Kesha found guilty of defamation, ordered to pay $370k to Dr. Luke

[River 107,547]

Considering the amount, he kinda got lucky, it's more about the texts, so yeah from legal and rational point of view, the text about Katy is a lie and it was all over the news, so unfortunately the law is with him.

But the for the rest it seems like he lost the case.

[BUtterfield 8 41,050]

The rainbow tour made $76 million 

I think she’s gonna be fine 

and yes I’m aware not all the money goes to her 

[Spock 20,290]

1 minute ago, River said:

Considering the amount, he kinda got lucky, it's more about the texts, so yeah from legal and rational point of view, the text about Katy is a lie and it was all over the news, so unfortunately the law is with him.

But the for the rest it seems like he lost the case.

but isn’t it also the courts fault to not have sealed those texts?

Kesha heard it from a nail artist and told Gaga and that other guy privately. The news spread it because they got access to them because it was public information. Like, I’m no legal expert but that sounds like placing the blame on her for something she had no control over 

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Nooooo !!! how are things like this still happening in the world ?! a man can assault a woman and push her to lowest point. I really hope she gets through this and gets the support she needs  i wonder if Gaga will speak out ? maybe similar to the FreeKesha ?

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7 minutes ago, Blue Lagoon said:

The rainbow tour made $76 million 

I think she’s gonna be fine 

and yes I’m aware not all the money goes to her 

Her total net worth is only 5 or 6 mil though  

At her peak it was around 40 million but this lawsuit has drained her bank

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On 2/6/2020 at 3:33 PM, Gov Hooka said:

Dude I like her music but she’s opportunistic. That she can sit there and work with someone who is so reprehensible and has hurt Kesha at the very least business wise by artistically trapping her (if you don’t believe ANY of the sexual and emotional abuse allegations) speaks A LOT about her character or lack thereof.  It’s gross that she sits in a studio knowing that a man like that treated Kesha like ****. She deserves to be dragged. After all, Dr Luke should be blacklisted but Kim is the one crossing the picket line. It’s not like she doesn’t have the talent to make good music with a different producer who isn’t a garbage human being. 

I’m not taking a side in this debate, but if we didn’t already know, Dr. Luke’s contracts are wildly intricate. There are people that are affiliated with his Prescription Songs Music Publishing/Licensing company that people wouldn’t think of being affiliated, such as Allie X, LAUV, Bonnie Mckee, Doja Cat, and yes Kim Petras. Though she is an “independent“ artist, I would think that she probably still has a separate contract with him that she signed before all the Kesha stuff came out in 2014. What his specific contract with Kim would entail, I’m not sure, but I would think that if Kim had the choice to not release her first mainstream single with Luke, if not for the humanity of it, then for the fact that her popularity and fame is probably gonna always be bottle capped by him being her producer.

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Wow! This is crazy. I don’t want to think Kesha was lying, I doubt she was though since rape is a serious thing to accuse someone of. 

[River 107,547]

2 minutes ago, Spock said:

but isn’t it also the courts fault to not have sealed those texts?

Kesha heard it from a nail artist and told Gaga and that other guy privately. The news spread it because they got access to them because it was public information. Like, I’m no legal expert but that sounds like placing the blame on her for something she had no control over 

Kesha was the main source and not the nail artist, she could keep it to herself but because she told 2 other people that told other people and it spread everywhere, it was pretty easy to blame her.

Even though I think it's creepy to check texts of people, I wonder how did they get them?

 

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Idk how to feel. Obviously I WANT to believe Kesha, but if all the evidence points to Dr Luke being innocent then I do feel bad for him because his reputation is ruined for nothing. 
 

But I still feel like Kesha is telling the truth... I mean the song Praying is enough to convince me

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I hope she wasn't lying because she makes it that much harder for people who are really victims of sexual assault. It also sucks that if he is acquitted he'll still be looked at as an abuser because of what's already been said about him. Looking at the comments in this thread makes that clear. People don't consider that not all accusations -though they should be taken very seriously- are true. And in the age of the Me Too movement it's hard to know who's telling the truth or not. If the court found her guilty of defamation then she is.

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1 hour ago, Gov Hooka said:

You’re so quick to assume she fabricated it just because the court said so. The system is biased in favor of the defense in these kinds of cases. That’s why victims RARELY come forward and receive justice.

No.. you’re missing my point. I’m clearly saying she might have fabricated if there isn’t any case against him. Why is it hard to take a step back without bias and judge this situation ? I like Kesha, but you, like many others,  Quickly believe and bash too early without any proof. Just like you can believe Kesha so fast, I can do the same with not being biased. Azizz is a big example. He was bashed immediately when allegations came out about him. No one waited... then boom it wasn’t even true. I’m saying I WILL NOT be biased if everyone claimed their isn’t any way to know the truth. 

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Powerful white men can get away with anything. 

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1 hour ago, lgsbchac said:

As a man, it's so easy to be threatened by a movement that is supposed to help women and bring disgusting rapists to justice. This is such a typical response from someone who doesn't understand the issue at all.

False rape or sexual assault accusations vary between 2% and 4%. And that does not include all the unreported sexual assaults that victims don't want to report because they're too afraid of not being believed, not wanting to relive their trauma, and and and.

Women have the power to ruin a man's life? Instantly? The only instant ruining of someone's life that happens is that of a victim of sexual assault. How many men have continued their careers as if nothing happened for years after an accusation? How many accusations against these men weren't believed until multiple victims came forward? How many men continue on their careers as if they're not sexual predators to this very day?

If the judge and attorneys didn't find (or believe) anything then that's just further proof that the system is f*cked.

Anyone who feels threatened by the possibility of being falsely accused of a sexual assault, I beg you to watch this and rethink

And also consider watching The Hunting Ground if you're more concerned about men's lives being ruined by false accusations rather than people's lives being ruined by sexual assault and harassment.

Okay pause... I hate to go this route but dont ever in your life tell me I dont understand when myself, my two sisters, and my damn mom are all victims of sexual assault. I love your passion towards the subject but you dont know me or my story so please never tell me I dont understand. Im looking at this from a non biased point. Kesha fans and supporters will say he's guilty no matter what unless she herself says she lied. Im saying its not a bad idea to see this situation from both sides to better understand what happened and why the trial went the way it did. It will never be fair for a man to be labeled a rapist if he is NOT ONE. It lessens and hurts the movement. These trials are very serious and its not fair for a man to be labeled guilty and then proven innocent, yet STILL bashed. He's not a great guy, this we all know, but if he truly didnt assault her then she's not right and its not cool or a "women's movement" of any sort. The situation is tricky but bashing him or her without any evidence is truly sad. It ruins someones life and will stay with them forever. 

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1 hour ago, FlopSlurper said:

this happened way before the metoo movement came to light, a few of your favourite singers have probably already came forward and talked about how much of a disgusting person dr luke is, becky g, pink and kelly to name a few.

Yes. This i understand. I already stated he's not a good person and im not trying to defend him. Im saying its okay for people to be unbiased or trusting of the system. People have said he's a bad guy but Kesha didnt say he was a bad guy, she said he assaulted herself and Katy - the latter of which was found untrue. So I will not blindly just believe everything without a deep thought first. I always listen and respect women when they come forth, but I don't take part in bashing anyone before everything comes out. Women and Men both lie, Men more than women, but there are cases of both parties being caught in a lie. Thats what im saying. 

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9 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

Powerful white men can get away with anything. 

This mindset is so defeatist