Why Gaga isn't here for Chromatica...

[Roxanne 591]

why do you call "original fans" only pop listeners and lovers? 

[OMonster 14,675]

Just now, Kindness Hooker said:

Being petty is fun and IDC LMAO.

I'm not La Maison Gaga.

I don't even have Twitter 

 

[Guest]

awesome! another thread!

[Kindness Hooker 7]

6 minutes ago, Gracious Gaga said:

Kindness hooker WHO???

I SAID MOVE LMAO.

[Kindness Hooker 7]

2 minutes ago, OMonster said:

I'm not La Maison Gaga.

I don't even have Twitter 

 

I know lmao I'm being extra 

And decided to be messy for no reason lmaoooo this is my excuse...

[RenegAde 19,145]

Someone lock this please

[FutureIllusion 746]

23 minutes ago, OMonster said:

Here goes... 

Firstly, Gaga knows her fans have been 'demanding' new pop music for a long time now. That's evident by the jokes she (and her team) have made about Joanne, Enigma and other projects over the past few years. 

  Hide contents

See Gaga laughing in response to a monster who thought that the Chromatica Ball would be 'just Enigma'; Gaga teasing that she would wear the Joanne hat throughout all of the era, and how she called out people for judging HL / her makeup. 

Because of this, I think she's worked extremely hard to produce an album that 'finally' gives those fans - her original fans - what they want, as one last hurrah before she starts a family and steps away from pop again. This again is evidenced by things like the return of Gagavision, the Chromatica 'Ball' and the direction of her new music. This is all, overwhelmingly, fan-service at its best. 

Now, I'm not saying that Gaga hasn't or didn't enjoy 'returning to pop music' - but I do believe that she felt that she *had* to do it, and has been intimidated by the pressure and expectation she feels from fans and possibly from her record label, too. In fact, Gaga has said as much herself, though in a less direct way:

  Hide contents

See interview where she explains that she didn't 'feel like' making music, and that she was 'obsessed' with and 'worried' about 'what to do next'. Also:

 

 When you add all of that pressure to 1) the constant leaks and 2) the COVID-19 pandemic, I think it's understandable (however disappointing) that she doesn't feel the hype, or at least doesn't want to share that hype, in the same way she has before for previous albums. 

The leaks, to an extent, kind of undercut her reason for making this album - which was, imo, to please her fans - since she hasn't been able to announce any of the news herself directly to us. Not the lead single, not the album cover, not the track list, not the duets - not a single piece of information, aside from a released date that was later postponed. 

Meanwhile, the global situation right now has most likely shifted Gaga's mind from 'fan service' to a desire to use her platform for tangible change - not just to please 'her little monsters' again. 

I see it as a similar change in direction to what happened when Bowie died. We know she was essentially ready to go with LG5 before scrapping it after his death, in part, reminded her of her own mortality and unleashed a desire to make music that would transcend expectation. 

The difference now, of course, is that Chromatica was already announced and finalised *before* this sudden shift.

As a result, we're now in a situation where Gaga has to continue releasing this album, despite probably not wanting to right now.

And let's not forget, lockdown (and the year long social isolation that will follow) precludes her ability to present this album in the way she wanted to - which, all reports suggest, was intended to be in a very 'old-school Gaga' way that would deliver on fan expectation. 

When you take all of that away, Chromatica - as an era - is both suddenly impossible to roll-out in the way it was created to be, and simultaneously unfit for the times as it has clashed with a global pandemic that only further reminds Gaga as to why she hasn't wanted to release an album like this in so long - because it feels empty, unimportant, regressive, ect, ect. 

In summary then, Chromatica was for the fans but now it can't be - at least, not in the way she envisioned. And, now, as a result, Gaga is most likely releasing this album because she 'has to' not because she really, truly wants to - and that's most likely why she is expressing such little enthusiasm for this era. It's also why, I'd guess, she won't release another pop album for a very, very long time. 

Thank you for coming to my TedTalk, and goodnight 

I completely agree with every single thing you said

[OMonster 14,675]

The dismissiveness on here can be so toxic sometimes 

I know the thread is relatively long, but it's kind of frustrating to be grouped in with people who aren't contributing anything of value. You can disagree with my view of course, but there's nothing abrasive or irrational about what I've said. 

I just tried to articulate why I felt that Gaga isn't so enthusiastic right now, which is a view I know many fans hold at the moment. I didn't intend to stir the pot or irritate anyone. I really just wanted to contribute to the Gaga discussion and maybe engage with opinions that differ to mine in the replies. 

Anyway, I think this is the last I'll say for now. Longer form content really doesn't go down well here anymore, does it? I guess that's the outcome of clickbait culture and short attention spans. 

All the best  

[mariomania1234 11,368]

Why are you assuming she isn't here for it. She literally delayed it because she cares about the albums success. 

The assumptions. :rip

[FutureIllusion 746]

Just now, OMonster said:

The dismissiveness on here can be so toxic sometimes 

I know the thread is relatively long, but it's kind of frustrating to be grouped in with people who aren't contributing anything of value. You can disagree with my view of course, but there's nothing abrasive or irrational about what I've said. 

I just tried to articulate why I felt that Gaga isn't so enthusiastic right now, which is a view I know many fans hold at the moment. I didn't intend to stir the pot or irritate anyone. I really just wanted to contribute to the Gaga discussion and maybe engage with opinions that differ to mine in the replies. 

Anyway, I think this is the last I'll say for now. Longer form content really doesn't go down well here anymore, does it? I guess that's the outcome of clickbait culture and short attention spans. 

All the best  

People are so negative and they won't accept reality

[VasilisVas 5,164]

Gaga is a pop artist and always has been. Like she has said, pop will never be low brow. Just because she made a jazz album with Tony and the ASIB record, doesn’t mean she’s no longer a pop artist and doesn’t like pop music. Gaga is the type of artist who is versatile as we know and can sing pop, rock, jazz, and I wouldn’t be surprised if she could sing metal or opera. I disagree with everything in this thread. Sorry. 

[damag 200]

You will never know your hypothesis. She has no obligation to us. Her obligation is to follow what her contract dictates and what she feels like putting out. She’s the artist behind her craft. She’s not there to bring to life the delusions or longings of little managers. 

[Glamourpuss 29,062]

1 hour ago, OMonster said:

The dismissiveness on here can be so toxic sometimes 

I know the thread is relatively long, but it's kind of frustrating to be grouped in with people who aren't contributing anything of value. You can disagree with my view of course, but there's nothing abrasive or irrational about what I've said. 

I just tried to articulate why I felt that Gaga isn't so enthusiastic right now, which is a view I know many fans hold at the moment. I didn't intend to stir the pot or irritate anyone. I really just wanted to contribute to the Gaga discussion and maybe engage with opinions that differ to mine in the replies. 

Anyway, I think this is the last I'll say for now. Longer form content really doesn't go down well here anymore, does it? I guess that's the outcome of clickbait culture and short attention spans. 

All the best  

Don't change your posts. I love the long ones and you always have something interesting to say. 

I read the whole thing and I agree with it all.  

[OMonster 14,675]

1 hour ago, Glamourpuss said:

Don't change your posts. I love the long ones and you always have something interesting to say. 

I read the whole thing and I agree with it all.  

Well, thank you so much  

I always know that I love reading long thought pieces about Gaga, so I try to emulate that whenever inspiration strikes, lol. 

Thanks again!

[SLAG 7]

Stopped reading at “last hurrah”. Not sure the girl is just gonna quickly get pregnant for a guy she just started dating just for the sake of starting a family.. And also why do fans make it seem like that’s what she spends every minute of her day thinking about?? I mean obviously at some point she wants to but y’all make it sound like this is her only life purpose.