Lady Gaga cites Madonna as influence

[Rio 5,088]

39 minutes ago, billygrey said:

Ok guys. Chill. No fighting. 

I get what you are saying. Which is understandable. Of course when your idol is being attacked at any point. You have this urge to defend and protect them. Since you love them. Thats a given. 

Anyways, just chill on the comment section. Love you guys. Hugs.  

Everyone’s coming for me, I was just being honest. I love Madonna’s music, always been wary of her character, as are several in the music industry. The people replying are being pretty volatile and dismissive, so I ain’t replying anymore. Apparently Madonna is more complimenting towards Gaga than Gaga is to her, and Gaga is “horrible”. Not even going to attempt responding to that 😂😂😂🤦🏼‍♂️

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7 minutes ago, Rio said:

Ngl but I’m positive madonna stans are worse. Every fanbase has their rude stans, but Madonna fans are notorious for shitting on Gaga on a much more disgusting level. Patrick Creamuns, for example? You won’t catch Madonna hate on this site(can’t say I’ve seen any), but you’ll certainly find threads of Gaga hate on Madonnanation. Our fave preaches positivity and online kindness, Madonna encouraged negativity back in 2011 and her fans have been awful ever since. 
Ain’t talking about success. Gaga has her own throne at this point, especially after the past two years, she’s doing great in her own lane.

Oh yes the good old Madonnanation

Madonnanation are toxic people, not Madonna stans

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34 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Gaga has said HORRIBLE things about Madonna multiple times,

What did gaga say that was so horrible about Madonna?

34 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Madonna only made one comment about BTW and inserted a cheeky reference to the drama in her tour,

Y’all have just invented an alternative history is the problem.

She told some media about which part of the song she found very similar at first...Then made a shady comment on TV... After that she decided to have this mash up on her tour to say "look she copied me" again....She followed by including an other song in this mash up about a girl who copy her all the time and dream to be her but will never be good enough for that.... And finally she came back a few years later to call it a blatant rip off in the press.

It's not a one-time thing that people "completed" in their head with other stuffs lol. 

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1 hour ago, Rio said:

Madonna fans will never understand Gaga’s humble attitude. I don't think she’s ever hated on Madonna. Gaga’s always cited her as an influence & been nice about her. When other artists do it, the Madonna fans applaud it. But Madonna has ridiculed Gaga many times in the past, her fans think that kind of media bullying/shade is OK, allowed and warranted. It didn’t help. Her and Gaga are very different creatures and the colours speak for themselves, and that is why Gaga has a lot more friends in showbiz and is becoming more respected across the board by music legends and winning respectable acclaim, from institutions like the Academy. It doesn’t get better than being Elton’s kid’s godparent, singing jazz standards with a national treasure, or dining with Barbra Streisand. One minute Madge is shading her, singing mashups of BTW or trying to forcibly assert her own influence in what Gaga does (Born This Way/Express Yourself, reductive, “hundred people in a room”), next she’s trying to get a picture with Gaga’s Oscar. Cher’s seen through Madonna for decades now. I hope they’re fine now & you may think I’m being negative, but don’t be surprised if Madonna comes out with something rude or shadey in the future for a publicity stunt. Never really liked her character, but her music is beyond legendary and I won practically every album on disc

TRUTH.

I have followed this Madonna feud for years now, and this is what I noticed as well. Couldn't have said it better myself. 

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50 minutes ago, Guillaume Hamon said:

What did gaga say that was so horrible about Madonna?

1. That Madonna "has no soul"
2. That Madonna doesn't support upcoming artists (100% untrue)
3. That Madonna copped out by not saying she "doesn't like her" (?) to her face
4. That Madonna is a control freak who can't let go on stage
5. That Madonna can't play any instruments and is therefore not a true songwriter

I mean, how does that compare to Madge saying one song which half the world already believed was a Madonna rip-off sounded too similar to one of her own?

Meanwhile, Madonna has said the following things about Gaga:

1. That she's "very talented"
2. That she "admires" Gaga ever since she saw her perform in a local bar in New York
3. That Gaga "references" Madonna in a "well done" and "flattering" way
4. That Gaga is her own artist and does not copy Madonna's act
5. That she invited Gaga to perform with her on her own solo tour

52 minutes ago, Guillaume Hamon said:

She told some media about which part of the song she found very similar at first...

Lie.

53 minutes ago, Guillaume Hamon said:

Then made a shady comment on TV...

Which was edited to make her sound like a bitch while, when you watch the full interview, Madonna clearly says she does not think that Gaga copies her act because they're two entirely different artists. It's only when that interviewer keeps pushing on and asks her directly about BTW that she says anything.

53 minutes ago, Guillaume Hamon said:

She followed by including an other song in this mash up about a girl who copy her all the time and dream to be her but will never be good enough for that....

That part of her show is literally about being a materialistic selfish c-nt. If anyone took the time to understand the story she was trying to tell in that show, it would've never blown up. Madge probably enjoys confusing people that way but she did say multiple times throughout that tour that she "loves" Lady Gaga and had invited her to perform that number (knowing Madonna, she would probably have had Gaga sing the "she's not me" lines), which Gaga declined.

Y'all are just not getting it.

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3 hours ago, nerdfacekillah said:

glad they are fine with each other now. this photo is iconic

I wonder how the users at Madonnation reacted when Madonna uploaded this on her Instagram. 

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14 minutes ago, Didymus said:

1. That Madonna "has no soul"
2. That Madonna doesn't support upcoming artists (100% untrue)
3. That Madonna copped out by not saying she "doesn't like her" (?) to her face
4. That Madonna is a control freak who can't let go on stage
5. That Madonna can't play any instruments and is therefore not a true songwriter

I want the receipts. I'll believe only if you show me where Gaga said this

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20 minutes ago, Animal Claws said:

I want the receipts. I'll believe only if you show me where Gaga said this

The first two are from her 2014 interview to People Greece. The interviewer asked her who her influences were and the conversation went as follows (translated into English):

PEOPLE: Who are your musical influences?

Lady Gaga: David Bowie, Queen, Freddie Mercury and Michael Jackson. I would like to say Madonna, but let me tell you something… if I was an acclaimed artist, I would love to help new artists.

PEOPLE: What do you mean, that Madonna has no soul?

Lady Gaga: You said it, not me!

So that's clearly affirmative. Notice how Gaga dissed her completely out of the blue without even being asked about her.

This interview was widely reported across pop forums, incl. GGD. Notice that the majority of the reactions are negative towards Gaga.

The third one is included in Five Foot Two. You should've watched that, so I'm not gonna bother trying to find a video.

The last two are from her Zane Lowe interview in 2016. Again: this incident was widely reported across pop forums, incl. GGD, and, additionally, it was widely reported in international media as well, who pointed out the obvious: Gaga was insulting Madonna once again Gaga made no effort to correct her statements. Here's the relevant part of the interview:

ZANE: There is another artist who has lived a very parallel existence. Based on this story, which I'm sure you can relate to. You know Madonna tells a very similar story... overprotective father... 'Papa Don't Preach.' You know what I mean.

GAGA: Madonna and I are very different. I wouldn't make that comparison at all. I don't mean to disrespect Madonna... she's a nice lady. And she's had a fantastic, huge career. She's the biggest pop star of all time. But I play a lot of instruments. I write all my own music. I spend hours and hours a day in the studio. I'm a producer. I'm a writer. What I do is different. There is spontaneity to my work. I allow myself to fail. I allow myself to break. I’m not afraid of my flaws.

LMs tried to spin this into a "but Gaga didn't mean that Madonna doesn't play instruments" argument but from her "What I do is different. There is spontaneity to my work" etc. rhetoric, it's very clear that's not what Gaga's saying, as she's obviously referring to Madge's infamous control freak character on stage.

Notice again how Gaga just randomly starts dissing Madge when Zane was just asking her about a biographical parallel.

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5 hours ago, Didymus said:

Meanwhile, Madonna has said the following things about Gaga:

1. That she's "very talented"
2. That she "admires" Gaga ever since she saw her perform in a local bar in New York
3. That Gaga "references" Madonna in a "well done" and "flattering" way
4. That Gaga is her own artist and does not copy Madonna's act
5. That she invited Gaga to perform with her on her own solo tour

But Gaga also said positive things about M 2000 times in itws. I knew that already and it doesn't erase the shadiness of any of both that they also complimented each other many times lol.

5 hours ago, Didymus said:

1. That Madonna "has no soul"
2. That Madonna doesn't support upcoming artists (100% untrue)
3. That Madonna copped out by not saying she "doesn't like her" (?) to her face
4. That Madonna is a control freak who can't let go on stage
5. That Madonna can't play any instruments and is therefore not a true songwriter

It's shady indeed but all that came after gaga felt attacked by M. She didn't do it just for the sake of it. She did it cause she considered M has been shutting her down in public before all that therefore starting the hostilities.

PS: You exaggerate quite a bit for the last point.

Saying that she's not like M and adding"I plays a lot of instruments" doesn't mean M "doesn't play any", it means M doesn't play "a lot of instruments". You could call it shady already to place yourself as someone who's a multi-instrumentalist unlike someone else but it's not saying M "can't play any".

Also adding she's different from M cause she "writes all (her) OWN music" means she considers she writes more of her music than M does with hers. Again you can call the comparison shady in itself but it's not saying that M doesn't write any of her songs or "isn't a songwriter".

5 hours ago, Didymus said:

LMs tried to spin this into a "but Gaga didn't mean that Madonna doesn't play instruments" argument but from her "What I do is different. There is spontaneity to my work" etc. rhetoric, it's very clear that's not what Gaga's saying, as she's obviously referring to Madge's infamous control freak character on stage.

They don't spin it, they simply say what her words mean without assumptions. Gaga shading M spontaneity in the same itw doesn't mean she implied M did not play any instruments. It's just an assumption you make.

Apparently she had no issues being clear about the spontaneity dig so if she wanted to bash her musician skills the same way she probably would have been doing it in the same breath.

6 hours ago, Didymus said:

Lie.

My bad her saying that was in the same itw where the "reductive" comment came out but it's not a "lie". She did publicly talk about what in BTW she found similar to her own song:

"I mean, I recognized the chord changes," Madonna said about "Born This Way" in a 2012 interview with ABC News. " 
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2018/12/04/madonna-reignites-feud-lady-gaga-calling-her-out-instagram/2200864002/

It was a way to confirm she thought it was taking from her song indeed when the world was already blasting gaga over the song similarities since a long time. 

Also this M song has been compared to "respect yourself" by the staple singers by Rolling Stones magazine already so if anything M should have been dismissing the gaga-blasting based on similarities to her song instead of validating it like that.

Cause when you check the staple singers song and express yourself it has a similar melody and lyrical structure for one part of the chorus, it's basically more similar than a "chord changes" so confirming she felt copied of a song she could be just as guilty of copying was ironic and pretty low. Mainly since she largely escaped a polemic with her song herself and knew she would relaunch the nasty one gaga had with BTW.

5 hours ago, Didymus said:

That part of her show is literally about being a materialistic selfish c-nt. If anyone took the time to understand the story she was trying to tell in that show, it would've never blown up.

She could have been doing this act without including gaga in it knowing ( again) it would relaunch the polemic that did hurt gaga a lot at the time no? Cause yeah many people had already shaded gaga over it but letting it die down peacefully would have been helpful for sure.

And when she was shady in itw she was still playing her tour nasty act as well?  Cause if it was only about the tour it could be an act but it wasn't.

Talking about this itw:

5 hours ago, Didymus said:

Which was edited to make her sound like a bitch while, when you watch the full interview, Madonna clearly says she does not think that Gaga copies her act because they're two entirely different artists. It's only when that interviewer keeps pushing on and asks her directly about BTW that she says anything.

I did watch the full itw back then and M knows very well she's sounding shady when she says gaga's song is reductive lol... She's clearly doing it on purpose so it's not about the editing making it shady. I mean the way she raise her cup and tell the journalist to go look if "reductive" is positive when he ask then pose and smile etc...

Her saying positive things about gaga as well doesn't change the fact this moment was shady lmao, even after watching the full itw as you recommend it still is clear as hell.

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13 hours ago, nerdfacekillah said:

glad they are fine with each other now. this photo is iconic

this pic always makes me tear up.. 

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she cites many legends as her influence

but doesnt mean she cant be original. she's more theatrical musician, why she didn't cites her persona as her music influence rather than clinging to every legends

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11 hours ago, Didymus said:

1. That Madonna "has no soul"
2. That Madonna doesn't support upcoming artists (100% untrue)
3. That Madonna copped out by not saying she "doesn't like her" (?) to her face
4. That Madonna is a control freak who can't let go on stage
5. That Madonna can't play any instruments and is therefore not a true songwriter

I mean, how does that compare to Madge saying one song which half the world already believed was a Madonna rip-off sounded too similar to one of her own?

Meanwhile, Madonna has said the following things about Gaga:

1. That she's "very talented"
2. That she "admires" Gaga ever since she saw her perform in a local bar in New York
3. That Gaga "references" Madonna in a "well done" and "flattering" way
4. That Gaga is her own artist and does not copy Madonna's act
5. That she invited Gaga to perform with her on her own solo tour

Lie.

Which was edited to make her sound like a bitch while, when you watch the full interview, Madonna clearly says she does not think that Gaga copies her act because they're two entirely different artists. It's only when that interviewer keeps pushing on and asks her directly about BTW that she says anything.

That part of her show is literally about being a materialistic selfish c-nt. If anyone took the time to understand the story she was trying to tell in that show, it would've never blown up. Madge probably enjoys confusing people that way but she did say multiple times throughout that tour that she "loves" Lady Gaga and had invited her to perform that number (knowing Madonna, she would probably have had Gaga sing the "she's not me" lines), which Gaga declined.

Y'all are just not getting it.

She enjoys confusing people? Nah, she enjoys being a little arrogant bitch.

What she said during her show at 2:20 in this video here was very clear to me.

"Imitation is the highest form of flattery." - Madonna

Plus, really? That She's Not Me nonsense during the entire MDNA tour? Get out of here Madonna doesn't have half the musical talent Gaga has.