Guest Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 19 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said: The reason Democrat voted Biden is they believed Bernie is not capable of beating Trump. This is what all the media said and Bernie did not help by saying Biden can easily beat Trump What sucks is the founding fathers didn't support the idea of party vs party and that's what politics have turned into more and more over the years. Party before country, as we've seen. Don't want to be kicked off of the party table during lunch. So they decide sitting with their friends and keeping those connections is more important. Smh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 3 hours ago, Faysalaaa said: Trump supporters and Republicans are more progressive than Joe Biden and the whole Democratic party This chart shows the opposite to be true. More Democrats, than Republicans, support insurance coverage for all during the crises, Your title is also misrepresenting the actual study. The percentages show those who support M4A, DURING THE CORONAVIRUS CRISIS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 People (including a lot of progressives) vote more right-wing on economic issues than they are. But people also vote more culturally progressive than they are (Trump might be an exception, but this applies to progressive candidates in particular). Meanwhile, left-wing conservative campaigns are usually quite unsuccessful, people also appreciate some platform consistency, apparently, which could explain why people vote differently than where their opinions lie. The coronacrisis and way the question is asked definitely has some impact on the way the question was answered, we'd have to see if this has a lasting impact on public (and, not unimportant, elite) opinion. If support still hasn't dropped back to normal levels next year, Biden could use the political momentum to implement something like a public option and/or mandatory insurance as pressure will be bigger on blue-dog Democratic and possibly centre-right Republican senators to vote in favour. But for that to happen, Biden would need to be elected in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maleficent 6 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 3 hours ago, Shadow said: The voters or the electors? If we used popular vote in the last 20 years, how many Democratic candidates would have won by now? we would've had democratic presidents since 1992. BUT, this would've pushed Republicans to the left to regain popularity, so theres a lot of variables. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 43 minutes ago, Whispering said: This chart shows the opposite to be true. More Democrats, than Republicans, support insurance coverage for all during the crises, Your title is also misrepresenting the actual study. The percentages show those who support M4A, DURING THE CORONAVIRUS CRISIS. I said Trump supporters support M4A while the Democratic party is against it. Im not talking about Democratic voters, im talking about the whole party, its leaders, and candidates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 33 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said: I said Trump supporters support M4A while the Democratic party is against it. Im not talking about Democratic voters, im talking about the whole party, its leaders, and candidates. You said “Trump supporters and Republicans”. The chart you posted as evidence shows just the opposite. It disproves your point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, Whispering said: You said “Trump supporters and Republicans”. The chart you posted as evidence shows just the opposite. It disproves your point. Yeah Trump supporters support M4A according to the chart, yet the Democratic party refuses to support that. Even Biden recently said during the crisis he wont, while Trump and Republicans are asking to expand Medicare. Im not saying Republicans are good, my point is Democrats do not represent their own voters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 53,580 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 But I thought a public option was whats best 😳😳 But I thought M4A was too radical 😳😳 But I thought Joe Biden had the best platform 😳😳 Ugh Bernie’s mind Ew Biden’s mind at the fact he’s so off with his own base Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Whispering 18,865 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Faysalaaa said: Yeah Trump supporters support M4A according to the chart, yet the Democratic party refuses to support that. Even Biden recently said during the crisis he wont, while Trump and Republicans are asking to expand Medicare. Im not saying Republicans are good, my point is Democrats do not represent their own voters. Less than Democrats. The Republican Party, and Trump, does not support M4A. Biden said he would support those with Coronavirus during the crises, just like this chart is showing that Democrats and Independents want. Trump and Republicans won’t even pay for testing. They aren’t representing their voters. You are mixing up two or three things, trying to make some point that doesn’t exist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 7 hours ago, Whispering said: Less than Democrats. The Republican Party, and Trump, does not support M4A. Biden said he would support those with Coronavirus during the crises, just like this chart is showing that Democrats and Independents want. Trump and Republicans won’t even pay for testing. They aren’t representing their voters. You are mixing up two or three things, trying to make some point that doesn’t exist. Seems like you insist on saying im talking about Trump and the Republican party, when I clearly said and explained twice that im talking about them as voters. Im saying Republicans VOTERS and Trump SUPPORTERS are more progressive than the Democratic party. When I say Democratic party I do not mean the democratic voters, I mean the party as its leaders and candidates. Everyone here understood but you.. Pelosi has a horrible plan, and here is what Biden wants: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 8 hours ago, Faysalaaa said: Seems like you insist on saying im talking about Trump and the Republican party, when I clearly said and explained twice that im talking about them as voters. Im saying Republicans VOTERS and Trump SUPPORTERS are more progressive than the Democratic party. When I say Democratic party I do not mean the democratic voters, I mean the party as its leaders and candidates. Everyone here understood but you.. Pelosi has a horrible plan, and here is what Biden wants: Your chart compared voters. You are all over the place with your comparisons. Is this something you got on some alt right site? They often compare apples to oranges to fit their agenda. Voters want help during the crises. The Republican Party in the Senate and Trump doesn’t want to even pay for testing. They don’t want to give help to first responders and health care staff on the front lines. Biden has said all along that everyone with Coronavirus should be covered one hundred per cent and testing should be increased greatly and be free to everyone. I’ve seen him say this dozens of times. I’ve seen Trump say the states should take care of acquiring and paying for their testing. I’ve seen Trump say states are responsible for finding their own PPE. It is beyond obvious that Trump and his GOP Senate are not prepared or interested in taking care of the citizens during this crises. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Here you go, there is a lot to read on this page: https://joebiden.com/covid19/ “The cost of preventive care, treatment, and a potential vaccine could be an insurmountable economic barrier for many Americans. If we fail to remove this barrier, we will be turning our backs on these Americans in a time of crisis, and putting all Americans at risk by discouraging people from getting necessary testing and treatment. The Biden Plan: Ensures that every person, whether insured or uninsured, will not have to pay a dollar out-of-pocket for visits related to COVID-19 testing, treatment, preventative services, and any eventual vaccine. No co-payments, no deductibles, and no surprise medical billing. This will be achieved by: “ and ”Immediately restore the White House National Security Council Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense, which was established by the Obama-Biden Administration and eliminated by the Trump Administration in 2018. MOUNTING AN EFFECTIVE NATIONAL EMERGENCY RESPONSE THAT SAVES LIVES, PROTECTS FRONTLINE WORKERS, AND MINIMIZES THE SPREAD OF COVID-19 Make Testing Widely Available and Free Ensure that every person who needs a test can get one – and that testing for those who need it is free. Individuals should also not have to pay anything out of their own pockets for the visit at which the test is ordered, regardless of their immigration status. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) must draw on advice from outside scientists to clarify the criteria for testing, including consideration of prioritizing first responders and health care workers so they can return to addressing the crisis.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 54 minutes ago, Whispering said: Your chart compared voters. You are all over the place with your comparisons. Is this something you got on some alt right site? They often compare apples to oranges to fit their agenda. Voters want help during the crises. The Republican Party in the Senate and Trump doesn’t want to even pay for testing. They don’t want to give help to first responders and health care staff on the front lines. Biden has said all along that everyone with Coronavirus should be covered one hundred per cent and testing should be increased greatly and be free to everyone. I’ve seen him say this dozens of times. I’ve seen Trump say the states should take care of acquiring and paying for their testing. I’ve seen Trump say states are responsible for finding their own PPE. It is beyond obvious that Trump and his GOP Senate are not prepared or interested in taking care of the citizens during this crises. You dont scare me by comparing me to the Alt Right, this tactic only works on white Liberal Americans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilmonzter 2,864 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 I would add alleged sexual predator but hey I don't make the rule dunce does sorry dnc does. Joe Biden supporters lmfao Believe women selectively, Nice Sing C'est la vie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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