Klou 2,414 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Y'all need to ease up on Bryan, it's not like he's completely wrong. So how do you agree that Gaga is stuggling to keep up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Americano 31,061 Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share Posted November 22, 2012 And before her world tour. So what? Madonna can tour too, does that make her relevant right now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Americano 31,061 Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share Posted November 22, 2012 So how do you agree that Gaga is stuggling to keep up? Single sales, social media from Facebook to Youtube, and have three flops internationally (Judas/Y&I/MTN) all speak for themselves. :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy8923 9 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 So how do you agree that Gaga is stuggling to keep up? Well, in terms of touring and perfume sales, Gaga is clearly on top in comparison to her contemporaries, but, in terms of singles success, Rihanna and Katy reign supreme. I mean, Gaga has never really been as strong on radio as they have and, not to mention, I fear the she IS losing popularity (not enough to make considerable damage, but it's obvious). I mean, one of the reasons Diamonds is perched at #1 this week is because Rihanna was able to rack up those streaming points, not to mention Ke$ha who is doing very well with streaming as well. Streaming is just as good of an indicator to what's popular, because it's free and when you stream something you stream it based off of what you enjoy listening to (Diamonds and Die Young are #1 and #2 respectively on Spotify's list of most-streamed tracks). I fear that Gaga won't necessarily have that advantage but I can't assure anything yet. Also, Rihanna has HUGE crossover appeal. Something Gaga doesn't. She really is strictly played on Pop and her only time experiencing considerable success in the Adult Contemporary department was with The Edge of Glory and country ignored You and I (something that should be pointed out because, after all, it does have country influences in it so it should of at least charted on Country Songs). So now with the weight that radio has over the Hot 100 position, Gaga is at a big disadvantage. Sales wise she is still strong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Americano 31,061 Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share Posted November 22, 2012 Sales wise she's hardly that strong. BTW, despite spending weeks at #1, didn't even go 4x platinum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy8923 9 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Sales wise she's hardly that strong. BTW, despite spending weeks at #1, didn't even go 4x platinum. Yeah, but she is still strong ENOUGH. I mean, Y&I sold 2 million copies without receiving an Audience Impression above 70 million. Respectable amount if you ask me. Had it passed 100 million in AI imagine how sales could of been. Might of been Triple Platinum by now. Fans dispute the choice of YAI as a single, but it was a very smart choice because, although a more localized hit, still garnered a respectable amount of sales with considerably little airplay in comparison to the rest of Gaga's singles. She's actually a stronger digital seller than Rihanna, and Katy has been dwindling in sales since last year around TOTGA. Her #1 (POM) hit is only at around 2.1 million. Not to mention, WA is at about the same sales as POM and crossed 100 million in airplay and reached #2 on Hot 100. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy8923 9 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Also, Rihanna has HUGE crossover appeal. Something Gaga doesn't. She really is strictly played on Pop and her only time experiencing considerable success in the Adult Contemporary department was with The Edge of Glory and country ignored You and I (something that should be pointed out because, after all, it does have country influences in it so it should of at least charted on Country Songs). So now with the weight that radio has over the Hot 100 position, Gaga is at a big disadvantage. Sales wise she is still strong. Adding to this, being dominant in only one radio format isn't necessarily a bad thing. I mean, Britney is mostly only played on Pop and she's been doing well with single sales (obviously not as well as her other contemporaries, Gaga included, but let's remember that the digital era took off after her peak in popularity and her mental breakdown and she's still managed to become one of the Top 10 best-selling digital artists in the US without even having a 4X Platinum hit, Beyonce as well.) so Gaga should be just fine in the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturo 40,746 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 It seems as though we just look at Gaga's contemporaries' hits rather than flops Ri and Katy have had many international flops. Does that mean they're struggling? Maybe it does, but not on GGD. Because according to GGD, Ri and Katy pump out hit after hit and slay the world, while Gaga is at the bottom. We need to acknowledge their faults too, not just Gaga's if we want to be fair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Americano 31,061 Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share Posted November 22, 2012 It seems as though we just look at Gaga's contemporaries' hits rather than flops Ri and Katy have had many international flops. Does that mean they're struggling? Maybe it does, but not on GGD. Because according to GGD, Ri and Katy pump out hit after hit and slay the world, while Gaga is at the bottom. We need to acknowledge their faults too, not just Gaga's if we want to be fair When was the last time Katy had a flop? :toofunny: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturo 40,746 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 When was the last time Katy had a flop? Thinking of You, Waking Up in Vegas, and The One That Got Away did not even come close to smashing WW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Americano 31,061 Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share Posted November 22, 2012 Thinking of You, Waking Up in Vegas, and The One That Got Away did not even come close to smashing WW. The One That Got Away did fine. ToY/WUiV aren't really recent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerrard174 666 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 When was the last time Katy had a flop? you're correct. Katy hardly has any flop international during TD era. Gaga is always at a big disadvantage due to her airplay weakness. Thinking of You, Waking Up in Vegas, and The One That Got Away did not even come close to smashing WW. first two from last era when she wasn't huge TOTGA did better than TEOG, YAI and MTN OT: Check my signature - Join Musical Chair now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy8923 9 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 It's just that Rihanna can follow up her flops with a hit (or well performing, doesn't necessarily have to be a HIT) single and she does it in such a short time span that you don't even notice that the flop happened in the first place. When YDO was flopping, WFL was slaying everywhere for about 4 consecutive months up until about March and by May (after the flopping of TTT and BC), Rihanna followed it up with WHYB (A top 5 hit and HUGE on radio, bad digital seller but the public doesn't know the sales of a song; if they hear it on the radio a lot it's a smash in their eyes.) and next thing you know she's racking up another #1 with Diamonds. Katy hasn't had a flop since 2009 and TOY still went Platinum in the US so it really didn't do all that bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runway 27,876 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Single sales, social media from Facebook to Youtube, and have three flops internationally (Judas/Y&I/MTN) all speak for themselves. :) yes, she took a risk by releasing an album like Born This Way (which in no way appeals the mainstream radio or GP) and it still sold more than any american album, had she released a TFM 2.0 + the hype she generated, she'd of MURDERED even adele, but she decided to follow her artistic vision instead, which imo is more respectable. all those things you said are the result of releasing an album like BTW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runway 27,876 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Sales wise she's hardly that strong. BTW, despite spending weeks at #1, didn't even go 4x platinum. POM went #1 and it "only" sold 2.1M your point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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