StrawberryBlond 14,266 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I've noticed that also. Unless your song is really popular and well known in the UK, it can debut at #1 and then sell like **** for the rest of its weeks charting. It's unfortunate. The US music taste is very stale, but I think the fact that it takes a long time (in comparison to the UK charts) for a song to go #1 is actually an advantage for the artist. I personally don't like the fact that most single sales in the UK are so front loaded. Hence, why labels release songs to UK Radio months before it actually is put up for digital release. I absolutely hate that. As a consumer, I prefer to buy my music when I want it and not have to wait a month to buy a song that I've already been hearing on the radio for quite a while. Of course it's an advantage whereas in the UK charts, new artists don't get much exposure before people have moved on. It means lower album chart positions, sales and longevity. There's a downside to both charts, I guess. The amount of new songs at #1 every week is really shocking. If you look at all the number one hits in the UK for the year versus those in the US, the UK has well over 30 #1's in 52 weeks whereas the US will have only half that. And songs can stay at #1 for weeks there. When people love a song in America, they really love it. In 2003, there were only 12 #1 singles throughout the entire year in the US. The UK are very divided on our #1's because a song doesn't have to appeal to the majority to chart well because of our relatively small population. In America, #1's do tend to be loved by the public because for a country of that size to get a song to #1 means people genuinely like it. It's all population based at the end of the day. What I hate is when certain acts get a huge chance for a #1 by perfoming on X Factor on Sunday and by next week, they're #1. It's such a cynical marketing ploy and Rihanna abuses the hell out of it. It's a big reason why she releases albums in November - so she can perform the lead single on the show and get a UK #1. Rihanna secures it every time and the other act who performs the same night always loses out to her. You can tell who the show wants to be #1 by which acts they pit against one another. Gaga performed MTN, her final single after a lackluster era last year, right after One Direction performed their second UK single. Three guesses who debuted at #3 and who debuted at #18 the following week. It is very interesting how the U.S. is the oddball out in the music charting world. Every other major music market besides us judges how popular a song is by how many people buy it. We are basically the only market that recognizes airplay when determining how popular a song is. Not only that, we recognize airplay as the most important music judging platform. How well a song does on the radio is even more important than it's sales. I basically agree with your reasons as to why our charts move as slow as they do. My two cents is that they are always so stale compared to other markets because ours has such a large mass. It's not like it's just a few popular radio stations that roll out a song, it's over 1,000 stations. Obviously, your going to have to wait several weeks before all the stations decide to either support or reject a song. To the bold part of your post, I have to say that you do get used to our method of charting if you follow it. A lot of times you can predict how a single will be performing at it peak months before it happens if you know how to read the US charts. Half of it is a guess and wait game, though. As a chart-observing, the US chart is both more interesting and less interesting than the UK chart at the same time. On one hand, it's interesting to follow a song over the course of a few months and refine predictions day by day. It's more of a game, in that sense. UK charts are a lot more predictable and their fast moving nature just isn't interesting to follow a song on, tbh. On the other hand, the US chart do get stale really quickly and it's often boring hearing about the same old songs that your hate day after day. Indeed, airplay is a massive factor in the US, which is why a lot of American Gaga fans worrying about her new singles not being radio friendly was a valid concern. In the UK, airplay really doesn't mean jack. Just because radio's playing it doesn't mean anyone likes it, they're just enduring it unless they make a request. There's no sense of radio stations banding together to get a single to #1 in the UK. On the contrary, a lot of our DJs mock the public's taste in music but they have to play it. Chris Moyles of Radio 1 even sang a joke song about how ridiculous it was that both songs in the Eamon/Frankee situation went to #1 in the UK. I do think UK charts are far more exciting and keep your attention more. I can't wait to read the charts each week. While some are predictable, it's really quite astonishing how someone can debut at #1 out of nowhere or a campaign starts to get a song to #1 out the blue for some reason. There's never a dull moment. I must admit, I do get a really sick pleasure out of seeing a really generic act debut in the top 10 and then drop in the blink of eye by next week. I've been loving how almost all UK X Factor acts aren't getting #1's this year and that just wouldn't happen with the equivalent of the US charts. Though I am honestly shocked at how One Direction have underperformed on both sides of the pond. They're flopping even worse Stateside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick 29 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Nicki's career is founded upon being overexposed. Honestly none of this is surprising to me. --- I wonder if she'll be able to score two hits concurrently; VVV and Bieber's song. I think it's doubtful considering the lack of hype around her lately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy8923 9 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Of course it's an advantage whereas in the UK charts, new artists don't get much exposure before people have moved on. It means lower album chart positions, sales and longevity. There's a downside to both charts, I guess. The amount of new songs at #1 every week is really shocking. If you look at all the number one hits in the UK for the year versus those in the US, the UK has well over 30 #1's in 52 weeks whereas the US will have only half that. And songs can stay at #1 for weeks there. When people love a song in America, they really love it. In 2003, there were only 12 #1 singles throughout the entire year in the US. The UK are very divided on our #1's because a song doesn't have to appeal to the majority to chart well because of our relatively small population. In America, #1's do tend to be loved by the public because for a country of that size to get a song to #1 means people genuinely like it. It's all population based at the end of the day. What I hate is when certain acts get a huge chance for a #1 by perfoming on X Factor on Sunday and by next week, they're #1. It's such a cynical marketing ploy and Rihanna abuses the hell out of it. It's a big reason why she releases albums in November - so she can perform the lead single on the show and get a UK #1. Rihanna secures it every time and the other act who performs the same night always loses out to her. You can tell who the show wants to be #1 by which acts they pit against one another. Gaga performed MTN, her final single after a lackluster era last year, right after One Direction performed their second UK single. Three guesses who debuted at #3 and who debuted at #18 the following week. Indeed, airplay is a massive factor in the US, which is why a lot of American Gaga fans worrying about her new singles not being radio friendly was a valid concern. In the UK, airplay really doesn't mean jack. Just because radio's playing it doesn't mean anyone likes it, they're just enduring it unless they make a request. There's no sense of radio stations banding together to get a single to #1 in the UK. On the contrary, a lot of our DJs mock the public's taste in music but they have to play it. Chris Moyles of Radio 1 even sang a joke song about how ridiculous it was that both songs in the Eamon/Frankee situation went to #1 in the UK. I do think UK charts are far more exciting and keep your attention more. I can't wait to read the charts each week. While some are predictable, it's really quite astonishing how someone can debut at #1 out of nowhere or a campaign starts to get a song to #1 out the blue for some reason. There's never a dull moment. I must admit, I do get a really sick pleasure out of seeing a really generic act debut in the top 10 and then drop in the blink of eye by next week. I've been loving how almost all UK X Factor acts aren't getting #1's this year and that just wouldn't happen with the equivalent of the US charts. Though I am honestly shocked at how One Direction have underperformed on both sides of the pond. They're flopping even worse Stateside. I'm surprised too. Interesting thought. It's their second LEAD single released in the same year that they got one Triple Platinum single that reached the Top 5 in the US and look where their song is now! Their album projections are around the 500K mark but seeing as hype around them has literally died completely and their latest single has performed very badly even after the video debut and a radio deal I would lower first-week projections to 300K-400K. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommymonster44 0 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Here are the most added artists to the US radio as of October 23. I included some favorites that I think this forum would be most interested in, but feel free to ask about a song not listed! These results are from mediabase so they are reliable: 2. Nicki Minij - Va Va Voom - 24 adds 3. Justin Bieber - Beauty and A Beat f/Nicki Minij - 20 adds 5. Kelly Clarkson - Catch My Breath - 15 adds. 7. Flo Rida - I Cry - 12 adds 9. Cher Lloyd - Oath f/Becky G - 10 adds 10. Adele - Skyfall - 9 adds 11. Bruno Mars - Locked Out Of Heaven - 9 adds 12. Carly Rae Jepsen - This Kiss - 9 adds 19. P!nk - Try - 6 adds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo 326 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I personally think that the Roman Reloaded era was messy because she had absolutely no focus in it. Are you a rapper Nicki or are you a pop star? She seemed to think that if you throw in a few rap songs and then a few pop songs, you could be both. To me, that just divided the album and therefore the fan base. It's almost like she took a knife to the CD and split it in two, throwing one half to pop fans and the other to her rap followers. This just didn't make sense to me. I'll be impressed if she comes back with an elegant way to fuse the two genres like she did in Pink Friday. I'm not praying for another Roman Reloaded. Yeah that's what happened but I wouldn't call it a mess just a mistake Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANiCURE1295 8,673 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Yeah that's what happened but I wouldn't call it a mess just a mistake With all the flop singles she had and all the music videos for different songs around the same time. It was VERY MESSY... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturo 40,746 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 In other news, I hope Mariah does well during her next era. She has at least 1 hit per era so she just has to smash in 2013 :cry: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo 326 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 With all the flop singles she had and all the music videos for different songs around the same time. It was VERY MESSY... You can call PTA flop barley but the rest of her urban singles did well. It was VERY SIMPLE if you saw my explanation. In other news, I hope Mariah does well during her next era. She has at least 1 hit per era so she just has to smash in 2013 :cry: So Get 'Em was just a warm up right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturo 40,746 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 You can call PTA flop barley but the rest of her urban singles did well. It was VERY SIMPLE if you saw my explanation. So Get 'Em was just a warm up right? Buzz single. People that say it was the lead single and was quickly changed to a buzz single as soon as it flopped are pressed or have their info wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alii 2,039 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 43 = CARLY RAE JEPSEN This Kiss 674 +39 219 +7 2.218 +0.133 12 388 43 674 227 2.218 Does that mean it can be a hit :fat: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturo 40,746 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 43 = CARLY RAE JEPSEN This Kiss 674 +39 219 +7 2.218 +0.133 12 388 43 674 227 2.218 Does that mean it can be a hit It can go either way honestly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo 326 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I can see having a nice career if this single takes off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Rosalia 9,906 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 She should have gone with "Tonight I'm getting over you" it's better by far and it's relatable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alii 2,039 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 All my hopes are with the video, it`ll be out on 28th and she`ll perform it :fat: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boysboysboys 278 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Gaga should have released something by this time, the competition puffers itself but isn't really that good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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