Lion Heart 15,041 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Masterpiece Cakeshop owner Jack Phillips is in court again, this time over allegations that his business unlawfully refused service to a transgender woman who requested trans-themed birthday cake. The plaintiff, Autumn Scardina, had previously filed a complaint against Phillips with the Colorado Civil Rights Commission and is now in the midst of a lawsuit at the district level. Both actions stem from a call Scardina says she made to the Lakewood, Colorado, bakery on June 26, 2017 — the same day the Supreme Court announced it would take up a separate case involving Masterpiece Cakeshop’s refusal to make a same-sex wedding cake. Scardina, an attorney and activist, says she tried to order a pink cake with blue frosting, but that the bakery refused her request after she explained it was intended to recognize her identity as a transgender woman, according to court documents. She alleges that a representative of the Christian bakery told her it “did not make cakes for ‘sex changes.’” ... After the commission dropped Scardina’s case, she filed a separate lawsuit last June arguing that Masterpiece Cakeshop violated both Colorado’s Anti-Discrimination Act and the Colorado Consumer Protection Act. The complaint, filed with the District Court for the City and County of Denver, alleges that the business “refused to sell a birthday cake to Ms. Scardina because she is transgender despite repeatedly advertising that they would sell birthday cakes to the general public, including LGBT individuals.” The prior complaint clarifies that the cake was meant to celebrate both Scardina’s birthday, which is on July 7, and the seventh anniversary of her “transition from male to female.” ... But in a Thursday hearing, Phillips’ attorneys requested that the Denver court immediately dismiss the lawsuit. Jake Warner, legal counsel with the Alliance Defending Freedom, said that Scardina should “have filed at the court of appeals” instead of filing a new lawsuit at the district court level. Warner claimed the “plaintiff wants to start the case all over and that isn’t fair to Mr. Phillips.” “At some point, your honor, this must stop,” he said, as the legal website Courthouse News previously reported. “Mr. Phillips just wants to get back to his life and make cakes.” .. The Denver court has yet to state whether it intends to dismiss Scardina’s case, but should it proceed, her lawsuit could decide the most pressing legal question left unresolved by the Supreme Court’s 2018 ruling: Does a business owner have the right to refuse service to an LGBTQ individual or same-sex couple on the basis of faith? https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/masterpiece-cakeshop-owner-court-again-denying-lgbtq-customer-n1184656 ▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbev 498 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 omg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amidana 4,317 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 My state isn't this messy I promise lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanju 1,504 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 “Mr. Phillips just wants to get back to his life and make cakes.” Then make the god damn cake for her in the first place then..what a mess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltlmnstr 2,771 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 It's my worst fear "we don't serve f@gs" signs all over america Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuphoricVibez 9 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 If he really wants to "get back to his life, and make cakes", he should have just made them in the first place. I'm sure they'd be in an uproar if we refused business for them though He/him/his Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
audrey horne 1,180 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 “Does a business owner have the right to refuse service to an LGBTQ individual or same-sex couple on the basis of faith?” nnnnn Faith kills. What about LGBTQIA protective rights instead of phobic and permissive excuses to harm. And what? Those businesses could have crossed out pink triangles on their doors? That’s fcking terrifying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skaxboy 6,917 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 “...advertising that they would sell birthday cakes to the general public, including LGBT individuals.” They could do all the advertising they want claiming they’re LGBT friendly but I personally would never give this bakery a cent of my gay money. You should be able to buy a cake without bigotry but if this bakery had refused to make a gay wedding cake and had a lawsuit going on, it shouldn’t be surprising for them to refuse and transgender bday cake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitTheBoat 4,077 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 not masterpiece cakeshop again lmao, they never learn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartz 12,762 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 But on the others side of the coin, a business owner can refuse to do some services they're not comfortable with, right? If that happened to me, I think I'm just going to leave an awful review, and take my business elsewhere. Is this really that evil? Inside, we are really made the same. 🕊 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubblegum Bitch 18,934 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 17 minutes ago, Quartz said: But on the others side of the coin, a business owner can refuse to do some services they're not comfortable with, right? If that happened to me, I think I'm just going to leave an awful review, and take my business elsewhere. Is this really that evil? Well, it's true, but is it okay to refuse to do services for people because of their gender, skin color, believes, etc? I am not sure, and there may be hundreds, thousands of bakers who think the same way as this one Christian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspiria 10,683 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 He didn't refuse service to the woman though, he just refused to make a trans pride cake... While I certainly don't agree with his beliefs, I don't see how this is all that different than a liberal refusing to make a MAGA cake, or a pro-life cake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartz 12,762 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Trillion Reasons said: Well, it's true, but is it okay to refuse to do services for people because of their gender, skin color, believes, etc? I am not sure, and there may be hundreds, thousands of bakers who think the same way as this one Christian. I think it's more the idea of transitioning than that of homosexuality this baker had an issue with. He might be OK with gay people but transitioning might have freaked him out because he doesn't have exposure with real people who have gone trough it. I know people have varying degrees of acceptance of others. Maybe the baker wasn't in that space of acceptance yet. I can't say for certain. Of course it's never OK to refuse someone because of a generalization i.e. race, sexuality, religion, etc. But the type of service to be rendered might be more of a gray area especially if the request is against one's moral code. If I were a muslim woman wearing a burqa and my non-muslim client wants to see my face, I can refuse because of my beliefs. In that scenario, it sounds understandable. Isn't it the same case here? Inside, we are really made the same. 🕊 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepsami 20,961 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Sanju said: “Mr. Phillips just wants to get back to his life and make cakes.” Then make the god damn cake for her in the first place then..what a mess but then he'll go to hell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepsami 20,961 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 59 minutes ago, Suspiria said: He didn't refuse service to the woman though, he just refused to make a trans pride cake... While I certainly don't agree with his beliefs, I don't see how this is all that different than a liberal refusing to make a MAGA cake, or a pro-life cake. Agree, they're not very different except that one side is wrong and the other is not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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