15% of Bernie supporters say they'll vote for Trump

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5 minutes ago, Whispering said:

You aren’t we.

The GOP is united, because they fall in line. They fall in line because of many reasons, the main one being abortion.

If votes have to be earned, then isn’t the mediocre Bernie platform to blame? 

Can you come up with something else other than thinking in “Americans vs. the rest of the world?”

Okay this is why I suggested watching the The Hill’s The Rising bc the male host is a conservative and actually spilled about how unwanted Trump was by Washington GOP members. I’m not an economist, I just listen to them. You keep bringing up cultural issues and it’s just not the full story and not what I’m disagreeing about.

and lastly, I already explained why the votes and opinions don’t match up. Please stop bringing that up, mental manipulation is not something to be proud of. Especially now that you have a candidate worse off than Hillary Clinton was...

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1 hour ago, StarstruckIllusion said:

Not you saying there’s more moderates than progressives under a poll that suggests the opposite... we just went over this. If you wanna spill the real tea, let’s acknowledge the group of independents who are so disgusted with both parties they don’t even vote. That’s a progressive stance.

The 2018 election was about healthcare. Dems who pushed for better healthcare won. This is why M4A has popular support among Dems, and more expensive and criel status quo, doesn’t. 

and idk why you hate TYT but like they were more accurate about the 2016 election. I stan them bc

- they point out MSM’s shortcomings with history, data and explanations

- provide a realistic POV that doesn’t over emphasize culture

- are people powered and know they can be canceled financially if they’re caught as consistent liars - MSM can’t relate

I don’t see the downside. Neoliberal reality has lead to income inequality and social unrest. It’s cancelled. 

The 2018 election was about Trump. The same people that came out in the midterms are coming out for Biden now.

You “standing” TYT tells me everything I need to know.

People powered, lol. Look how Cenk failed miserably in his election bid. 

Moderates won in 2018 and beat your guy. 

Go get involved in some local elections in your country. Make a difference. Watching TYT and commenting on the US like you know the people here isn’t doing anything to change things.

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2 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Different voters want different parts of it, in different ways. His my way or the highway rhetoric style wasn’t appealing. If he had been able to broaden his base and make more people feel comfortable with his policy, they would have voted for him.

Bernie is no FDR.

It really wasn’t, but she had good reason to point out the sexism, just like the women candidates in this election cycle have pointed out.

 

Yeah he should have had better explanations but do you know what’s also unappealing? The pain of not meeting the moment causes. Again, he did broaden his reach, but it’s just so unfair bc neoliberal news sources chose to critique Bernie’s platform and pushed stupid drama like the sexism claim and the heart attack mess. 

Also please stop saying Bernie is no FDR it’s not funny anymore after the 3737th time. Both rose up in times of economic despair. Both pushed for democratic socialist ideas. Both were loved by the people. Both were extremely hated by the rich. This is what I mean by Bernie =  FDR. Joe Biden doesn’t come close.

Also let’s not pretend Hillary didn’t make that “deplorables” comment. She’s always said sexism is why she wasn’t sweeping, when it was mostly her trash voting record. Again, the point was she doesn’t do self reflection. 

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17 minutes ago, Whispering said:

The 2018 election was about Trump. The same people that came out in the midterms are coming out for Biden now.

You “standing” TYT tells me everything I need to know.

People powered, lol. Look how Cenk failed miserably in his election bid. 

Moderates won in 2018 and beat your guy. 

Go get involved in some local elections in your country. Make a difference. Watching TYT and commenting on the US like you know the people here isn’t doing anything to change things.

It was about both but okay. Still not explaining away the opinion polls bc you cant so idk what you’re doing at this point. 

What did watching TYT tell you about me that my posts on politics here haven’t? Not you suddenly acting new now that I’ve attached a name to an ideology that’s way bigger than them. Please this people > policy framing is trash. See how you irrelevantly brought up the fact he lost his election? While his ideas are still mainstream American opinion? This ain’t it.

People power = small dollar donation funding by everyday people btw, not huge viewership.

Also um Bernie was not running 2018... crickets... 

Not you telling me to do stuff as if you even know me. People have their own lives outside of your world. I did vote in my last election, and if I didn’t, notice how that still wouldn’t invalidate anything I said today. You may be American and know Americans anecdotally (as do I 💀), but you’re perception of things is still. so. off. kilter. 

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5 minutes ago, StarstruckIllusion said:

Yeah he should have had better explanations but do you know what’s also unappealing? The pain of not meeting the moment causes. Again, he did broaden his reach, but it’s just so unfair bc neoliberal news sources chose to critique Bernie’s platform and pushed stupid drama like the sexism claim and the heart attack mess. 

Also please stop saying Bernie is no FDR it’s not funny anymore after the 3737th time. Both rose up in times of economic despair. Both pushed for democratic socialist ideas. Both were loved by the people. Both were extremely hated by the rich. This is what I mean by Bernie =  FDR. Joe Biden doesn’t come close.

Also let’s not pretend Hillary didn’t make that “deplorables” comment. She’s always said sexism is why she wasn’t sweeping, when it was mostly her trash voting record. Again, the point was she doesn’t do self reflection. 

Stop with the “unfair” mess. If it bleeds, it leads. Hillary had a cough, and you would have thought she was dying at any moment. After her fainting spell, there was around the clock coverage for days! Bernie’s heart attack was handled with kid gloves and sympathy. Hillary had pneumonia, Bernie had a heart attack. The coverage for Hillary’s illness was a hundred fold over Bernie’s very real and legitimate health concern.

Bernie isn’t President. He is no FDR. The people didn’t love him enough to come out and even vote him to be the nominee. Rich people hate Warren, too. That doesn’t make her FDR, either.

She did make that deplorables comment, and she was right. She had self reflection in her book, if you had read it, or watched some of her complete interviews. TYT isn’t going to tell you that. 

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5 hours ago, HybridAT said:

I talked about ideological coalition, not a racial coalition. Pete's coalition was ideologically pretty balanced. It wasn't diverse enough because minority voters and the broader electorate didn't know him enough and he hadn't run for president before and wasn't a senator or VP etc. But he did drop out when he saw no path to the nomination and gained the goodwill of voters to put party and country over his own ego unlike ahem, Bernie.  

It's a fact that nobody except Biden had the diverse winning coalition. SC, Michigan, Florida, Mississippi etc. proved that.

It's sad that you and others who consistently accused him of speaking in "platitudes" (whatever the hell that means in a political context) lacked nuance to understand simple, basic political statements. Tsk tsk  

Hope you're enjoying losing the primary as you played your part to continue to alienate other Democrats who supported other candidates. Stay pressed and seethe because Bernie lost his last chance to become the President as the "revolution" never materialized in the numbers he needed while Pete will be a true force for the next many decades to come as his name recognition improves and he quite possibly gets a cabinet position in a Biden administration  #FeelTheBern 

I knew exactly what you were talking about, I just thought it was hilarious that you’re puffing Pete up when he lost because he couldn’t appeal to POC.

It’s also hard to gain the support of people when you blatantly lie about getting their support and just shrug your shoulders when you get caught 

Expanding his political coalition and failing to win the popular vote of the first three primaries, what an achievement 

Bernie is staying in the race so that he can influence Biden to accept some progressive policies, which has already worked.

Spoiler

 

Ahead of 11th Democratic debate of the 2020 primary, former Vice President Joe Biden is adopting two new policy proposals, extending an olive branch to supporters of more progressive candidates like Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren as he inches closer to securing the Democratic nomination.

On a call with reporters Sunday afternoon, senior advisers to Biden announced the former vice president now supports making public colleges and universities tuition-free for students whose families earn less than $125,000 a year. That proposal comes from a bill Sen. Sanders originally introduced in 2017 called the College-for-All act, and is a notable addition to Biden’s current higher education policy, which would make community colleges free for two years, regardless of income.

"Bernie has put forward a plan that would make public colleges and universities free for families whose income is below $125,000. It's a good idea, and after consideration, I am proud to add it to my platform,” Biden tweeted Sunday.

Biden also announced his endorsement of Elizabeth Warren’s bankruptcy plan, which would largely undo a 2005 law the two famously sparred over in the past.

During a virtual town hall with Illinois voters on Friday night, Biden revealed his endorsement while answering a question from a participant about actions he would take to appeal to supporters of his current rival Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, should he win the Democratic nomination.

"One of the things that I think Bernie and I agree on ... I've endorsed Elizabeth Warren's bankruptcy proposal, which in fact goes further, allows for student debt to be released in bankruptcy, [and] provides for a whole range of other issues that allows us to in fact impact on how people are dealing with their circumstances," Biden said. "So there's a whole range of things we agree on."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/unexpected-shift-events-biden-endorses-warrens-bankruptcy-plan/story?id=69599659

How can you chastise and condescend others when you can’t even understand basic political calculations and strategies? A concept 

I hope you’ve enjoyed supporting a fraud that had to lie and use cheap gimmicks to get ahead of his rivals and still lost. Meanwhile Bernie was able to pull the party further to the left than it had been in more than 40 years and bring issues like major healthcare reform, money in politics and raising the minimum wage to the forefront. Only someone that was tone deaf and ignorant would try to shade that kind of progress.

Also you’re trying to say how I’m alienating Democrats while you’re here voter shaming people because they’re not voting how you want them to. I always knew you were a hypocrite but imagine contradicting yourself in a matter of hours 

But again what can you expect from a Buttigieg stan 

 

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Just now, Whispering said:

Stop with the “unfair” mess. If it bleeds, it leads. Hillary had a cough, and you would have thought she was dying at any moment. After her fainting spell, there was around the clock coverage for days! Bernie’s heart attack was handled with kid gloves and sympathy. Hillary had pneumonia, Bernie had a heart attack. The coverage for Hillary’s illness was a hundred fold over Bernie’s very real and legitimate health concern.

Bernie isn’t President. He is no FDR. The people didn’t love him enough to come out and even vote him to be the nominee. Rich people hate Warren, too. That doesn’t make her FDR, either.

She did make that deplorables comment, and she was right. She had self reflection in her book, if you had read it, or watched some of her complete interviews. TYT isn’t going to tell you that. 

“If it bleeds it leads” is toxic and harmful practice and needs to die. Absolutely notttt at you bringing it up 

Both were unfair. When media attacks candidate’s health despite multiple doctors letters saying they were fine, that’s what I can’t stand. Bernie’s heart attack was handled with clown gloves bc Doctors said he was healthy post heart attack before the whole media mess in early 2020. Don’t only acknowledge it when it benefits “moderates.”

The only kid’s glove I see hear is not being allowed to talk about Biden’s clear mental decline while he’s vying for a position that requires a strong mind, and something Trump won’t ignore 

Omg nobody said Bernie was the president... already explained why this people > policy framing doesn’t work in the post you didn’t reply to yet tho. 

Also I don’t know what’s not clicking when I said people voted against their hearts. Warren is also FDR-like too in her polices... I think? She folded on the most important DSA policy so I can’t tell what she stands for as of today 💀

And okay, you mind summarizing it then, as I have TYT (again literally 1/5 progressive sources I watch so like okay fixation I guess) ideals for you? Bc all I ever heard from them, and neoliberal sources was “sexism and bernie bros.” Can we stop talking about Hillary’s reasons? It’s like I brought up 1 + 3 = 4, and you’re out here commenting on how the 3 looks like a cat smile. 

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14 minutes ago, Marilyn MonHoe said:

I knew exactly what you were talking about, I just thought it was hilarious that you’re puffing Pete up when he lost because he couldn’t appeal to POC.

It’s also hard to gain the support of people when you blatantly lie about getting their support and just shrug your shoulders when you get caught 

Expanding his political coalition and failing to win the popular vote of the first three primaries, what an achievement 

Bernie is staying in the race so that he can influence Biden to accept some progressive policies, which has already worked.

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Ahead of 11th Democratic debate of the 2020 primary, former Vice President Joe Biden is adopting two new policy proposals, extending an olive branch to supporters of more progressive candidates like Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren as he inches closer to securing the Democratic nomination.

On a call with reporters Sunday afternoon, senior advisers to Biden announced the former vice president now supports making public colleges and universities tuition-free for students whose families earn less than $125,000 a year. That proposal comes from a bill Sen. Sanders originally introduced in 2017 called the College-for-All act, and is a notable addition to Biden’s current higher education policy, which would make community colleges free for two years, regardless of income.

"Bernie has put forward a plan that would make public colleges and universities free for families whose income is below $125,000. It's a good idea, and after consideration, I am proud to add it to my platform,” Biden tweeted Sunday.

Biden also announced his endorsement of Elizabeth Warren’s bankruptcy plan, which would largely undo a 2005 law the two famously sparred over in the past.

During a virtual town hall with Illinois voters on Friday night, Biden revealed his endorsement while answering a question from a participant about actions he would take to appeal to supporters of his current rival Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, should he win the Democratic nomination.

"One of the things that I think Bernie and I agree on ... I've endorsed Elizabeth Warren's bankruptcy proposal, which in fact goes further, allows for student debt to be released in bankruptcy, [and] provides for a whole range of other issues that allows us to in fact impact on how people are dealing with their circumstances," Biden said. "So there's a whole range of things we agree on."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/unexpected-shift-events-biden-endorses-warrens-bankruptcy-plan/story?id=69599659

How can you chastise and condescend others when you can’t even understand basic political calculations and strategies? A concept 

I hope you’ve enjoyed supporting a fraud that had to lie and use cheap gimmicks to get ahead of his rivals and still lost. Meanwhile Bernie was able to pull the party further to the left than it had been in more than 40 years and bring issues like major healthcare reform, money in politics and raising the minimum wage to the forefront. Only someone that was tone deaf and ignorant would try to shade that kind of progress.

Also you’re trying to say how I’m alienating Democrats while you’re here voter shaming people because they’re not voting how you want them to. I always knew you were a hypocrite but imagine contradicting yourself in a matter of hours 

But again what can you expect from a Buttigieg stan 

 

Aww look at you trying to act all cute and smart when YOU have always been the one to use personal insults first (not my first encounter with you) to shame Buttigieg and his supporters. I also saw you roaming around in Warren threads calling her a snake etc. Archetypal toxic Bernie Bro.

The only reason Pete didn't win this time was because enough voters didn't know the mayor of fourth largest town of Indiana and chose an ex-VP and a two-time presidential candidate over him. Yet he still managed to change the perception about LGBTQ+ candidates in national politics, became the first openly gay candidate to win a presidential primary state and secure delegates AND amassed over 1M donors and 2M+ donations in less than a year. But you probably won't understand that because you're too busy hating him and the progress he made. You also really don't have to minimize the progress of other candidates to validate the progress made by your own. A concept probably too hard for you to understand  

I've always credited Bernie for his ideas and have always commended him for shifting the Overton window. Check my posts. As I said earlier, great ideas, terrible politics. He just didn't know how to expand his support beyond  I just don't agree with his politics because I don't believe he can achieve his goals and his campaign's and his supporters' rhetoric didn't ever help him either and made his movement more toxic and alienating as time passed. 

And there's literally other Bernie supporters in this same thread that are chastising those 15% and rejecting them for not being part of their movement because it's common sense that if they believe in progressive policies they shouldn't be voting for Trump and aren't in it for the right reasons. But you feel okay with that and are quick to point me out and conflate that with "voter shaming". Maybe you're a cosplay socialist too after all, not that I care in the least  

How are the rat and snake emojis working for you again mr. another-leftist-keyboard-warrior-who-excels-at-coalition-building? Cry more please, I think you're coping reaaally well with Bernie losing the primary. Keep it up.  

But again, what do you expect from a toxic Bernie stan (except oodles of delusion, hypocrisy and gaslighting)?  

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1 hour ago, StarstruckIllusion said:

Imagine being so priveleged that you have the option of picking your feelings, over the climate crisis that will doom our future generations, student debt that is crushing a generation and delaying families, and medicare for all that doesn’t leave 68k+ dying bc of a broken and inhumane healthcare system.

Good job “democratic” Biden Bros. 

Obviously flew right over our head. With Trump or Any member of the GOP that considers themselves conservative- nothing happens to the climate crisis. In fact, it goes backwards. Nothing happens for the dis-enfranchised, in fact, as we have seen, things get reversed. The longer they are in power, the more reversed any progress becomes. What you are failing to realize, as so many of you are- is that when someone more progressive comes into power, things start to progress, they start to move forward. The disenfranchised become United. When Bush's tenure was finaly over, The Dems had a great person to follow. Bernie is not finding the same sucess. He isn't inspiring a revolution, and the progressives are becoming more and more separated. NOw, the priveleged progressives who don't see as much damage, with a conservative president, will be fine with Trump getting elected for another 4 years. THey will be fine with another strong conservative getting elected after that. THey don't care about the disenfranchised, because it doesn't effect them. Instead, they will pitch a fit, get trump elected, and their lives will go on, with no real issues for them. Again, good job not thinking outside of your own world. 

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I just don’t understand because Trump and Bernie couldn’t be more different, what are Bernie lovers seeing in Trump? I am confusion!! 

Edit: I am a Bernie lover as well, but wtf???

[StarstruckIllusion 53,565]

2 minutes ago, NCgaga said:

Obviously flew right over our head. With Trump or Any member of the GOP that considers themselves conservative- nothing happens to the climate crisis. In fact, it goes backwards. Nothing happens for the dis-enfranchised, in fact, as we have seen, things get reversed. The longer they are in power, the more reversed any progress becomes. What you are failing to realize, as so many of you are- is that when someone more progressive comes into power, things start to progress, they start to move forward. The disenfranchised become United. When Bush's tenure was finaly over, The Dems had a great person to follow. Bernie is not finding the same sucess. He isn't inspiring a revolution, and the progressives are becoming more and more separated. NOw, the priveleged progressives who don't see as much damage, with a conservative president, will be fine with Trump getting elected for another 4 years. THey will be fine with another strong conservative getting elected after that. THey don't care about the disenfranchised, because it doesn't effect them. Instead, they will pitch a fit, get trump elected, and their lives will go on, with no real issues for them. Again, good job not thinking outside of your own world. 

Not true when his fresh policies are the most popular among Democrats. Just bc boomers out-voted the revolution, doesn’t mean it’s not coming. Look at the generational splits in democratic opinion please. You’ll notice neoliberalism is a dying. 

And oh wow at this complete misrepresentation of the progressive POV. Trump and Biden have more in common than not. Maybe read the thread bc your understanding of the right Sanders platform clearly doesn’t exist.

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Centrists seem more passionate about defeating progressive candidates than they are about beating Trump sometimes. 

Probably cause the GOP makes them look better and progressive, meanwhile actual leftists show how flawed and mediocre their policies actually are. 

Edit: A Buttigieg stan “LMAO” ‘d this which proves me right. He was the epitome of mediocre. 

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9 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Centrists seem more passionate about defeating progressive candidates than they are about beating Trump sometimes. 

Probably cause the GOP makes them look better and progressive, meanwhile actual leftists show how flawed and mediocre their policies actually are. 

Let's use better labels for this context: Bernie and non-Bernie supporters, since ideological lines on the left are clearly not as well defined as you think they are. The whole primary has anyway  been about the Bernie vs. a Bernie alternative race. Plus, there are progressives who support candidates not named Bernie and centrists who support Bernie.

And non-Bernie supporters could literally use the same argument and say that Bernie supporters are more interested in defeating non-Bernie supporters than they are interested in defeating Trump, since the OP is about those 15% who would support Trump over Biden in a GE, in case you forgot.

Bernie isn't "great" either sweetie, or he'd be the president in 2016, oh wait, nominee in 2016... (Ehh fast forward 4 years) nominee in 2020.

Oh, that never happened. Did it?

 

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14 minutes ago, ItWasntLaauv said:

I just don’t understand because Trump and Bernie couldn’t be more different, what are Bernie lovers seeing in Trump? I am confusion!! 

Edit: I am a Bernie lover as well, but wtf???

I give great insight in my replies

3 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Centrists seem more passionate about defeating progressive candidates than they are about beating Trump sometimes. 

Probably cause the GOP makes them look better and progressive, meanwhile actual leftists show how flawed and mediocre their policies actually are. 

This 1000x this! Mrs. Cuomo being sick and not having the ability to bring progressives on his show... truly a tragedy.

Some peolle aren't here to learn, they’re just here to meltdown...

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2 minutes ago, HybridAT said:

Let's use better labels for this context: Bernie and non-Bernie supporters

The labels I used were correct. This is not what I’m talking about.