Magoo 6 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I found these figures on a blog somewhere for the Hot 100, which look right given the 3.5:1 ratio of charting points between Harlem Shake and Thrift Shop reported by Billboard. Harlem Shake: Streaming 103 million /325 = 316,923 Radio 2 million /7500 = 267 OD 309k /125 = 2,472 Sales 262k /12 = 21,833 Harlem Shake total = 341,495 Thrift Shop: Streaming 10.1 million/325 = 31,077 Radio 111 million/7500 = 14,800 OD 2 million/125 = 16,000 Sales 412k/12 = 34,333 Thrift Shop total = 96,210 Interestingly to get Harlem Shake's points for Streaming (316,923) from Radio Airplay instead would require 2.4 billion audience impressions, which would take quite some achieving given the population of the US. To get those points from sales would require 3.8 million downloads in the one charting week It's so blatantly obvious that Billboard have made a major blunder; they should have divided the streaming by more like 3250, not 325 to get remotely sensible numbers. It looks like they have some urgent repair work to do to their formula. It ain't gonna last. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty3009 232 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 The Telephone video also had tons of parodies. Would those help under these new rules? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRANDONJ93 0 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 this rule is so ****ing stupid. really based on youtube??? smh this new #1 shouldnt even be #1 . its just a beat. not even a song. smfh. i think they should jst let the chart be based on radioplays. enough with this whole internet ****. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariomania1234 11,368 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 The new Billboard rules are a joke. So much corruption.... So now anybody can get a number 1 just by a song and video being popular and it could literally be the stupidest thing ever. Like a dog barking to a song or something idk... just an example. :flop: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommymonster44 0 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I have a question for you guys. Are you against including certain Youtube video views altogether. Or are you against the poor execution on Billboard's part? I, for one, believe that youtube has became such a massive musical platform that it should be incorporated into measuring a songs popularity. It's just that Billboard's rules of inclusion and their overall execution was terrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris777 112 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I have a question for you guys. Are you against including certain Youtube video views altogether. Or are you against the poor execution on Billboard's part? I, for one, believe that youtube has became such a massive musical platform that it should be incorporated into measuring a songs popularity. It's just that Billboard's rules of inclusion and their overall execution was terrible. MTE. :golfclap: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klou 2,414 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I cannot believe they counted 100 million views for Harlem Shake last week :toofunny: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturo 40,746 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I have a question for you guys. Are you against including certain Youtube video views altogether. Or are you against the poor execution on Billboard's part? I, for one, believe that youtube has became such a massive musical platform that it should be incorporated into measuring a songs popularity. It's just that Billboard's rules of inclusion and their overall execution was terrible. I agree with the YT inclusion, but it's weighted too heavily. If it makes the #1 song dominate as much as HS is doing over TS then obviously some changes need to be made. 3M copies needed to be sold in a week to dethrone HS? That's impossible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavymlover 340 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I have a question for you guys. Are you against including certain Youtube video views altogether. Or are you against the poor execution on Billboard's part? I, for one, believe that youtube has became such a massive musical platform that it should be incorporated into measuring a songs popularity. It's just that Billboard's rules of inclusion and their overall execution was terrible. I think YouTube is an extremely important platform for music nowadays, so in my opinion it should be included in the formula. The strategy was just very poorly planned. In fact, there are so many flaws and inconsistencies with this new strategy, that I suspect that the BB committee consists of a group of chimpanzees. I'm not even kidding... Like, they're risking all their credibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Americano 31,061 Posted February 22, 2013 Author Share Posted February 22, 2013 I think YouTube is an extremely important platform for music nowadays, so in my opinion it should be included in the formula. The strategy was just very poorly planned. In fact, there are so many flaws and inconsistencies with this new strategy, that I suspect that the BB committee consists of a group of chimpanzees. I'm not even kidding... Like, they're risking all their credibility. It's just music industry insiders working with Billboard to cheat the system, making sure a few big stars continue to get chart toppers. (Katy, Gaga, Rihanna are all big gainers from this change, and that's not some great luck.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommymonster44 0 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I cannot believe they counted 100 million views for Harlem Shake last week Which brings us to another point. Many of the HS clips were only around 30 seconds. Should these snippets be included like they currently are? My answer is no. Using that logic, whenever somebody previews a song on iTunes that should count towards it's chart position. After all, they are listening to a 30 second snippet of it. It's no different then what's happening on Youtube for HS. Also, Billboard is contradicting other rules that they have in place. A song has to be played at least 90 seconds on the radio in order for it to be included in the chart. The fact that a clip can be any length of time on Youtube, but has to be 90 seconds on the radio makes absolutely no sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 It's just music industry insiders working with Billboard to cheat the system, making sure a few big stars continue to get chart toppers. (Katy, Gaga, Rihanna are all big gainers from this change, and that's not some great luck.) Music insiders have have more control over radio with first week play deals, etc. The internet and viral videos the last year has been a boon to outsiders. I can see everyone preferring a system where #1s are easier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavymlover 340 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 It's just music industry insiders working with Billboard to cheat the system, making sure a few big stars continue to get chart toppers. (Katy, Gaga, Rihanna are all big gainers from this change, and that's not some great luck.) Yeah, it's very suspicious indeed. Sounds like many label's interests are involved, and it's not surprising considering that they inflate YT views, FB likes and all that stuff. It's their credibility what is at stake, anyways. Perhaps Billboard's decay is meant to happen :coffee: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariomania1234 11,368 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I have a question for you guys. Are you against including certain Youtube video views altogether. Or are you against the poor execution on Billboard's part? I, for one, believe that youtube has became such a massive musical platform that it should be incorporated into measuring a songs popularity. It's just that Billboard's rules of inclusion and their overall execution was terrible. This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills 446 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Justin Timberlake's Mirrors enters the HOT 100 chart at #24, while One Direction's newly released single debuts at #45. And speaking of debuts, P!nk's Just Give Me A Reason finally enters the HOT 100 chart at #84. Rooting for P!nk on this one in the long run. I'd give it a couple of weeks, or even a month, for the uproar to calm down a bit with regard to the changes made by Billboard in its formula for the HOT 100 chart. As I've previously stated, YouTube views does somehow conveys the public what's hot at the moment, what's hot in a particular time period, and with the shift of the GP in listening to their favourite music (and watching their favourite music videos) from traditional mediums such as MTV to today's YouTube / VEVO in recent years, particularly the young demographics who heavily influence pop culture in general, the inclusion of YouTube to the HOT 100 chart is more than fitting if we're here to gauge the hot songs in a particular period. Doesn't it? Have it not been HS that benefits this change, will the reaction not be that hostile? :shrug: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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