But Vogue was still in high repute at least until the 2008-2009 financial crisis. I think that one event changed the entire media industry. 

I remember in the early 2000s, my era of coming of age when I first started reading magazines and newspapers, when the Brazilian supermodels (Giselle, Adriana etc) were taking over and it was all about curves, bling, tanned skin...a break away from the heroin chic and grunge of the 90s. Denim jeans were selling for $500 in 2006-2007. Vogue was still VOGUE in the early and mid 2000s.

The degeneration started after 2008-2009.

Firmly disagree, Vogue has consistently aimed further toward the mainstream since the 1980s. I don't necessarily think it's a bad decision, but this path started a LONG time ago. Movie stars and singers have nothing to do with the fashion industry. If anything Wintour is smart for endorsing the biggest celebrities of the past decade and recognizing Kim Kardashian has as much/more knowledge of the fashion and beauty industries as Julia Roberts or Taylor Swift ever did.

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13 minutes ago, lifeasgeorge said:

it's just how the vma's feels so cheap now. it's their own fault for inviting youtubers, reality tv stars, influencers... they're trying to relate to the younger generation when no one wants to tune in for these mediocre stars 

and it's ill-guided imo. 

The younger generation already has all the access possible to youtubers, reality TV stars, and influencers--it's there jobs to be accessible through Snapchat, Insta, Youtube, etc. 

But superstars are still incredibly enigmatic. The VMAs should've focused on what its intended purpose was, to give a platform for fans to share a night with these icons who are otherwise untouchable.  

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2 minutes ago, Joshuaaaa said:

This ! the magazine is not even close to prestige it had years ago, i lost all faith in the magazine when they had Kim Kardashian and Kanye West on the cover. In what world can the same magazine that had Gaga, Beyonce, Meryl Streep, Michelle Obama and Rihanna have that woman on the cover ? its high fashion not OK! or People. In a perfect world she will leave and Vogue can have a fresh look because i can't remember the last time it had an iconic cover.

They chose the lowest common denominator over the exceptional. It’s such a shame. She really breathed fresh air into the industry in 1988 when she first became editor of Vogue, and maintained the utmost standard for maybe her first two decades. But since the global recession of 2008 it all went downhill. Pure unashamed pandering to the highest bidder. 

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4 minutes ago, Nino said:

Firmly disagree, Vogue has consistently aimed further toward the mainstream since the 1980s. I don't necessarily think it's a bad decision, but this path started a LONG time ago. Movie stars and singers have nothing to do with the fashion industry. If anything Wintour is smart for endorsing the biggest celebrities of the past decade and recognizing Kim Kardashian has as much/more knowledge of the fashion and beauty industries as Julia Roberts or Taylor Swift ever did.

I disagree. In the 80s, Vogue moved away from models towards, not celebrities, but artists of various modes. Actors, singers, etc are all artists. The Kardashains are not. 

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5 minutes ago, Maleficent said:

I disagree. In the 80s, Vogue moved away from models towards, not celebrities, but artists of various modes. Actors, singers, etc are all artists. The Kardashains are not. 

So tv stars are artists but not every genre of tv star? Pop stars are artists but the rapper with a bigger sway on fashion trends than any female pop singer has ever had isn't?

Vogue is NOT an art publication, it's a celebrity lifestyle magazine and has been since that since any of us were born. There are plenty of publications that lean into the art of fashion and beauty, Vogue is not one of them.

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Just now, Maleficent said:

and it's ill-guided imo. 

The younger generation already has all the access possible to youtubers, reality TV stars, and influencers--it's there jobs to be accessible through Snapchat, Insta, Youtube, etc. 

But superstars are still incredibly enigmatic. The VMAs should've focused on what its intended purpose was, to give a platform for fans to share a night with these icons who are otherwise untouchable.  

Agreed. I think it's funny that the more they try to relate to the youth and increase their views the more they are pushing them away and ruining their image because it's so blatantly obvious how out of touch they have become. The VMA's used to be IT, filled with so many iconic moments and now they have turned it into a joke in the span of a few years. They need some serious rebranding. If I were them I would maybe go for it in their 30 year anniversary they could seriously revamp and make it exclusive once again, only take the biggest stars again and talents like they used to. Hype it and promote the f*ck out of it to make it a thing again, but I don't see anything of the sorts happening lol.

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1 minute ago, Nino said:

So tv stars are artists but not every genre of tv star? Pop stars are artists but the rapper with a bigger sway on fashion trends than any female pop singer has ever had isn't?

Vogue is NOT an art publication, it's a celebrity lifestyle magazine and has been since that since any of us were born. There are plenty of publications that lean into the art of fashion and beauty, Vogue is not one of them.

No. I never said anything about rappers wtf? 

Actors (of any medium, TV, Cinema) are artists. Singers/rappers are artists. Reality Tv Stars are not artists

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1 minute ago, Maleficent said:

No. I never said anything about rappers wtf? 

Actors (of any medium, TV, Cinema) are artists. Singers/rappers are artists. Reality Tv Stars are not artists

Did you see that Kourtney Kim fight? It was as well acted as anything else on tv

The separation of "good" celebrities and "bad" celebrities is so pretentious. They're being used for their image, not their talents on the cover of a magazine. It's not like there's acting or singing involved in having your picture taken. Why do I have to spell this out.  

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1 minute ago, Nino said:

The separation of "good" celebrities and "bad" celebrities is so pretentious. They're being used for their image, not their talents on the cover of a magazine. It's not like there's acting or singing involved in having your picture taken. Why do I have to spell this out. 

Yes they're being used for their image, but they're also dependent on Vogue to push their art. It's a double edged sword. 

Vogue degrades itself by pushing something devoid of intellect or any real talent.  

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8 minutes ago, Nino said:

Did you see that Kourtney Kim fight? It was as well acted as anything else on tv

The separation of "good" celebrities and "bad" celebrities is so pretentious. They're being used for their image, not their talents on the cover of a magazine. It's not like there's acting or singing involved in having your picture taken. Why do I have to spell this out.  

No, it’s this notion that somehow Kim and her clan somehow represent normal people? They are a parody of normality.

The dichotomy is not good vs bad but exceptional vs ordinary. And the Kardashians are exceedingly ordinary in every sense of the word. Why? Because ordinary, or regular people, is their shtick. Being fake is literally all they are good at. At least paid actors know they’re performing. 

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Just now, Lord Temptation said:

No, it’s this notion that somehow Kim and her clan somehow represent normal people? They are a parody of normality.

The dichotomy is not good vs bad but exceptional vs ordinary. And the Kardashians are exceedingly ordinary in every sense of the word. Why? Because ordinary, or regular people, is their shtick. Being fake is literally all they are good at. At least paid actors know they’re acting.

Vogue is about pushing consumerism through celebrity lifestyle and celebrity is all about image.

I'm sure the Kardashians are shrewdly aware of the image they've curated and obviously it's an image that sells magazines, and $300 plastic sunglasses in turn.

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4 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said:

No, it’s this notion that somehow Kim and her clan somehow represent normal people? They are a parody of normality.

The dichotomy is not good vs bad but exceptional vs ordinary. And the Kardashians are exceedingly ordinary in every sense of the word. Why? Because ordinary, or regular people, is their shtick. Being fake is literally all they are good at. At least paid actors know they’re performing. 

This point is further proven by Anna Wintour replacing Talley (a seasoned fashion exec, who has been in the industry for years and has a deep understanding of fashion, designers, and the craft) with Koshy (a Vine star who became famous for her "overly exaggerated facial expressions). 

It's spineless and degrading to those who work at their craft. 

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If you've read Tim Gunn's first book or seen Andre Leon Talley on TV, you know that he's just as absurd and over the top as she is. And Wintour has always had a reputation as an ice queen, so no big revelations here.