Madonna sued again

[JustJames 1,040]

1 hour ago, 27monster27 said:

What makes the least sense to me is that they are suing for something that happened months ago. Her being late shouldn't even matter several months after. It is clear that they are trying to cash in on the hate train on her tour.

Not coming for you, but just wanted to explain that any lawsuit -- *especially* a class action lawsuit -- will take time to be filed. Nobody goes to a lawyer immediately after experiencing some sort of alleged wrongdoing; typically, they process what happens, seek counsel (likely unofficially first to validate their experience and emotions, and then officially by means of contacting an attorney), discuss a plan of action with said counsel, and then the attorney has to actually do their job of doing the proper discovery, filing the appropriate paperwork, motions, etc. In this case, there would be even more of a delay in the timeline as a class action suit would require multiple complaints with the same/very related claims of alleged wrongdoing on the part of the defendant(s). 

Whether or not the United States has a prevalence of litigious behavior in its society shouldn't infringe upon our right to take action against those we believe have committed unlawful actions against us or against others. If this lawsuit is indeed frivolous, an ethical attorney would not touch it, and that it has made it this far shows that there is at least some merit that there are professionals involved who are risking their reputations and livelihoods as you can't get far in law if you waste the time of judges, other law professionals, etc. 

That being said, if Madonna and her co-defendant(s) can show that no wrongdoing occurred, the law will rule in their favor. IMO, I don't understand how anyone could criticize the plaintiffs in this case. There are laws to protect consumers from things like false advertising, etc., for a reason. Madonna, her label, the tour executives, etc., are not putting this show on for charity. It is a money-making, well-oiled industry and machine. The target consumer for the product they put out makes multiple 0's less in their annual incomes, and I think it is callous to diminish the impact this situation could have on someone.

The average 1-bedroom apartment in NYC is $2900/month per the latest study. You would need to make well over $100,000 annually to comfortably afford that rent according to the "30% rule." Expendable income in NYC is extremely tight for anyone who is not in the upper echelon, so imagine having to spend $2,500/month on rent while working an hourly-wage job and using your savings to go see Madonna, an artist you've stanned your entire life. 

- You'd have to sacrifice something for the cost of the ticket; less social activity, smaller meals, longer shifts

- You'd have to sacrifice the income generated from the hours you take off from work the day of the concert to get ready

- You'd have to sacrifie the money to travel to the concert venue

- You arrive at 8:30pm, and by 11:30pm you are exhausted from a day of work and are less excited once the show begins

- By 12:30am, you begin crashing and realize there is no way you can enjoy the rest of the show (and the cost of a ticket is for the entire experience as a reminder)

- By intermission, you realize you are going to have to call in late and miss your morning shift

Should we all gather and coddle someone who is earning a living wage, can afford a roof over their heads, and can afford to save up to buy a ticket to a concert? No. Should we be able to empathize with someone in this situation? Yes. Was it morally questionable of the artist and others to knowingly make an audience filled with many others in the same situation as the person above pay for an experience that they wil not get? In my opinion, absolutely. 

I think we should all take a step back and remember these artists we stan are multi-millionaires and that regardless of what they say, and perhaps even truly do think in their hearts, they are performing for money - not for us. We would not be able to experience their art live without money, and once that exchange takes place -- our money in exchange for their art -- they should fulfill their end of that arrangement. I don't particularly care if Gaga's hip hurts or Madonna's back is aching, if they had enough time in advance to know the pain would impact their art and the experience they SOLD to us. I can empathize and be sad for their pain, but why in the world would I ever emphathize MORE for them than the everyday person? Things happen, and if this pain or something like illness happens last-minute and/or they give proper notice, that is a different story. But, being 3 hours late consistently is violating the agreement between artist and fan, if not legally, then certainly in a 'moral' or 'unspoken' way.

[PartySick 161,532]

8 hours ago, Amon said:

isn't it 2 hours, i think its not big deal. Gaga start SSN in 11:30pm, and doors are open in 8:30pm, and you need to stand all the time. In madame x tour, you are sitting, you can be in theater half hour before concert.

Yeah but we all knew the show wouldn't start until 11:30

If we expected Gaga to be on stage by 8:30 and she didn't show until 11:30, even I'd be mad. And I'm a blind stan

[27monster27 13,530]

2 hours ago, JustJames said:

Not coming for you, but just wanted to explain that any lawsuit -- *especially* a class action lawsuit -- will take time to be filed. Nobody goes to a lawyer immediately after experiencing some sort of alleged wrongdoing; typically, they process what happens, seek counsel (likely unofficially first to validate their experience and emotions, and then officially by means of contacting an attorney), discuss a plan of action with said counsel, and then the attorney has to actually do their job of doing the proper discovery, filing the appropriate paperwork, motions, etc. In this case, there would be even more of a delay in the timeline as a class action suit would require multiple complaints with the same/very related claims of alleged wrongdoing on the part of the defendant(s). 

Whether or not the United States has a prevalence of litigious behavior in its society shouldn't infringe upon our right to take action against those we believe have committed unlawful actions against us or against others. If this lawsuit is indeed frivolous, an ethical attorney would not touch it, and that it has made it this far shows that there is at least some merit that there are professionals involved who are risking their reputations and livelihoods as you can't get far in law if you waste the time of judges, other law professionals, etc. 

That being said, if Madonna and her co-defendant(s) can show that no wrongdoing occurred, the law will rule in their favor. IMO, I don't understand how anyone could criticize the plaintiffs in this case. There are laws to protect consumers from things like false advertising, etc., for a reason. Madonna, her label, the tour executives, etc., are not putting this show on for charity. It is a money-making, well-oiled industry and machine. The target consumer for the product they put out makes multiple 0's less in their annual incomes, and I think it is callous to diminish the impact this situation could have on someone.

The average 1-bedroom apartment in NYC is $2900/month per the latest study. You would need to make well over $100,000 annually to comfortably afford that rent according to the "30% rule." Expendable income in NYC is extremely tight for anyone who is not in the upper echelon, so imagine having to spend $2,500/month on rent while working an hourly-wage job and using your savings to go see Madonna, an artist you've stanned your entire life. 

- You'd have to sacrifice something for the cost of the ticket; less social activity, smaller meals, longer shifts

- You'd have to sacrifice the income generated from the hours you take off from work the day of the concert to get ready

- You'd have to sacrifie the money to travel to the concert venue

- You arrive at 8:30pm, and by 11:30pm you are exhausted from a day of work and are less excited once the show begins

- By 12:30am, you begin crashing and realize there is no way you can enjoy the rest of the show (and the cost of a ticket is for the entire experience as a reminder)

- By intermission, you realize you are going to have to call in late and miss your morning shift

Should we all gather and coddle someone who is earning a living wage, can afford a roof over their heads, and can afford to save up to buy a ticket to a concert? No. Should we be able to empathize with someone in this situation? Yes. Was it morally questionable of the artist and others to knowingly make an audience filled with many others in the same situation as the person above pay for an experience that they wil not get? In my opinion, absolutely. 

I think we should all take a step back and remember these artists we stan are multi-millionaires and that regardless of what they say, and perhaps even truly do think in their hearts, they are performing for money - not for us. We would not be able to experience their art live without money, and once that exchange takes place -- our money in exchange for their art -- they should fulfill their end of that arrangement. I don't particularly care if Gaga's hip hurts or Madonna's back is aching, if they had enough time in advance to know the pain would impact their art and the experience they SOLD to us. I can empathize and be sad for their pain, but why in the world would I ever emphathize MORE for them than the everyday person? Things happen, and if this pain or something like illness happens last-minute and/or they give proper notice, that is a different story. But, being 3 hours late consistently is violating the agreement between artist and fan, if not legally, then certainly in a 'moral' or 'unspoken' way.

You made some good points. Also, thanks for the more neutral response to this. 

[Jose P 23,341]

I understand his frustration, but a lawsuit? Really? Is it really worth all the hustle of a lawsuit? Like damn.

[COOOK 76,406]

[Amon 1,918]

19 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Yeah but we all knew the show wouldn't start until 11:30

If we expected Gaga to be on stage by 8:30 and she didn't show until 11:30, even I'd be mad. And I'm a blind stan

point of my comment is, people need to stand for 3hour min for Gaga SSN, and these pussies are setting on chair

[Gardevoir 9,893]

8 hours ago, Amon said:

its not a big deal, if you can't wait two hours for the concert, you better stay home. Some fans for big concerts waiting for days, before even concert start. I'm sorry but you can wait 2 fuc**ng hours. People act like fuc**ng pussies   

I mean just one note. Don’t use word “pvssy” in pejorative way cause it’s misogynistic. 

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

17 minutes ago, Emigrante said:

I mean just one note. Don’t use word “pvssy” in pejorative way cause it’s misogynistic. 

Not necessarily. P#ssy is also shorthand for p#ssy cat aka slang for a scaredy cat. Not everything that has a double meaning is meant in it’s sexual connotation.

 

[sillynate 6,170]

25 minutes ago, Amon said:

point of my comment is, people need to stand for 3hour min for Gaga SSN, and these pussies are setting on chair

I bet you have an account at madonnanation  you have the same attitude as them 

did you read what @JustJames posted? That really puts it into perspective and to have no empathy for the hard working average person because mAdONa iS KweEn BoW DoWN really says a lot about you as a person 

[Guillaume Hamon 6,537]

24 minutes ago, Amon said:

point of my comment is, people need to stand for 3hour min for Gaga SSN

But for Gaga SSN they knew it when they bought their ticket which make a big difference.  

They can't be annoyed by that since they paid for what they're getting. On the other hand, being forced to stand until the moment you were supposed to be gone can piss you off if it's a "surprise". 

Also for gaga it was a one time thing and maybe she doesn't even has much control over the organization since it's not her team producing/ planning it. 

[Andreu 37,216]

3 hours ago, JustJames said:

Should we all gather and coddle someone who is earning a living wage, can afford a roof over their heads, and can afford to save up to buy a ticket to a concert? No. Should we be able to empathize with someone in this situation? Yes. Was it morally questionable of the artist and others to knowingly make an audience filled with many others in the same situation as the person above pay for an experience that they wil not get? In my opinion, absolutely. 

i think you summarised the issue here perfectly

[Nemo 4,312]

4 hours ago, Guillaume Hamon said:

Also they pay a damn lot to get a ticket for her show then they often have to pay a lot for transports. A 3 hours "surprise delay" can force them to leave the show in the middle if they don't want to miss a train and have to pay an other ticket train or if they want to be sure they'll be at their job the next day if they have to.

Let me ask you: The ticket lists a start time, sure. Does it list an end time?

Without a listed end time, on what basis do the plaintiffs form their expectation of a departure time? Do they just guess? Or do they go online, read up on the tour, and (inevitably) find out not just the usual length, but that the show routinely starts late?

[Amon 1,918]

1 hour ago, sillynate said:

I bet you have an account at madonnanation  you have the same attitude as them 

did you read what @JustJames posted? That really puts it into perspective and to have no empathy for the hard working average person because mAdONa iS KweEn BoW DoWN really says a lot about you as a person 

wtf are you talking about? lol my attitude, sorry but sue someone for being two hours late is ridiculous. 

As always half of this site overreacting for everything. And there are no queens and kings, or whatever, i only recognize artists and musicians.

[derpmonster 22,412]

11 hours ago, Florin said:

Madonna has doing it for years. She must feel really insecure to do such things. 

Gaga is also often late to concerts but not THAT late.

10 hours ago, Amon said:

its not a big deal, if you can't wait two hours for the concert, you better stay home. Some fans for big concerts waiting for days, before even concert start. I'm sorry but you can wait 2 fuc**ng hours. People act like fuc**ng pussies   

The issue is when the venue forces everyone out at 11:30 or so and the concert is cut short. I'm not supporting this but if you paid for a 90min set and you get 60 min or less...

[Bt1 5,213]

7 minutes ago, derpmonster said:

Gaga is also often late to concerts but not THAT late.

The issue is when the venue forces everyone out at 11:30 or so and the concert is cut short. I'm not supporting this but if you paid for a 90min set and you get 60 min or less...

Being late 15 30 minutes isnt the same as being late 3 hours. And Madonna is doing it almost every night.