Gaga should endorse Sanders

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She'll probably wait until the nomination is over and just endorse whomever is up against Trump. She's got no reason to endorse anyone until then, and chances are it wouldn't move anyone's votes to affect the primary.

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Personally I'm team warren but I want gaga to be free to support whomever she wants 

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12 minutes ago, malazam said:

I'm too and it does.

Not trying to get into an argument here, but didn't Uruguay had to borrow money from the IFM some years ago? It also is a really really small country.

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Just now, Poker said:

Not trying to get into an argument here, but didn't Uruguay had to borrow money from the IFM some years ago? It also is a really really small country.

We cancelled our debt in 2006.

The asking for money was due to the worst crisis in history because of horrible management and because some criminals robbed our banks. Because of the region too.

Argentina is the one who asked for 50 billion.

And the ones that always ask for money is, surprisingly the right, Uruguay cancelled its debt in a socialish progressive government one year after the victory. I think the last big amount of money borrowed was in 1990-1995 by the most corrupted gov in our history and well, the son of that asshole just won.

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On 1/24/2020 at 10:03 PM, Chickens in Malibu said:

Nah no way.

She's so rich she doesn't care about tax percentage. Homegirl is making 1M$ a night in Vegas.

 

On 1/24/2020 at 10:02 PM, Lionel Hutz said:

What I'm about to say is dusgusting but I think she most likely supports Trump's tax cuts  

His tax cuts were mostly for Corporations anyway

 

For individuals wasn't his income tax like 1% only on income tax bracket

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5 minutes ago, malazam said:

We cancelled our debt in 2006.

The asking for money was due to the worst crisis in history because of horrible management and because some criminals robbed our banks. Because of the region too.

Argentina is the one who asked for 50 billion.

And the ones that always ask for money is, surprisingly the right, Uruguay cancelled its debt in a socialish progressive government one year after the victory. I think the last big amount of money borrowed was in 1990-1995 by the most corrupted gov in our history and well, the son of that asshole just won.

Yup, a socialist country with free education and free health care, and free every thing. Asking for money. From the US. Which now wants to go into the same path as the countries that ask them for money.

 

Sorry, I don't want to go off topic, but living in a country where everything is free and it still is a sh*thole, it just doesn't make sense to me lol.

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2 minutes ago, Poker said:

Yup, a socialist country with free education and free health care, and free every thing. Asking for money. From the US. Which now wants to go into the same path as the countries that ask them for money.

If you handle corruption then it's solved. Argentina is truly a weird case of study.

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2 minutes ago, Poker said:

Yup, a socialist country with free education and free health care, and free every thing. Asking for money. From the US. Which now wants to go into the same path as the countries that ask them for money.

I think things are a lot more complicated than that tbh... Scandinavian countries have a lot of free services too and are mostly prosperous

 

I think ppl view socialism vs capitalism and left vs right wing economics far too black and white as if one is great and the other terrible

 

How the strategy is handled and executed, how competent the government is at handling capital and investments if they choose to play a bigger role in economy and spending is a big factor too

 

Every policy has positive and negative effects. But how prevelant the positives are relative to the negatives on a net basis has many variables at play

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2 minutes ago, malazam said:

If you handle corruption then it's solved. Argentina is truly a weird case of study.

I don't think it's just a matter of corruption. It's also a matter of proper planning and competence

 

If u take money away from private sector the Government must invest it well in things to generate productivity and things that pay back such as education and infrastructure

 

If a government manages resources poorly, ur taxing the private sector more with little benefit to show for it so u simply impoverish the nation

 

U have more socialist type nations that have failed miserably. Like Greece and Venezuela are examples but u also have countries like in Northern Europe that have done great with left wing politics

 

I genuinely believe competence and proper planning is a big factor that is crutial to make socialism work

 

If a country can't be competent in investing the money it's taxing properly, perhaps a socialist path is a bad idea for that nation....

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9 minutes ago, Economy said:

think ppl view socialism vs capitalism and left vs right wing economics far too black and white as if one is great and the other terrible.

That's exactly how I think, that's why I don't understand when some people think that if they go either way then all problems would be solved. It's more complicated than that.

I'm talking about Argentina because it's where I live and it has always been a socialist country (except for like a couple of years in total since the return of democracy) and they always talk about how socialism is the way yet we're always asking for money to the USA, and we currently have 41% of poverty  with a mega inflation/crisis just around the corner, under a socialist economy.

And it's not just Argentina, what about Cuba, Colombia, Venezuela.

But that's not the topic here, sorry 

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8 minutes ago, Economy said:

I don't think it's just a matter of corruption. It's also a matter of proper planning and competence

 

If u take money away from private sector the Government must invest it well in things to generate productivity and things that pay back such as education and infrastructure

 

If a government manages resources poorly, ur taxing the private sector more with little benefit to show for it so u simply impoverish the nation

 

U have more socialist type nations that have failed miserably. Like Greece and Venezuela are examples but u also have countries like in Northern Europe that have done great with left wing politics

 

I genuinely believe competence and proper planning is a big factor that is crutial to make socialism work

 

If a country can't be competent in investing the money it's taxing properly, perhaps a socialist path is a bad idea for that nation....

I agree 100%.

Also, I don't think those Northern European countries talk about Maduro, Guevara, Kirchner, Peron and  Castro as  socialist heroes and role models to recreate. I could be wrong tho. Whose visions do they follow?

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13 minutes ago, Poker said:

That's exactly how I think, that's why I don't understand when some people think that if they go either way then all problems would be solved. It's more complicated than that.

I'm talking about Argentina because it's where I live and it has always been a socialist country (except for like a couple of years in total since the return of democracy) and they always talk about how socialism is the way yet we're always asking for money to the USA, and we currently have 41% of poverty  with a mega inflation/crisis just around the corner, under a socialist economy.

And it's not just Argentina, what about Cuba, Colombia, Venezuela.

But that's not the topic here, sorry 

Yeah. Honestly, ppl are way too black and white about left and right wing politics... There's examples of both success stories AND failures for both capitalist and more socialist countries alike

 

Say u wanna expand government by raising taxes by 5%... That's gonna be more expensive on private sector and take away capital they can't use and slow investment and reduce tax competitiveness with the rest of the world

 

But tax rates aren't everything for an economy. That extra revenue can be used for better infrastructure and education which can raise productivity and more than offset the downside... Or it can be wasted on poorly targeted programs that don't offer enough benefit to justify the cost

 

Even investments like education and infrastructure are not 1 size fits all... U don't build infrastructure for the sake of building it and call it an investment. It's gotta be a road for example or transportation will it will actually do good. Same with where education budget goes

 

Also government sometimes has issues with cost overruns. They tend to sometimes overstaff and use more resources to accomplish the same things than private companies since they don't have the profit drive... So a Government that can plan and structure programs, departments and projects in a way to try to minimize wasting resources also is a factor at play

 

My point is the impact higher taxes and more Government spending (more socialism and left wing policies) has on a nation largely depends how well thought out and competently it's carried out.

 

Bigger Government and more taxes and services essentially takes more financial resources and wealth away from individuals and businesses (private sector) into the hands of the government. How efficiently the government manages those resources therefore becomes key

 

So in my opinion Socialism can be good or it can be bad. Depends whether the government can actually competently manage things or not. If it can then it can be good... If they are going to mismanage those resources then they will only impoverish the nation

 

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I don’t think she should endorse anyone in the primary personally. That being said, let’s be real... the cool old school revolutionary Gaga of the early 2010s would endorse Bernie but now that she’s a rich basic bitch idk tbh