Bling 31,461 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 45 minutes ago, littlepotter said: She's so right. I'm half the world away but I know the impact a Bernie presidency can have... I wish some Americans stop being selfish for once and elect someone who actually wants to save our planet. FixedT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 52,924 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, dit said: This is always so shocking to me. Maybe she is keeping an eye on him because she has a masterplan to take him out (jk lol) but I just cannot believe Gaga is politically super progressive / left. I really do believe she is a centrist through and through. I'd be so happy if she were a leftist though. A dream Um hello how? She fought for gay rights when it wasn’t popular and lost industry partners for it. She was interested and wrote a song about BLM when it was at its peak scrutiny. She promotes mental health discussion and has an organization in schools to help uplift the youth. She’s insanely progressive and actually fights for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShayCristoforo 10,607 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Well. Dula Peep pipes up! Get the pinot ready, because it's turtle time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 50,158 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, StarstruckIllusion said: She followed Bernie’s main acc in December and his senator account last month. A Bernie stan used a website tool to check this. He’s the only 2020 candidate she follows too. She’s paying attention and stanning. She’s clearly a progressive esp. if you remember what she fought for and when. cc @Economy Or she's worried about his wealth tax and is keeping an eye on it to see Jk But u never know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dit 46,518 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, StarstruckIllusion said: Um hello how? She fought for gay rights when it wasn’t popular and lost industry partners for it. She was interested and wrote a song about BLM when it was at its peak scrutiny. She promotes mental health discussion and has an organization in schools to help uplift the youth. She’s insanely progressive and actually fights for it. All of which is also promoted in the centrist lane. Biden is a huge activist for mental health, gay rights and supported BLM. This is why I tell you Gaga could possibly be centrist because even centrist democrats believe in these things. To be a leftist like Sanders you sort of have to also add other things on top of that. Like do we know if Gaga is here for universal health care? Is she pro extra taxes to benefit the masses? Is she for free uni and debt forgiveness, is she pro ending MOST of america's military activity abroad (specifically in the Middle East), is she pro democratic socialist ideals, is she here for a proper and fair Palestinian state etc...etc..? These are only some of the things that typically differentiate a centrist from a leftist I believe. But I'm not saying her not being a leftist like you and me is a bad thing! I don't mind. Plus as you mentioned for all we know she could very well be a leftist of course! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 52,924 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Economy said: Or she's worried about his wealth tax and is keeping an eye on it to see Jk But u never know Idk Bernie being the only candidate she followed, and twice, is a pretty clear sign. She won’t speak out bc she’ll divide fans and piss off her rich Interscope higher ups. 3 minutes ago, dit said: All of which is also promoted in the centrist lane. Biden is a huge activist for mental health, gay rights and supported BLM. This is why I tell you Gaga could possibly be centrist because even centrist democrats believe in these things. To be a leftist like Sanders you sort of have to also add other things on top of that. Like do we know if Gaga is here for universal health care? Is she pro extra taxes to benefit the masses? Is she for free uni and debt forgivness, is she pro ending MOST of america's military activity abroad (specifically in the Middle East), is she pro democratic socialist ideals etc...etc..? That is what typically differentiates a centrist from a leftist I believe. But I'm not saying her not being a leftist like you and me is a bad thing! I don't mind. Plus as you mentioned for all we know she oculd very well be a leftist of course! Joe Biden is not progressive when while Bernie was fighting for gay rights since the 80s, and Gaga was fighting for it in 2008, the same year he was against it. I’d be surprised if she wasn’t a progressive. You see her promoting “radical kindness” or whatever it is recently. I can’t name a more impactful effort to promote radical kindness than running for President and promising to be radically kind to the climate, the sick, and debt loaded students. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Biden 5,898 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Dula also endorsed Labour/Jeremy Corbyn and we saw how that ended in a general election. So her political cues aren’t the greatest. I got drunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 52,924 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Halsey said: Dula also endorsed Labour/Jeremy Corbyn and we saw how that ended in a general election. So her political cues aren’t the greatest. The way that election was about Brexit and she clearly supports all the other 3736/3737 values they hold... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dit 46,518 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 minute ago, StarstruckIllusion said: Idk Bernie being the only candidate she followed, and twice, is a pretty clear sign. She won’t speak out bc she’ll divide fans and piss off her rich Interscope higher ups. Joe Biden is not progressive when while Bernie was fighting for gay rights since the 80s, and Gaga was fighting for it in 2008, the same year he was against it. I’d be surprised if she wasn’t a progressive. You see her promoting “radical kindness” or whatever it is recently. I can’t name a more impactful effort to promote radical kindness than running for President and promising to be radically kind to the climate, the sick, and debt loaded students. I hope so but I am still skeptical that she would rather a Bernie victory over a Biden one. I just need to see something more concrete I guess. As of now I don't think I can be convinced that Gaga is not an establishment / centrist democrat. But I will be BEYOND happy if she was a leftist. Let's see what happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Biden 5,898 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Just now, StarstruckIllusion said: Idk Bernie being the only candidate she followed, and twice, is a pretty clear sign. She won’t speak out bc she’ll divide fans and piss off her rich Interscope higher ups. Joe Biden is not progressive when while Bernie was fighting for gay rights since the 80s, and Gaga was fighting for it in 2008, the same year he was against it. I’d be surprised if she wasn’t a progressive. You see her promoting “radical kindness” or whatever it is recently. I can’t name a more impactful effort to promote radical kindness than running for President and promising to be radically kind to the climate, the sick, and debt loaded students. Honey Obama also didn’t support gay rights in 2008. A lot of people didn’t. And a lot of people still didn’t throughout the past decade, and now do. (Also ntm, this is a debate style “gotcha” question) Let’s not oversimplify LGBTQ history and act like it’s always been black and white. It took us a LONG time to be understood and accepted by the majority of America. What matters is when gay marriage rose in prevalence as an issue and Biden saw the progressive base supported gay rights, he evolved and endorsed them. And he’s been a firm ally ever since. Sis he was born 77 years ago into a fairly traditionalist culture, let’s not act like it isn’t hard for the old guy to evolve and fully understand what LGBT culture is. At the end of the day, he supports us. I got drunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 50,158 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Halsey said: Honey Obama also didn’t support gay rights in 2008. A lot of people didn’t. And a lot of people still didn’t throughout the past decade, and now do. (Also ntm, this is a debate style “gotcha” question) Let’s not oversimplify LGBTQ history and act like it’s always been black and white. It took us a LONG time to be understood and accepted by the majority of America. What matters is when gay marriage rose in prevalence as an issue and Biden saw the progressive base supported gay rights, he evolved and endorsed them. And he’s been a firm ally ever since. Sis he was born 77 years ago into a fairly traditionalist culture, let’s not act like it isn’t hard for the old guy to evolve and fully understand what LGBT culture is. At the end of the day, he supports us. This! I don't like the whole "but 15 years ago they didn't support this" People change their minds and re-evaluate values and opinions all the time, the past doesn't always reflect what they stand for now And before ppl jump in with the argument that Bernie did, yes he was very forward thinking in a lot of things ahead of his time to his credit... But I personally don't necessarily think someone who rarely or never changes opinions on stuff (even if they were proven right on a lot of stuff in time) is necessarily a good thing... Someone who doesn't change stances is the type of person who could also potentially be stubborn and if there's situations where they are proved wrong on something or that a policy they thought would work doesnt work or whatever, politicians like that are only the less likely to acknowledge they need to change how they think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarixGaga 15,546 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Taste in music and taste in politicians. We stan! JC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leoj305 3,671 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Good luck w your streaming numbers now..... big amount of her base were conservative little girls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagaloo911 12,959 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 5 hours ago, Halsey said: Honey Obama also didn’t support gay rights in 2008. A lot of people didn’t. And a lot of people still didn’t throughout the past decade, and now do. (Also ntm, this is a debate style “gotcha” question) Let’s not oversimplify LGBTQ history and act like it’s always been black and white. It took us a LONG time to be understood and accepted by the majority of America. What matters is when gay marriage rose in prevalence as an issue and Biden saw the progressive base supported gay rights, he evolved and endorsed them. And he’s been a firm ally ever since. Sis he was born 77 years ago into a fairly traditionalist culture, let’s not act like it isn’t hard for the old guy to evolve and fully understand what LGBT culture is. At the end of the day, he supports us. 5 hours ago, Economy said: This! I don't like the whole "but 15 years ago they didn't support this" People change their minds and re-evaluate values and opinions all the time, the past doesn't always reflect what they stand for now And before ppl jump in with the argument that Bernie did, yes he was very forward thinking in a lot of things ahead of his time to his credit... But I personally don't necessarily think someone who rarely or never changes opinions on stuff (even if they were proven right on a lot of stuff in time) is necessarily a good thing... Someone who doesn't change stances is the type of person who could also potentially be stubborn and if there's situations where they are proved wrong on something or that a policy they thought would work doesnt work or whatever, politicians like that are only the less likely to acknowledge they need to change how they think Meanwhile Bernie supported it the entire time even when it wasn't popular and didn't have to wait until he "saw the progressive base supported gay rights" He didn't have to evolve or "re-evaluate" his values with people like me because he was always on the RIGHT side of history the entire time THAT'S what I call leadership and integrity Sorry not sorry but I don't consider waiting until it's popular and "evolution" as leadership. That's cowardice, is no leadership, shows no backbone whatsoever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladey Gaygay 9,321 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 6 hours ago, Halsey said: Dula also endorsed Labour/Jeremy Corbyn and we saw how that ended in a general election. So her political cues aren’t the greatest. Gaga also endorsed Democrat/Hillary Clinton and we saw how that ended in a general election. So her political cues aren’t the greatest. STREAM JUICE BY LIZZO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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