BUtterfield 8 41,466 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 WARREN 2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eighteen 5,430 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 warren supporter here. at this point i don't think she'll be getting the nomination and should probably endorse sanders to consolidate progressives. i think she's gonna do that after today's voting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
REALITY 76,925 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Just now, Eighteen said: warren supporter here. at this point i don't think she'll be getting the nomination and should probably endorse sanders to consolidate progressives. i think she's gonna do that after today's voting. Maybe I just have a more pessimistic view of it, but I believe she's going to go all the way to the convention and do as much as she can to take away delegates from Bernie. As much as she likes to tout that she's a progressive, she's also an institutionalist. She's progressive, sure, but she doesn't want to make the huge, gigantic changes that Bernie wants to do. She's in this weird progressive/moderate-but still leaning progressive kind of lane. I'd actually be surprised if she endorses Bernie. 𝔊𝔬𝔬𝔡𝔟𝔶𝔢, ℑ'𝔩𝔩 𝔰𝔢𝔢 𝔶𝔬𝔲 𝔦𝔫 𝔪𝔶 𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔞𝔪𝔰 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Eighteen said: warren supporter here. at this point i don't think she'll be getting the nomination and should probably endorse sanders to consolidate progressives. i think she's gonna do that after today's voting. She wont endorse Sanders, she will either stay silent or endorse Biden. She has not attacked Biden since the race started even though shes known to attack people like him. So she wants to be considered VP if he wins. She did not even Endorse Bernie when he was against Hilary, she supported Hilary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,905 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, M Monstre said: Maybe I just have a more pessimistic view of it, but I believe she's going to go all the way to the convention and do as much as she can to take away delegates from Bernie. As much as she likes to tout that she's a progressive, she's also an institutionalist. She's progressive, sure, but she doesn't want to make the huge, gigantic changes that Bernie wants to do. She's in this weird progressive/moderate-but still leaning progressive kind of lane. I'd actually be surprised if she endorses Bernie. That's me In my opinion Capitalism is still the best system for encouraging innovation, business investment and growth and has helped tremendously with growth and innovation in the last 100+ years The issue is it's also leaving a lot of wealth gap so we need more regulation and redistribution but I don't personally think going as far as tearing down the system is what's ideal That's why I prefer Warren Her mindset is more like respect business world, investors and markets and the important role they play in society... But recognize that it's not perfect and leaves people behind to so let's try to close that gap I still think that's the more balanced mentality to have I know most on this site won't agree with me but that's what I think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eighteen 5,430 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Faysalaaa said: She wont endorse Sanders, she will either stay silent or endorse Biden. She has not attacked Biden since the race started even though shes known to attack people like him. So she wants to be considered VP if he wins. She did not even Endorse Bernie when he was against Hilary, she supported Hilary. maybe. i don't think she'll do that this time around. but if she does do it, then i have no idea how progressives will win. if bloomberg and warren endorse biden and he gets a boost similar to what we have seen with pete and klobuchar then bernie is going to have a serious problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eighteen 5,430 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 also shout out to the progressives who would quote me saying "most of the country is far left" like lmao are you seeing what's happening? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miel 15,009 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 I don't agree, but I also don't mind Warren! Vote, if you can! 3 points in and ready for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
REALITY 76,925 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Economy said: That's me In my opinion Capitalism is still the best system for encouraging innovation, business investment and growth and has helped tremendously with growth and innovation in the last 100+ years The issue is it's also leaving a lot of wealth gap so we need more regulation and redistribution but I don't personally think going as far as tearing down the system is what's ideal That's why I prefer Warren Her mindset is more like respect business world, investors and markets and the important role they play in society... But recognize that it's not perfect and leaves people behind to so let's try to close that gap I still think that's the more balanced mentality to have I know most on this site won't agree with me but that's what I think I think that's great that you have that mindset. I'm not criticizing you or other people like you who have that mindset. I'm more criticizing her. Because at this point in the Democratic race, it's very clear. You're either a progressive or a centrist/moderate when it comes to your participation in the Democratic primary. At this point, it's too late for Warren to try and carve out this 3rd lane for herself. In my opinion, I think it's better to go with the political revolution that Bernie proposes. I think that people are tired of the status quo, and I believe that's exactly what you're going to get with Joe Biden if he becomes president. We've had the status quo for decades, and while great things have been done, a lot also hasn't changed. That's why I'm with Bernie. That said...let's also be realistic. Bernie is not going to get 100% of the things he wants done. No presidential nominee or candidate can. Biden can't either. Even though he likes to boast, "Oh, I'll get things done!", "I can work with Republicans!", etc., the truth is that that doesn't mean he can get 100% of the things he wants done. At this point, the parties are so polarized that even if you do have Biden as president, many Republicans still won't support his policies. If Bernie is "so far left" as people think he is, then perhaps his policies may actually translate into what Warren is proposing if he becomes president. If you're a progressive, a comprise to your ideals still favors progressivism. If you're progressive/centrist or a centrist, your compromises will favor centrist or even moderate Republican values. 𝔊𝔬𝔬𝔡𝔟𝔶𝔢, ℑ'𝔩𝔩 𝔰𝔢𝔢 𝔶𝔬𝔲 𝔦𝔫 𝔪𝔶 𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔞𝔪𝔰 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othon 33,458 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, Eighteen said: also shout out to the progressives who would quote me saying "most of the country is far left" like lmao are you seeing what's happening? I’m seeing a political establishment do everything it can to destroy an insurgent working class movement. The vast majority of Americans believe in the policies that Sanders stands for. People vote for a million reasons, and when a former Vice President is endorsed by half of the remaining field in a cynical, desperate attempt to stop the frontrunner while claiming that only he can beat the horrible person that those voters are scared of of course that’s going to affect the race. And you know that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,905 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, M Monstre said: I think that's great that you have that mindset. I'm not criticizing you or other people like you who have that mindset. I'm more criticizing her. Because at this point in the Democratic race, it's very clear. You're either a progressive or a centrist/moderate when it comes to your participation in the Democratic primary. At this point, it's too late for Warren to try and carve out this 3rd lane for herself. In my opinion, I think it's better to go with the political revolution that Bernie proposes. I think that people are tired of the status quo, and I believe that's exactly what you're going to get with Joe Biden if he becomes president. We've had the status quo for decades, and while great things have been done, a lot also hasn't changed. That's why I'm with Bernie. That said...let's also be realistic. Bernie is not going to get 100% of the things he wants done. No presidential nominee or candidate can. Biden can't either. Even though he likes to boast, "Oh, I'll get things done!", "I can work with Republicans!", etc., the truth is that that doesn't mean he can get 100% of the things he wants done. At this point, the parties are so polarized that even if you do have Biden as president, many Republicans still won't support his policies. If Bernie is "so far left" as people think he is, then perhaps his policies may actually translate into what Warren is proposing if he becomes president. If you're a progressive, a comprise to your ideals still favors progressivism. If you're progressive/centrist or a centrist, your compromises will favor centrist or even moderate Republican values. I agree with this statement and this is the reason I don't think a Bernie would be that bad as President I do think his policies are a little too agressive and cross a threshold that would end up doing more harm than good, that's my opinion But considering he will be forced to compromise and won't be able to go all the way that's part of the reason I can still support him I think he would sway America in a positive direction without actually going to the levels I think cross a threshold where they start to become a net-negative It's also why I think Biden would be useless... His policies may be somewhat progressive but since u end up somewhere in between the status quo and the President's agenda because of compromising, a Biden Presidency wouldn't end up changing much Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bio 23,538 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, Economy said: That's me In my opinion Capitalism is still the best system for encouraging innovation, business investment and growth and has helped tremendously with growth and innovation in the last 100+ years The issue is it's also leaving a lot of wealth gap so we need more regulation and redistribution but I don't personally think going as far as tearing down the system is what's ideal That's why I prefer Warren Her mindset is more like respect business world, investors and markets and the important role they play in society... But recognize that it's not perfect and leaves people behind to so let's try to close that gap I still think that's the more balanced mentality to have I know most on this site won't agree with me but that's what I think Well for capitalism to thrive it is extremely important that extremely poor people exist so they can work for cheap and the big ones can profit. Profit is the main goal in capitalism and when you take that out capitalism makes no sense. So yes, the system needs to fall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnemone 126 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 I'm not american, but I'm really trying to understand american politcs because we all know that all world depends on it (fortunately/unfortunately, i'm not trying to express opinions ahahah). And, something that i keep reading is that numerous people keep saying that Bernie won't be able to do everything he promises. Coming from an Italian perspective (laughing nervously and sadly), i am like "well, it's a politician" but objectively no politician will certainly do everything they promise because i think it's kinda inevitable to fall in campaign promises. All this to say, is he really promising VERY impractical things? Just curious Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 24 minutes ago, Eighteen said: maybe. i don't think she'll do that this time around. but if she does do it, then i have no idea how progressives will win. if bloomberg and warren endorse biden and he gets a boost similar to what we have seen with pete and klobuchar then bernie is going to have a serious problem. But second choice for all the candidates is Bernie Sanders unless their endorsement changes their voters opinion. Bloomberg supporters are the only ones whos second choice is Biden but its almost a tie with Sanders. Also, lets not forget that while Biden is high at polls, Bernie will have more voter turnout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,905 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, Bio said: Well for capitalism to thrive it is extremely important that extremely poor people exist so they can work for cheap and the big ones can profit. Profit is the main goal in capitalism and when you take that out capitalism makes no sense. So yes, the system needs to fall. I don't think poor people HAVE to exist. With redistribution you would reduce the gap and level playing field. There's plenty of room for poor people to get more of the economic pie and the top still making profit and that's always been Warren's message which I agree with I frankly don't see another system that will work. Human nature it to better one self I don't see enough ppl working hard or spending 8 years in school to become doctors or making hard pain sticking sacrafices to get a new business going etc if they aren't allowed to thrive for themselves If humans were more selfless by nature I think a different system could work But as society and attitudes stand, I do not see how we can function and grow without incentives to encourage ppl Without a profit motive, I honestly believe the economic deterioration would become far greater than y'all believe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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