Katy is having a girl!

[Gracious Gaga 17,163]

1 minute ago, Economy said:

Sorry

 

Did I make any sense tho on my opinion essay tho or was it too confusing?

 

I'm always struggling between feeling like I'm not explaining my deep thoughts in enough details and feeling like I'm ranting so much p will get lost and I never know if I write too much, too little, or just right

 

I've been told I often over-explain myself

 

But I find if I don't often my point gets taken out of context or incorrectly to what I meant 

LOL its okay!!! it made sense!! 

my response is to the last part- im also a male, I have a penis, I identify as a man, and I do conform to most ideas of what a "man" looks like, and there nothing wrong with that!!! i think the only problem that few people in here and I have with "gender/sex" reveals is that often when the sex is revealed, a gender is assumed and what comes along with it is the THEME of what a boy/girl is, and that is translated through colors, clothes, haircuts, toys, you get what I mean. and for some children, like me for example, it feels like there is not much room, growing up, to STEP OUT SIDE the box and the "norm" and ultimately the few people here and I want to break ideas of a "norm" and not assign any ideas of a norm to a child at birth..  ugh im sorry I do a terrible job at explaining.

but it is okay if you like what you like.  what's important is not to teach a child what they SHOULD BE LIKE, based on what's in between their legs.  does that make sense??? lol <3 

[Spyro 8,438]

2 minutes ago, Gracious Gaga said:

i think the only problem that few people in here and I have with "gender/sex" reveals is that often when the sex is revealed, a gender is assumed and what comes along with it is the THEME of what a boy/girl is..

That's not a gender reveal party problem tho.  Parents are gonna find out sooner or later if they're having a boy or girl regardless of a party.

[Economy 50,268]

Just now, VenusHooker said:

Those kind of people are ruining everything. How insufferable they are  Now no one can do anything without being offended. 

I do think PC culture is getting a little extra and going a little too SJW mode in certain things now tbh

 

I would hate to be a celebrity in the last 5-10 years. I feel like I'd have to whatch every last sentence I saw like a hawk or else I'd get dragged daily

 

I do think there's a lot of injustices and ignorant thinking to bring awareness of but then there's also just looking for tiny trivial things to scrutinize

 

I have a friend who owns a cleaning business to which I refered another friend and the gay guy who didn't get hired assumed the straight guy who did was favoured cuz the employer was homophobic

 

He assumed homophobia with no evidence and turns out he just like the others resume better and had no idea the other guy was gay (he was almost straight passing tbh)

 

Some ppl actually seem to be actively looking for racism, homophobia or other unjustices and interpreting those situations as that where they don't exist

 

I'm sure the intentions of a just world are good but I think there is also such a thing as being extra

[Gracious Gaga 17,163]

33 minutes ago, Spyro said:

I've never had a child (hehe), but have been at my fair share of gender reveal parties.  I fee like you're looking too much into it.  People are just their to celebrate the life of a new baby.  When my sister had her gender reveal party (the third one overall from my sisters) my mom would always wear a shirt "blue or pink maw maw loves you" to all of them.  So I kinda feel like you're missing the point... people will react to blue or red the same and it's just a way of celebration of human life.

so im sure you've seen at these parties that if the baby is a female, everything is pink and the gifts are all feminine and girly stuff. and if its a boy, its the opposite.  based on the babies genitalia, we assign a THEME pink or blue. trucks or barbies.  see someone like me, I am a male, but I dont like blue I dont like trucks I LIKE BARBIES lol I would've loved THOSE kinds of gifts at my gender reveal party.  but we categorize children and DECIDE FOR THEM what they should align with by giving them GENDERED toys and clothes. rather than leaving it neutral so the kid can grow up and learn that regardless of what's in-between their legs, they can like whatever they wanna like and there is NO IDEA OF "NORMAL" . lol sorry for the caps!!!

I think its fine to have parties for the baby before its born to celebrate its life to be, but the parties should not have a GENDER theme.  

but thats my opinion. the parties are great to celebrate the child and great for the parents cause they get money and gifts lol. 

edit: sorry im thinking of baby showers or parties AFTER the gender has been revealed . Of course, at a reveal party, the presents and theme would hopefully be neutral ahahah but I guess what im saying is nothing should change once the babies sex is revealed and things should STAY neutral. 

[ALGAYDO 32,825]

27 minutes ago, Regina George said:

It was insinuated. And I did read the thread. That discussion is so unnecessary and so inappropriate in this thread. 

Only three members brought up the social construct of it all, and neither of us had bad intentions. Look at our posts. They’re full of joy and excitement. And gender should not be a restricted topic. That’s why so many trans/non-binary feel awkward with identity: because people don’t feel comfortable talking about it. When it should be an open and positive discussion at all times. I love Katy and I’m happy for her, I really don’t know why so many people got pissed off at some other members stating facts while also congratulating Katy? Idk I feel like y’all are purposely being angry just for the sake of it  

[Economy 50,268]

7 minutes ago, Gracious Gaga said:

LOL its okay!!! it made sense!! 

my response is to the last part- im also a male, I have a penis, I identify as a man, and I do conform to most ideas of what a "man" looks like, and there nothing wrong with that!!! i think the only problem that few people in here and I have with "gender/sex" reveals is that often when the sex is revealed, a gender is assumed and what comes along with it is the THEME of what a boy/girl is, and that is translated through colors, clothes, haircuts, toys, you get what I mean. and for some children, like me for example, it feels like there is not much room, growing up, to STEP OUT SIDE the box and the "norm" and ultimately the few people here and I want to break ideas of a "norm" and not assign any ideas of a norm to a child at birth..  ugh im sorry I do a terrible job at explaining.

but it is okay if you like what you like.  what's important is not to teach a child what they SHOULD BE LIKE, based on what's in between their legs.  does that make sense??? lol <3 

Yeah I think I got what ur saying

 

I'm just saying when ur child is born u have to be ready for them. Regardless of whether they are old enough to express themselves or not u need to get them clothes, toys etc

 

So I guess u have 2 options. Either buy unisex and gender neutral stuff on everything, or u can make some assumptions (and be flexible if they turn out to be wrong)

 

The majority of ppl do identify with their sex so I don't think it's an unreasonable assumption to make

 

But again, it's not something I will argue about with ppl either

[Economy 50,268]

3 minutes ago, Gracious Gaga said:

so im sure you've seen at these parties that if the baby is a female, everything is pink and the gifts are all feminine and girly stuff. and if its a boy, its the opposite.  based on the babies genitalia, we assign a THEME pink or blue. trucks or barbies.  see someone like me, I am a male, but I dont like blue I dont like trucks I LIKE BARBIES lol I would've loved THOSE kinds of gifts at my gender reveal party.  but we categorize children and DECIDE FOR THEM what they should align with by giving them GENDERED toys and clothes. rather than leaving it neutral so the kid can grow up and learn that regardless of what's in-between their legs, they can like whatever they wanna like and there is NO IDEA OF "NORMAL" . lol sorry for the caps!!!

I think its fine to have parties for the baby before its born to celebrate its life to be, but the parties should not have a GENDER theme.  

but thats my opinion. the parties are great to celebrate the child and great for the parents cause they get money and gifts lol. 

Totally off topic but did u know pink and blue used to be reversed a long time ago for males and females 

 

 

[Gracious Gaga 17,163]

Just now, Economy said:

Yeah I think I got what ur saying

 

I'm just saying when ur child is born u have to be ready for them. Regardless of whether they are old enough to express themselves or not u need to get them clothes, toys etc

 

So I guess u have 2 options. Either buy unisex and gender neutral stuff on everything, or u can make some assumptions (and be flexible if they turn out to be wrong)

 

The majority of ppl do identify with their sex so I don't think it's an unreasonable assumption to make

 

But again, it's not something I will argue about with ppl either

well, of course you have to be ready for them! haha get them a crib, get them clothes. you are preparing for a new human to be in your life!  Im just the kinda person to would do the gender neutral stuff so the kid grows up feeling they have a greater sense of freedom and no preconceived ideas of what they should like. 

[Squeeshy Keety 9,908]

1 minute ago, Economy said:

A little off topic but do u think this is why some trans feel the need to transition? Because they act the way society expects the other sex to act?

Cuz based on the arugment that sex and gender isn't the same thing and that genitals are just a biological aspect... 

Then why are transitions even relevant or ppl want them?

I think it's important to define "transition" here since that can be adjusting one's life to match the gender they feel (coming out, deciding new pronouns, etc.) or it can be an anatomical process to feel better in their skin because let me tell you both can be pretty big cases for alleviating dysphoria. The first "transition" I mentioned may refer to one's gender expression or interaction with gender roles, and the second obviously concerns a physical mismatch with how they see feel and how they see their body. 

For me, I've gone through a series of these kinds of changes and recently started HRT for reasons not related to my genitals (tmi maybe), and it was a mixture of not seeing myself how I felt and the discomfort that came with how others failed to see me how I saw myself. I even removed my profile pic on this site because of this. While I can acknowledge that gender and sex are separate things, that doesn't mean I'm not sensitive to the social implications of them. I think when you feel excluded you become even more aware of these things. And it can really sting.

An important note is that many trans/nb people don't feel the need to transition either socially or physically, so it isn't inherent to the experience of it. Many don't even experience gender dysphoria. It's all completely dependent on the person, and that really all there is to it. 

[HookerOnAChurch 6,799]

I'm so happy for her!! I'm sure that Gaga is going to have a baby after the (Chromatica era).. So first baby in 2026. 

[Gracious Gaga 17,163]

1 minute ago, Economy said:

Totally off topic but did u know pink and blue used to be reversed a long time ago for males and females 

 

 

wait whaaat???

[Squeeshy Keety 9,908]

I think these say a lot more than I ever could 

 

 

Obviously fairly extreme examples, but they show the ridiculousness I've described in this thread pretty well I think

[Spyro 8,438]

1 minute ago, Gracious Gaga said:

so im sure you've seen at these parties that if the baby is a female, everything is pink and the gifts are all feminine and girly stuff. and if its a boy, its the opposite.  based on the babies genitalia, we assign a THEME pink or blue.

How can that be true if we don't know what the baby is before the party?

People give neutral baby supplies/toys at gender reveal parties.  You don't give those kind of gifts until the child is like 3 or 4...  but like by the time, the toddler is aware enough if he/she likes to play with those toys.  I think you're delving into colors too much about being assigned.  Everything in the world is assigned.. it's the world.  Parents shouldn't take the categorization seriously to heart, and if they do, need to evaluate there lives.  To be frank, a lot of people do this and still love their child later on regardless and just go with the flow.  The people who are dicks about this are just dicks in general.  Nothing you can do to change their close-mindness.    

[Spyro 8,438]

1 minute ago, Squeeshy Keety said:

I think these say a lot more than I ever could 

 

 

Obviously fairly extreme examples, but they show the ridiculousness I've described in this thread pretty well I think

Those are obviously from yee-haw people.. which I mean.. what do you expect?

 

[Gracious Gaga 17,163]

3 minutes ago, Spyro said:

How can that be true if we don't know what the baby is before the party?

People give neutral baby supplies/toys at gender reveal parties.  You don't give those kind of gifts until the child is like 3 or 4...  but like by the time, the toddler is aware enough if he/she likes to play with those toys.  I think you're delving into colors too much about being assigned.  Everything in the world is assigned.. it's the world.  Parents shouldn't take the categorization seriously to heart, and if they do, need to evaluate there lives.  To be frank, a lot of people do this and still love their child later on regardless and just go with the flow.  The people who are dicks about this are just dicks in general.  Nothing you can do to change their close-mindness.    

ahhh yes! sorry im thinking BABY SHOWER where the gender is already revealed!!! my bad!

edit: Of course, at a reveal party, the presents and theme would hopefully be neutral ahahah but I guess what im saying is nothing should change once the babies sex is revealed and things should STAY neutral.