Guest ARTPOPSlays Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 I really felt the need to create this topic. I see all over this website and everywhere else people judging art, and saying how it “should be”. Or how it needs to be refined or look a certain way. But art is art. There is no standard to how art should look, art is whatever comes out of the artist and that’s how it’s meant to be. Not having a team change everything up and make it how they think it should look vs how the artist intended it to be. Can you have an opinion on someones art? Of course! And constructive critisism is great, and it’s something a lot of artists love, (some hate 😂). But when it’s to the point where people are saying, no their team should have told them no, they’re team should have token that out. Well then it wouldn’t be fulfilling the artists vision. It’d be more reasonable if you said, I think that should have been left out personally. But we have to realize that there really is no “should”, because art has no standard. Especially for someone like Gaga, who is in control of her music and image and everything she does, she’s not a manufactured pop star who has everyone around her trying to make everything perfect. ART IS NOT PERFECT, ART IS ART. We can have opinions, but there is no standard to what someone’s art should look like. Especially for artists who are very spiritual, they view art as whatever comes out is what it is meant to be. I feel like a broken record now, but I felt drawn to make this topic. I hope some of you remember this message, and take it into consideration. Hope you all have a great day! ♥️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bio 23,538 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 The first mistake you made is thinking pop music is art. Pop music is made focusing on sales, advertisement and chart positions. It is a product and It is not and never will be art. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan 3,881 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, Bio said: The first mistake you made is thinking pop music is art. Pop music is made focusing on sales, advertisement and chart positions. It is a product and It is not and never will be art. Gaga is a pop singer, but if you say she's ONLY a pop singer, you're wrong. She is an artist after all, with strong artistic vision that goes beyond musical genre or even music itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShayCristoforo 10,607 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 I think art can be critiqued for sure, but it's hard to determine what is "good" or "bad" because it is highly subjective and personal to the artist. That said, I think art that becomes popular is celebrated because there is a high degree of skill, creativity and/or controversy Get the pinot ready, because it's turtle time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CautiousLurker 19,469 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 I think it's kind of unspoken that when people say 'this should have happened', the implication is that if there was an alternate reality where they had some say, the outcome would have been different - I don't think people actually mean that a person or group of people were absolutely obligated to do something differently, rather they point out where something is lacking, at least in their view, and that's fine... But yeah, what's done is done - doesn't mean you can't hate it, or love it even, and express it... I do wish that people would be more aware of when something is their personal opinion vs objective judgement which I do think can be done to art... to an extent... but you'd need actual expertise which most people on here don't have... but they pass judgement anyway It's a joke! When you give me that look, it's a joke! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noorat 233 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Maybe KPOP is more society or art ? Dancing inside the box with idol is everything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daylight Jokers 14,958 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 49 minutes ago, Bio said: The first mistake you made is thinking pop music is art. Pop music is made focusing on sales, advertisement and chart positions. It is a product and It is not and never will be art. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bio 23,538 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 minute ago, LGs LM said: Very compelling argument, with many reasons why and reasons why not. I think you convinced me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNotHere1997 25,824 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 49 minutes ago, Bio said: The first mistake you made is thinking pop music is art. Pop music is made focusing on sales, advertisement and chart positions. It is a product and It is not and never will be art. When you think about someone like Selena Gomez yes, this is completely true. But Gaga stays out of this thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Tookie 10,546 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 There’s a difference between being an artist and an entertainer. Gaga is an artist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWitch 720 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 51 minutes ago, Bio said: The first mistake you made is thinking pop music is art. Pop music is made focusing on sales, advertisement and chart positions. It is a product and It is not and never will be art. Anything that is made in any creative process is in fact art, even if you don’t view it that way. Artists hope it sells well, but that’s not necessarily the reason they make what they make either. High art is supposed to transcend the ages, and there is absolutely pop music that does this. So I’m sorry, but on this you are very very mistaken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bio 23,538 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 minute ago, gabrielflorin01 said: When you think about someone like Selena Gomez yes, this is completely true. But Gaga stays out of this thing. No she doesn't. Gaga's music videos are full of advertisements. She was prohibited to release a lot of singles and music videos because her label thought they wouldn't sell. She went to jazz because she knew people were tired of her electronic crazy persona. She recorded a whole country album to try to gain middle america's support. Every move Gaga makes is based on how the public will perceive her. That is not an artist, that is a businesswoman trying to protect her business. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 A bit off topic but I’m gonna go to the Art & Society gymnasium (probably) and I’m waiting for the results Anyways, yes, art & style is affected by the society Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bio 23,538 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, WhiteWitch said: Anything that is made in any creative process is in fact art, even if you don’t view it that way. Artists hope it sells well, but that’s not necessarily the reason they make what they make either. High art is supposed to transcend the ages, and there is absolutely pop music that does this. So I’m sorry, but on this you are very very mistaken. So a McDonald's tv ad can be considered art? lol. A Trump speech can be considered art? Both are made in a creative process and you can argue that both transcend the ages. Are those art? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daylight Jokers 14,958 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bio said: Very compelling argument, with many reasons why and reasons why not. I think you convinced me I mean, who are you to say that? Some pop artists write and produce their own music. They pour their heart and soul into what they're making. Sure, they release songs because it's their job and it's what pays the bills, but that doesn't mean they're not passionate about it. "Pop music is made focusing on sales, advertisement and chart positions. It is a product and It is not and never will be art." If you go by this logic, does that mean that artists shouldn't be paid? You sound like one of those music snobs who only think classical music is art. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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