Almost all covid patients who needed ventilators in NY died

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"The records support what doctors have been saying about the coronavirus: most people who become severely ill have some sort of so-called underlying condition. More than half, or 57%, had high blood pressure, 41% were obese and 34% had diabetes."

I hope this is a wake-up call for american's to get it together and start focusing on health/diet/exercise more...we have a health crisis in america, and it starts with our relationship to food.

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If you need a ventilator it's because you are like at a 10% breathing capacity and it's a REALLY invasive treatment. There are other ways and I think they'll start trying to avoid ventilators.

[Jenina 15,347]

24 minutes ago, Maleficent said:

"The records support what doctors have been saying about the coronavirus: most people who become severely ill have some sort of so-called underlying condition. More than half, or 57%, had high blood pressure, 41% were obese and 34% had diabetes."

I hope this is a wake-up call for american's to get it together and start focusing on health/diet/exercise more...we have a health crisis in america, and it starts with our relationship to food.

I think more important than our relationship to food at the moment to getting this change is our relationship to preventative care and doctors, while both are extremely important. A large number of people in the US do not see a doctor until *necessary* due to boundaries that are already known in the healthcare system to seeing a doctor or getting treatment. I think we'll start seeing the change more when that changes and people are able to directly hear that from a doctor that is treating them, which again many people have not seen in years due to boundaries in place. Preventative care is so important and I think people underrate the effects it would have. Both are important for sure though and I hope people start taking it more seriously. Honestly the part that makes me the most nervous about the US is the seeming certainty they have that although they've not been diagnosed with anything, that they're completely healthy and have nothing to worry about. This country in particular needs a reevaluation on our bodies, how we treat them, and the things we put in them in my opinion, but I also don't think this is an effect directly caused by personal decision and food choices or something of that sort. Many are uninformed of the impact and I really do hope it changes at some point as access(hopefully) becomes more available to the public

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43 minutes ago, Maleficent said:

I hope this is a wake-up call for american's to get it together and start focusing on health/diet/exercise more...we have a health crisis in america, and it starts with our relationship to food.

Not easy when healthy food is more expensive than crappy food  That's what I noticed in the US

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1 minute ago, KyaneWest said:

Not easy when healthy food is more expensive than crappy food  That's what I noticed in the US

That's true almost everywhere in the world. 

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Just now, Florin said:

That's true almost everywhere in the world. 

Seems much more significant in the US. Not to mention they have fast foods everywhere & different kinds too

[Supersonic 49,376]

One thing that the article fails to point out is that all of New York's/USA's corona ventilator cases are admitted to the hospital in its final stage of the disease/near death anyway (due to the culture in America of staying away from the hospital for as long as you possibly can), opposed to other countries like Germany where patients are hooked up to ventilators way earlier and admitted to the hospitals way earlier, which is why the mortality of ventilator cases in the USA is extremely high.

The survival rate in Germany is more than 80%, once hooked up to a ventilator, while the underlying conditions are pretty much the same as in the USA.

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5 minutes ago, KyaneWest said:

Not easy when healthy food is more expensive than crappy food  That's what I noticed in the US

With the exception of things like food deserts, that not really true. Healthy prepared food is more expensive than fast food, but for just groceries it can be really cheap to get healthy stuff 

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10 minutes ago, KyaneWest said:

Seems much more significant in the US. Not to mention they have fast foods everywhere & different kinds too

The rest of the world is picking up. Asia countries are probably the only ones who will resist going this path, because their cultures are so different. 

[Morphine Prince 109,729]

57 minutes ago, Maleficent said:

"The records support what doctors have been saying about the coronavirus: most people who become severely ill have some sort of so-called underlying condition. More than half, or 57%, had high blood pressure, 41% were obese and 34% had diabetes."

I hope this is a wake-up call for american's to get it together and start focusing on health/diet/exercise more...we have a health crisis in america, and it starts with our relationship to food.

 

48 minutes ago, Jenina said:

I think more important than our relationship to food at the moment to getting this change is our relationship to preventative care and doctors, while both are extremely important. A large number of people in the US do not see a doctor until *necessary* due to boundaries that are already known in the healthcare system to seeing a doctor or getting treatment. I think we'll start seeing the change more when that changes and people are able to directly hear that from a doctor that is treating them, which again many people have not seen in years due to boundaries in place. Preventative care is so important and I think people underrate the effects it would have. Both are important for sure though and I hope people start taking it more seriously. Honestly the part that makes me the most nervous about the US is the seeming certainty they have that although they've not been diagnosed with anything, that they're completely healthy and have nothing to worry about. This country in particular needs a reevaluation on our bodies, how we treat them, and the things we put in them in my opinion, but I also don't think this is an effect directly caused by personal decision and food choices or something of that sort. Many are uninformed of the impact and I really do hope it changes at some point as access(hopefully) becomes more available to the public

And to add on to both of these points, we need to finally address the health disparities among racial minorities and the poor. It's all a cycle. Food, education, access to healthcare, all affected by your income bracket in some way.

Most deaths in many places are among racial minorities and resource-lacking communities. 

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12 minutes ago, Supersonic said:

One thing that the article fails to point out is that all of New York's/USA's corona ventilator cases are admitted to the hospital in its final stage of the disease/near death anyway (due to the culture in America of staying away from the hospital for as long as you possibly can), opposed to other countries like Germany where patients are hooked up to ventilators way earlier and admitted to the hospitals way earlier, which is why the mortality of ventilator cases in the USA is extremely high.

The survival rate in Germany is more than 80%, once hooked up to a ventilator, while the underlying conditions are pretty much the same as in the USA.

Germany's numbers are impressive and should be a model for the rest of the world for how to deal with this disease. 

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54 minutes ago, Jenina said:

I think more important than our relationship to food at the moment to getting this change is our relationship to preventative care and doctors, while both are extremely important. A large number of people in the US do not see a doctor until *necessary* due to boundaries that are already known in the healthcare system to seeing a doctor or getting treatment.

I can't imagine living in a place that brands itself the greatest country in the world, and not being able to cater to the basic need of seeing a doctor  This has always been beyond my understanding, and unfortunately a global health crisis was apparently what was needed for people to realize how important a good healthcare system is.

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12 minutes ago, blankpaper said:

With the exception of things like food deserts, that not really true. Healthy prepared food is more expensive than fast food, but for just groceries it can be really cheap to get healthy stuff 

There is research that points to the fact that ultra processed food causes obesity. Which is why in places considered food deserts (urban environments but with no fresh food available) and islands that only import processed goods have increased levels of obesity. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5787353/

 

If you look at maps of global obesity, the levels on islands around the world is particularly alarming.

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Studies are starting to show that COVID 19 has more to do with your blood not being able to carry oxygen and release co2. Doesn't have to do with a direct attack on the lungs. So that might be part of the reason why ventilators barely help at the late stages.