WhiteWitch 720 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Bio said: So a McDonald's tv ad can be considered art? lol. A Trump speech can be considered art? Both are made in a creative process and you can argue that both transcend the ages. Are those art? I would argue that they are. That doesn’t mean it’s something I would necessarily enjoy, though McDonalds has had some fire commercials. Back to music though, these are the exact criticisms that artists such as Elvis, Bowie, the Beatles, MJ, and Queen have faced. I would consider all of their music art. All “Pop” means is popular music, and music is a form of art by definition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runway 27,876 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, LGs LM said: I mean, who are you to say that? Some pop artists write and produce their own music. They pour their heart and soul into what they're making. Sure, they release songs because it's their job and it's what pays the bills, but that doesn't mean they're not passionate about it. "Pop music is made focusing on sales, advertisement and chart positions. It is a product and It is not and never will be art." If you go by this logic, does that mean that artists shouldn't be paid? You sound like one of those music snobs who only think classical music is art. beethoven only played for rich people back then so I guess he is not an artist, he was a business man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danjajr 619 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Bio said: The first mistake you made is thinking pop music is art. Pop music is made focusing on sales, advertisement and chart positions. It is a product and It is not and never will be art. Pop music is still music and music is a form of art, whatever the purposes are. Stop being pretentious! You know what a product is? Ugly shades you have on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bio 23,538 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, LGs LM said: I mean, who are you to say that? Some pop artists write and produce their own music. They pour their heart and soul into what they're making. Sure, they release songs because it's their job and it's what pays the bills, but that doesn't mean they're not passionate about it. "Pop music is made focusing on sales, advertisement and chart positions. It is a product and It is not and never will be art." If you go by this logic, does that mean that artists shouldn't be paid? You sound like one of those music snobs who only think classical music is art. Being passionate about something doesn’t mean that something is art. Someone can be passionate about data processing, doesn’t mean they’re artists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWitch 720 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 art 1. the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power. 2. the various branches of creative activity, such as painting, music, literature, and dance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bio 23,538 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Danjajr said: Pop music is still music and music is a form of art, whatever the purposes are. Stop being pretentious! You know what a product is? Ugly shades you have on You seem very attacked lol. Did someone hurt you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bio 23,538 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Just now, WhiteWitch said: art 1. the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power. 2. the various branches of creative activity, such as painting, music, literature, and dance. Are you really gonna come here with a dictionary definition of art lol? That view y’all have that anything could be art is very romantic and very school-like. No, not everything is art. No, a McDonalds commercial is not art. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheybannedTheGerm 508 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Bio said: The first mistake you made is thinking pop music is art. Pop music is made focusing on sales, advertisement and chart positions. It is a product and It is not and never will be art. who hurt you ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWitch 720 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 I think if you take it back to the definition, than the answer is clear. Now if you are to say Pop Music isn’t a form of high art, which is a different discussion.... I wouldn’t necessarily disagree or agree because even that is vague. Painting this argument with too broad of a stroke is a bad idea because it’s easy to defeat such an argument. Now if we said “Stupid Love is not a form of high art” I’d agree, but that doesn’t mean it’s not art in general either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeka 12,372 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, Bio said: So a McDonald's tv ad can be considered art? lol. A Trump speech can be considered art? Both are made in a creative process and you can argue that both transcend the ages. Are those art? Not paticuarly. But some ads can be art. I decided to use this instead of going right to the FAME commercial. Anything can be art. As long as it has the right intentions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daylight Jokers 14,958 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Bio said: Are you really gonna come here with a dictionary definition of art lol? And your definition of art is more accurate because? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ARTPOPSlays Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Bio said: The first mistake you made is thinking pop music is art. Pop music is made focusing on sales, advertisement and chart positions. It is a product and It is not and never will be art. I beg to differ 💁🏼♂️especially when it comes to Gaga. What you just stated was exactly the opposite of who Gaga is as an artist. And I understand where your coming from totally, but it depends who we’re talking about. And my post wasn’t only geared towards pop music. I just meant art in general along with music artists Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danjajr 619 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Bio said: Are you really gonna come here with a dictionary definition of art lol? That view y’all have that anything could be art is very romantic and very school-like. No, not everything is art. No, a McDonalds commercial is not art. Lol r u trying to change what art is? You are a true visionary wow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ARTPOPSlays Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 hour ago, CautiousLurker said: I think it's kind of unspoken that when people say 'this should have happened', the implication is that if there was an alternate reality where they had some say, the outcome would have been different - I don't think people actually mean that a person or group of people were absolutely obligated to do something differently, rather they point out where something is lacking, at least in their view, and that's fine... But yeah, what's done is done - doesn't mean you can't hate it, or love it even, and express it... I do wish that people would be more aware of when something is their personal opinion vs objective judgement which I do think can be done to art... to an extent... but you'd need actual expertise which most people on here don't have... but they pass judgement anyway I partly agree. Some people are more so in the alternate reality they think soemthing should have happened, and some people are like this had to happen but she ruined it! Lol. But i don’t even think art requires any type of expertise, I guess it depends what we’re talking about Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bio 23,538 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, Runway said: beethoven only played for rich people back then so I guess he is not an artist, he was a business man Beethoven was a revolutionary, even thought he played for the nobles, he always defied them and his music defied them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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