Economy 49,890 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, gabeoz said: I completely agree with you (except I loved Kes). It just felt like so many of the characters couldve used an overhaul and really brought the series down. I really enjoyed how Voyager did some lore building in the Delta quadrant and how it really expanded the Borg (which ST: Picard focuses on as well), I just feel that at times it would've been better to have a story arch instead of constant one-offs. A little tidbit- showrunners on The Next Generation struggled greatly with budget restraints the entire run of the show, if you notice, a lot of the space scenes of the Enterprise D were simply re-purposed for several episodes spanning the show's entire run. And budget restraints are mostly the reason why retrofitting became a thing in Trek, the showrunners couldn't afford to create new ships so they just used existing ship models which is why you still see Miranda class ships and what not flying around in the TNG era. And the design of the Enterprise D was more of a curse to them. This was before CGI was a thing so they had these giant productions models of the Enterprise D, but because the design language is so weird and awkward it had very few mounting points and it was incredibly front heavy so they struggled to even hold it in place, not to mention the struggle they had to get any good angle shots of the Enterprise D. So that made it just so much more expensive to try to even get good shots of it. In fact, they struggled so much with budget that after production on the TNG era movie 'Generations' (the movie where the Enterprise D was destroyed) the production team actually just took off the 'D' on the production model and changed it to 'E', in case they needed to reuse it for the next Star Trek movie. Hummm interesting Either way production quality I feel went way up somehow they managed to greatly improve it There's a certain cheesiness and outdatedness to the style the first couple seasons in the next generation that kinda wear off over time By season 5, 6 and 7 it feels like a totally different style and just much better made. The later seasons don't have that amateur or outdated feel the first couple seasons did At least that's how I felt about it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabeoz 7,915 Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 So i just checked my cbs all access and OMG its starting @Economy (this is the opening scene) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,890 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 minute ago, gabeoz said: So i just checked my cbs all access and OMG its starting @Economy (this is the opening scene) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,890 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, gabeoz said: I completely agree with you (except I loved Kes). It just felt like so many of the characters couldve used an overhaul and really brought the series down. I really enjoyed how Voyager did some lore building in the Delta quadrant and how it really expanded the Borg (which ST: Picard focuses on as well), I just feel that at times it would've been better to have a story arch instead of constant one-offs. Kes is a nice girl I'd get along with I real life just like Harry Kim and Chakotay. The problem is too many characters like that in the same show with weak personalities and soft temperament made it boring... Add Tuvok the Vulcan that suppresses emotions and that's 4 characters right there with bland personalities Neelex and the doctor were the other extreme and too extra at times Captain Janeways character at its core was good and had a lot of potential but her terrible acting ruined it (especially in the earlier seasons) Tom Paris is a tricky one. He had some personality at times by Voyager cast Standards but even then I thought he was bland at times tho not always. He was just ok to me. I think his character on script was meant to be a stronger personality but his acting didn't always make me feel it. His lack of facial expressions at times or lack of vocal modulation made him feel more bland than I think he was meant to be I actually loved Belana Torris. The only character of the entire show I thought was great, had personality on the surface and also a complex nature 7 of 9 was also a genius concept of a character and human growth story and thought it was great when she was added. It's kinda sad but there's only 2 characters I thought were great (Belana and 7 of 9)... The rest were too bland (Chakotay, Harry Him, Kes and to sometimes Tom, Tuvok is excused for being Vulcan but again with so much baldness already it was too much), too excessive (Doctor and Neelex), or bad acting (captain Janeway) Voyager was great in many ways but in my opinion in terms of characters and the cast it was by far the worst one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabeoz 7,915 Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Economy said: Just finished it, it was amazing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,890 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 minute ago, gabeoz said: Just finished it, it was amazing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Still watching TNG but I'm so excited for this TNG/VOY/DISCO are incredible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,890 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 6 hours ago, BadMonster said: Still watching TNG but I'm so excited for this TNG/VOY/DISCO are incredible What part are u on? Did u finish Voyager and discovery? And not deep space 9 and enterprise being payed dust Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Economy said: What part are u on? Did u finish Voyager and discovery? And not deep space 9 and enterprise being payed dust I'm watching S3 of TNG right now, my bf watched it years ago and I watched some eps, but I wanted to see everything, only seen sporadic eps of VOY too but loved them. Discovery is what made me watch TNG. I couldn't get through TOS and I gave up on Enterprise after like 4 episodes, I'll try that again after TNG/VOY. Never seen DS9 cuz my bf hates it, but I'm gonna try that too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,890 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 21 minutes ago, BadMonster said: I'm watching S3 of TNG right now, my bf watched it years ago and I watched some eps, but I wanted to see everything, only seen sporadic eps of VOY too but loved them. Discovery is what made me watch TNG. I couldn't get through TOS and I gave up on Enterprise after like 4 episodes, I'll try that again after TNG/VOY. Never seen DS9 cuz my bf hates it, but I'm gonna try that too The Next Generation starts to see huge production improvements from that point onward. If ur on season 3 u should already be beginning to see the difference Voyager was great too in many ways. It's the one star trek I felt never had boring filler episodes... I like the later seasons of Voyager more than the first ones tho And the thing about Deep Space 9 is that u have to appreciate star trek overall and be well acquainted with it before you can appreciate deep space 9. I used to hate it! Now it's arguably my favorite of all the Star Trek series! Deep Space 9 is different. It's not your exploration on a ship like the other star treks They are in a station owned by an alien race that the federation came to aid after that race was abused and enslaved by another... It's a lot darker, more political, with ongoing issues... The first season starts off a bit slow tbh but once the story starts to take off, later it turns into more of a style where the story continues (rather than each episode always being it's own story like Voyager or The Next Generation) It explores the dark side of the federation, it goes deep into political problems, the impact war has on individuals and society even years later, and brand new wars start after the series takes off as well. And some of the wars have complex plot twists. It's not always just random ships firing at eachother, they have a complex narrative at times to a level none of the other star trek series managed to do Star Trek Deep Space 9 also explores alien cultures in a depth and detail that other star treks do not. And the characters are a lot more human and real and realistic acting and not overly formal and perfect/polished the way they come across in many of the other star treks Deep Space 9 is a bit of a roller coaster. It got off to a slow start... And even in later seasons after picking up it has moments where it slows back down when some tentions improve and not much is going on tbh and filler episodes come back for a while But Deep Space 9 also has the highest highs in star trek in my opinion. The battles, the wars, the political problems and terrorism get very heated and complicated Deep Space 9 has a depth and complexity that other star treks do not. But because it also has its slow moments and it's not in a ship exploring the way many Trekkies traditionally like it, it's the most controversial star trek. Fans tend to either love it or hate it cuz it stands out as different and it's not your normal star trek I'm in the camp that loves it... I suggest once u get to know star trek well and understand it's culture, give Deep Space 9 a try cuz it depicts stuff in a cool angle no other star trek does But Deep Space 9 HAS to be whatched in order because the story continues. It's not like Voyager or The Next Generation where u can get away with whatching them at random Also like I said, Deep Space 9 is a slow start. Only into the second season when some problems cross a threshold to get more heated does the story really take off... But I wouldn't recommend skipping the 1st season just cuz it's slow cuz ull miss important stuff and be lost later on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,890 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 @gabeoz for our friend @BadMonster would u agree with my analysis of star trek deep space 9? I'd say it's definitely not the best one to start with but it has a depth and complexity that deserves to be given a shot at the very least if anything when ur done the other series Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Economy said: @gabeoz for our friend @BadMonster would u agree with my analysis of star trek deep space 9? I'd say it's definitely not the best one to start with but it has a depth and complexity that deserves to be given a shot at the very least if anything when ur done the other series what about Enterprise tho? cuz it was a struggle tbh, I was planning on watching chronologically Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,890 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 24 minutes ago, BadMonster said: what about Enterprise tho? cuz it was a struggle tbh, I was planning on watching chronologically Enterprise as a prequel is also different tbh and most fans either like it or don't like it (just like deep space 9) I like seeing the early years of human space exploration, character developments like Tpol slowly embracing a human side as she's influenced by the crew etc Enterprise like DS9 also got to a slow start Later on, there is the temporal war (this guy from 31st century repeatedly shows up to Captain archer with changes to timeline he has to prevent that special interest factions are trying etc) and that also gives birth to this faction trying to destroy earth that is getting orders from an alien species from outside our time and dimension whose goal is to make our universe habitable for them but they need humans destroyed to prevent the federation (which stops them in the 26th century) from ever forming bit of course the aliens receiving the orders from those beings are unaware of the actual intentions It gets good at the end of Season 2 You could hypothetically skip to the last episode of season 2 and whatch from them on because most of the plots are new and u should still be able to understand most of it even tho obviously there will be references you miss Like Deep Space 9 once the story gets going it's a continual story so u can't whatch episodes at random. Even the first 2 seasons are more continuous than Voyager and the next generation but once the Xindi show up to eradicate earth only the occasional episode will have its own story so it has to be whatched in order Again tho u have to appreciate prequels. It's at an earlier time and some fans just don't get the same kick out of it because it lacks the cool technology and powerful ships etc so, it may or may not be to your liking I can't really tell you. Ud have to give it a shot and decide for itself For me when I first got into Star Trek my fav was Voyager and the Next generation was my second fav But in time I started to appreciate different alternate takes a deeper story lines which is why Deep Space 9 and Enterprise are now my favourites Enterprise is shorter and so are it's plots as a result. With Deep Space 9, the issues that come up get directed in detail with plot twists and complexity over many seasons. They manage to stretch out the problems, wars and politics over 7 whole seasons Well I'd say 6 tbh... The first season of DS9 only introduced a few things but nothing major really happened or was developed. Only in season 2 or 3 it takes off But unlike Enterprise where u can probably skip to last episode of season 2 when story picks up and get away with it, with deep space 9 I think ud be lost if you skipped the intro season so u kinda have to whatch it even tho it's kinda slow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,890 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 @gabeoz just saw the first episode of Star Trek Picard on stremio Omg it was amazing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,890 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 @gabeoz @Glamourpuss Fellow Trekkies I have a question I'm googling and can't find online Star Trek Discovery is supposed to take place 10 years before the original series adventures with Kirk yet in season 2 (I'm almost done catching up) they are talking about Spock having served on the Enterprise before he went to admited himself for the phsychiatric stuff How can that be? Or was enterprise old and running already before the series? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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