StarstruckIllusion 53,565 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Lion Heart said: I swear if Trump appoints some far-right winger to take Ginsburg's seat.. Progressive values will be gone for a generation. I dont even want to think about what types of cases Republicans will send to the Supreme Court so they can get the ruling they want. Progressives are coming to take over smaller races as they always have been, and luckily after Bernie shifted the Overton window, it should be easier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorusRa2 5,005 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, TOSK said: That's what Bernie wants, did you not hear his words today? Bernie can do what he wants and I’ll do what I want. @Franch Toast your post is noted. Feel free to vote for Joe but the important part of my post is that I think there’s a better path forward. I will advocate for that path before voting for Joe. At any rate, let’s talk again when Joe picks kamala harris or klobuchar as his VP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bt1 5,213 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, Economy said: I don't know about that I do think a Centrist to Centre-Left candidate has a better shot of winning than someone as left as Bernie that is too hard for centrists and moderates to swallow But Biden is so unexiting, low energy, no major vision to excite people, has allegations that could work against him etc Pete or Amy could of been better Centrists than Biden for the general race tbh It depends. I like Pete more, but the impact of the religious vote was always gonna be a problem. He also had big problems with non-white voters, because he was new, gay and he received a lot of attacks on black issues. Amy got important too late in the game. She also had problems, but since she was never the front runner, she didnt have to answer for them. She may be the vp. Biden could solve a lot of his problems with a good vp choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 2 hours ago, HorusRa2 said: How can you even talk about kids in cages when Obama and Biden are the reason the cages were there in the first place? Biden’s plan on climate is no better than Trumps no-plan. And all the more reason to stop shaming Bernie voters for not voting for Biden and at least getting them to vote down ballot to save the senate. Maybe that’s more preferable than pissing them off so they either stay home or vote for trump and you lose senate, presidency and maybe even the House. Maybe sometimes people with your POV should compromise instead of demanding conformity from people like me? Obama had children separated from adults. They were in those holding facilities for a very short amount of time. They had medical care, good meals, recreational activities, etc. while the government was looking for relatives to place them with. Biden believes in climate change. He will recommit the US to the Paris Agreement on climate change. He won’t gut the EPA, like Trump is doing. Trump and Biden are miles apart on this issue. We know, you are voting for a third party person. You have every right to do so, but if you are going to keep announcing it as some proud declaration in every thread, people are going to state their opinion on that. If you don’t want opinions on your vote, you could simply keep it to yourself. The only person in that booth is you. Instead, you want to proclaim loudly your vote and the complain when others are “shaming” you for your vote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Lion Heart said: I swear if Trump appoints some far-right winger to take Ginsburg's seat.. Progressive values will be gone for a generation. I dont even want to think about what types of cases Republicans will send to the Supreme Court so they can get the ruling they want. He will, it will be some far right nut that is forty years old at the most. Say goodbye to any progress we made over the last thirty years if this happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 1 hour ago, HorusRa2 said: Neglected in what way. I specifically said southern voters bc black voters aren’t a monolith. Black voters under 50 generally preferred Bernie or was at least competitive. Black voters also varied from state to state with regard to support. Maybe you should stop talking about African Americans as if they’re all the same, all have the same needs, etcs. Biden got sixty five to seventy five per cent of AA support in the states from SC on. They aren’t all the same, but they certainly voted for Biden in overwhelming numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
REALITY 80,166 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Florin said: Bernie didnt have that. That's why Biden won. However Bernie had the young voters. That's true. Bernie had young people, old people, white people, black people (admittedly not as strong as Biden), Latinos, Jews, Asians, men, women, straight people, LGBTQ people, etc. Bernie didn't have a high enough turnout with younger people, which was a major factor in why he lost. Older people actually turned out a little more than usual (which definitely helped Biden). Bernie has the coalition, which is also why he had millions upon millions of dollars from his grassroots supporters. Unfortunately, the turnout was just not there for him and at the end of the day, it doesn't matter how much you personally support a candidate, what matters is that you get out and vote. 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔪𝔬𝔫𝔰𝔱𝔢𝔯 𝔱𝔬𝔯𝔢 𝔞𝔴𝔞𝔶 𝔦𝔱𝔰 𝔪𝔞𝔰𝔨 𝔞𝔫𝔡...𝔦𝔱𝔰 𝔣𝔞𝔠𝔢 𝔴𝔞𝔰 𝔪𝔦𝔫𝔢. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyCampana 279 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 3 hours ago, StarstruckIllusion said: Voter shaming doesn’t work. but yet people do it to us biden supporters... Ally Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 172,545 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 3 hours ago, rojo said: I believe it needs to get worse to get better. I was a Bernie supporter but not his unquestionable follower That's not how society works If it gets worse, it just gets worse. We don't need to go down to go up. People don't need to lose rights like protection from discrimination, healthcare, religion, etc to somehow gain more rights when those are reinstated. Biden (and the establishment/administration he'll build) is the only answer for now. Whimsical bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 172,545 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 3 hours ago, HorusRa2 said: Joe picks kamala harris Please no I can't handle four years of @Morphine Prince posting Kamala memes Whimsical bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 4 hours ago, StarstruckIllusion said: Bc you have to earn votes with a good platform that addresses the major problems of the population. Convince people your platform is the best... and if you look at opinion polls, he failed to do that (thank god). If Joe Biden’s platform is trash, and he doesnt change it, that is only on him. Same w Hillary. Same w John Kerry. For me, Joe Biden doesn't need a platform. He just needs to be better than Trump. A vote for anyone but Joe is a vote for Trump plain and simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenina 15,331 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, PartySick said: Please no I can't handle four years of @Morphine Prince posting Kamala memes That would be the BEST part of the 4 years and you know it cool cool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,683 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, PartySick said: Please no I can't handle four years of @Morphine Prince posting Kamala memes WELL.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 172,545 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, MJHolland said: For me, Joe Biden doesn't need a platform. He just needs to be better than Trump. I agree. I would have killed for Liz or Bernie but we've always known our ultimate goal was to dump Trump Whimsical bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,683 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, MJHolland said: For me, Joe Biden doesn't need a platform. He just needs to be better than Trump. This is precisely why people say Democrats offer them NOTHING. This way of thinking. Meanwhile Trump at least offers them LIES and propaganda. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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