I'm sad about Gaga rejecting her past achievements

[Regina George 59,387]

Just now, WholesomeOOf said:

Well that outfit fit the tone, and feeling of that album. I don't see what's wrong with having an era that is visually consistent with the music, even if it is simplistic (which was the point). Also still, that is a bit if an exaggeration as she wore various different outfits throughout the entire Joanne album cycle.

I don't see why she has to be innovative all the time though. She clearly still goes there when she wants to anyways (Met Gala,etc).

Also I believe the whole double personality thing can be related to her different moods/personality traits. Marilyn Manson is another huge example of an artist to deals with these same ideas. 

I didn’t say that there is something wrong with them. I just answered to a person who said “she will never be that girl” when in fact she spent 3 years telling people that she is just “that girl”. 

Also no I don’t think someone should be innovative all the time. I just said that pink hair and the whole Oscar campaign was not innovative. 

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10 hours ago, NFRockwell said:

Yeah camp Gaga is dead 

watch the monster ball hbo special or a random btwb video on youtube. its not just the way she dresses, its also her stage presence and feeling for the stage which is gone in my opinion.  

its not like ‘oh she wears something crazy she’s back’ no its the whole image

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2 hours ago, Didymus said:

Look...

The problem is this: in her early days she not only released songs, music video's, wore outfits, performed,... She unleashed a whole personality with her own value system to the world and drew us in with it. Let us look at those values a little closer:

- she lived and breathed her art
- she didn't spend money on outlandish things (or at least we didn't see it) and used it to perfect her work, or as she said herself: to make her live shows bigger and better
- she kept her personal life private, since she didn't want to be a shallow celebrity—she focused only on her work and what it meant
- she dared to go against the grain with regards to how people thought about Lady Gaga, defying expectations at every turn, both musically and visually

All those values have been shot to sh-t basically So the "maturity" or "she changed" argument is a dangerous one to make. It basically means her values, her personality, her intelligence as a person deteriorated, since all those values are good, wholesome values that we should respect, admire and champion in the pop scene

Instead now we're forced to stan for someone who tried to revive her career by going on Ellen dressed like any other celeb, talking about her ****ing BOYFRIEND for media buzz, who called playing in someone else's movie the best artistic experience of her career, who resurrected a pastiche of her old self to sell tickets in Vegas, who released a completely inoffensive country ballad of all things to win American hearts, and who is just as passionate about releasing a make-up brand nobody needs as she is passionate about "solving the mental health crisis" without doing anything but repeating that's what she wants.

Some of you just lack imagination, I'm sorry You really think there wasn't a way she could take some time off from the spotlight while still delivering the artistic goods? You really think she couldn't have quit the pop star life and made some awesome artistically fulfilling records? You really think she had to sell ****ing make-up like any trashy blogger? That she couldn't have designed a better show than Enigma? She makes choices these days but they certainly aren't in line with the values we fell in love with in the early days. And this false dichotomy so many fans here have drawn up about her old self and her new, more mature, more woke, more whatever self is an absurdity. If her artistry is declining, her personality seems to get more fake every interview, and she barely seems to care about individual art projects anymore for the sake of making art, then she is maturing in a bad way, sorry

What held her back from simply rejecting Hollywood and becoming the next Kate Bush? We know she has the talent for it. What keeps her from just focusing on making high quality music? Why is she still trying to make Diamond Hearts and The Cures? She's still trying to be the pop darling and she's going about it in the least original, progressive way imaginable. And that, kids, is the problem and the insult to her past. If she had any shred of her former authenticity left she would quit music altogether, since it's beyond clear by now she's not that bothered about being a musician anymore. In fact, it seems she's only interested these days in using her music to either just make money (Vegas) or use it as a platform to create media buzz for its own sake (TIHTY's Oscar campaign, ASIB's Oscar campaign and the intentionally created Bradley gossip mag rumors).

What offends me the most is that she's now jumping on the mental health bandwagon as if the only thing she can do is sit on a chair and talk about a few medications she takes, and dream about scientists coming together to solve mental health all over the world. No bitch, you can do a lot more than that, we all could. Put it in your art, or quit your art and become a full-time hard worker in this field. She's completely lost rn trying to figure out how she can become an inspiring figure today while still being safe and thriving commercially. And that's fine. But then the bs bragging about "I'll go back to singing in a bar if I feel pressured" shows off that she's deluding herself these days. She's not that girl. She wants to believe she's that girl but everything she's done in the last few years has shown she'd rather keep her Malibu mansion than take any risk whatsoever. But she's still working hard to convince the world, to convince US, the people who sponsored her for years, that she's that girl and that because she's that girl we should still applaud her for every time she does a mediocre job.

And that's the hurtful thing. I know y'all will just call me a hater but the thing is: I'm stuck here I loved Lady Gaga. The one I knew and cherished. And it's not easy to give up your fantasy about someone who embodied, lived and breathed ideals you love. There is no one like Lady Gaga. No one, still. And I'm not a bad person for sticking around and trying to capture whatever's left of that feeling that made me so inspired, so passionate, so alive. Because not she, but her work, her creative efforts achieved that. And just like she can't even give up smoking a ****ing cigarette, it's hard for me and many others to give up the illusion of her still being a dedicated artist.

What I'm more confused by is why other people are sticking around So that's my question to all the "she changed, deal with it!!!" people. How come y'all aren't bored to death? Do you just stan for Stefani as a celebrity? Is it some kind of mindless consumerism where whatever she does is good enough? Probably. But that's not good enough for me.

 

 

A painfully accurate post.

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@Didymus you're stating your opinions on "mediocre music", what supposedly goes through Gaga's head and what is and isn't performance art as concrete facts that can't be disputed and sen differently by a different part of the fanbase and putting her in a box because her artistry doesn't please you anymore.

And you know what? That's okay. It's okay that you don't feel as connected to her as you did before and even you expressed that sentiment and how apparently "you're stuck here" but don't project your disappointments and act like Gaga is no longer an artist or that she puts no effort into what she makes or that her choosing to be open about certain aspects of her life are somehow cheap.

She's constantly changed and evolved throughout her career and her current self doesn't please you but you don't have to brush her off and discredit her current ventures.

Move on, please.

[Didymus 34,379]

10 minutes ago, WholesomeOOf said:

The whole Jazz period with Tony Bennet was a huge transformation for her at that time.

How though? If you're gonna mention that "Tony taught me that I should make my talent come first" crap, that's marketing bull and you know it.

Almost a full year before she said that she was proudly waving her finger at everyone at Austin saying she had never compromised and that she would give up her fame and money to sing at a local bar again if she felt like her artistic authenticity was challenged in some way. So suddenly Tony revealed to her that she had been compromising all along? Nah. Gaga's too smart to not see that.

The whole C2C era was a move of rebranding marketing genius and it paid off. But it was definitely calculated to a t. The whole "bring back jazz" shite is part of the calculation. If she wants to bring jazz back, why not write original jazz? You know, she promised she would. And then she pretended she never said it. There's still no sequel to C2C even though she promised us one jazz album each year. Where are these projects?

She dropped jazz and Tony (from the spotlight) the second it wasn't useful anymore. Sure, she'll sing some jazz now, use it to sell tickets at Vegas, maybe even release that second album when the holidays come around. But the fact that she never really proceeded further into jazz shows that it really wasn't as important to her as she said it was. She's always sung jazz on the side so, in truth, her "big transformation" merely repeated what already happened in the past: that she'll sing some jazz from time to time. Shocker.

13 minutes ago, WholesomeOOf said:

Haus Labs isn't really an "era" as it's more than likely going to be an ongoing thing. Either way like  I said before, making a makeup line is incredibly hard and takes quite a bit of time/effort to do. This certainly isn't a simple cash grab for her. Let's not forget that she's been working on LG6 simultaneously as well.

I do believe she's genuinely passionate about it, yes. It just shocks me that she couldn't inject that passion, and that drive to help people, to inspire them and to unleash their best self, into music or any other artistic project. I don't understand how it doesn't shock other people that she injected all that passion for making the world a better place into... a product. Nothing more, nothing less. It just seems like something she would never have done in the past. Where's the idea? Where's the concept? She didn't think she needed one this time around. Which shows her artistic logic has changed, and that's the subject of this thread.

19 minutes ago, WholesomeOOf said:

I just want to make this clear as well, Enigma is not just a way to make money. Shes spoken repeatedly about how touring takes a big toll on her, and the Vegas Residency allows her to take it easy while still being able to perform. It also gives her the chance to go and do other things like acting, Haus Labs,etc.

But why perform at all if it takes such a big toll on her? Why can't she just relax and take care of haself at home while churning out some brilliant records? Why am I the only one seeing this as a possibility?

She always said most money is made from touring and that records don't sell anymore. 1 + 1. She made her choice. To perform a mediocre show which puts her body through hell because she wants to make money. What she could also have done is simply focus on her artistic creative process. But she hasn't chosen that. Which, again, shows she's in a different place, and that should, again, be the subject of this thread.

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25 minutes ago, Didymus said:

But there you have it. It's all about her moves and how they are perceived. Her work used to make the statement on its own. Now she apparently has to book gigs in special places and create an album in a certain genre, no matter what the songs are, to make a statement? That's whack.

I don't care that she bought a mansion. But why does she have to move to Malibu and lose all her creative talent? Most fans don't see a connection there, I do.

So the solution is to go on Ellen and talk about your boyfriend? Weird. And, remember, she used to say it was super easy to fight off the paps and that celebs who claimed the opposite were liars. And this was at her peak.

I refuse to believe that her making mediocre music is a "move" on her part lol. Tha's not performance art. That's just delivering a mediocre album. That fans have to spin this into a "reinvention" move or whatever is just sad. The work should speak for itself. And all it gave us was "oh she's trying to be all personal and authentic this time". Trying.

So now you suddenly admit her artistry is not on point Then why can't I call that out? I sure hope this is just a down period in her career,  LG6 will once and for all prove that. But if you're admitting yourself that her work is suffering, then I don't see what the fuss about my reply should be about.

She also said dumb things like 'pop star shouldn't eat' you know... its was a bit provocative and she was ways younger. I think people crave for knowing her love life. Mostly as the star she is. And I don't really care about her letting go and being free about what she goes through. Look at what happened with the Bradley Cooper thing. It might be complicated at some points to have to hide and force interviewers to skip questions because she is a kind soul. 

I don't said her artistry was not on point. I said it was less focused on the appearance for that era. It was less artsy if you prefer. Wich became a boring norm... Full circle...  I never said music shall come with multi media stuff all the time. I'm not that kind of guy. 

Spoiler

Even though she delivered three vids with a small concept... That's more than big enough for me.

It's very natural for every exploring artist to have albums with only three or four great songs, and even fillers (justice for fillers - what are fillers ??? I don't even know) 

Believe me when I played Angel down on piano at the music school, the teacher literally said that the song was good and she was shocked that it was Lady Gaga, and I never saw my mother dancing like she did on come to Mama. So putting the idea that this album is not her best for me it's only a way to take your point of view in consideration and put it back in history. 

 

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1 minute ago, nenhures said:

@Didymus you're stating your opinions on "mediocre music", what supposedly goes through Gaga's head and what is and isn't performance art as concrete facts that can't be disputed and sen differently by a different part of the fanbase and putting her in a box because her artistry doesn't please you anymore.

And you know what? That's okay. It's okay that you don't feel as connected to her as you did before and even you expressed that sentiment and how apparently "you're stuck here" but don't project your disappointments and act like Gaga is no longer an artist or that she puts no effort into what she makes or that her choosing to be open about certain aspects of her life are somehow cheap.

She's constantly changed and evolved throughout her career and her current self doesn't please you but you don't have to brush her off and discredit her current ventures.

Move on, please.

And you guys also don't need to whitewash and fondle her mistakes by running with the "she's changing!" free-for-all get-out-of-jail-free card, it's boring as hell

Of course she changes. But she can change into a superior version of herself like many artists do, because they feel less pressure to prove themselves commercially or whatever. Maybe as they get older they just like to focus more on what really heals them, what really drives them. That's when you get the big reinventions like Madonna's on Ray of Light, like Beyoncé's on Lemonade.

Gaga never had that album. Because she was too concerned with winning awards and grabbing back the spotlight after it was taken from her. Why can't I point that out? It's obvious. And it's true. Again: some of you lack imagination. Her other response to ARTPOP might have been: my commercial career is over and I'm just gonna focus on creating the best art I can without the industry putting limits on my creativity.

Instead she allowed the voice of the industry to tarnish her career and went along with whatever route was the most successful to win back the public's hearts again. And, yes, in her head it's probably part of one big "I was chosen by God to become famous so I can help people and share my life experience regarding mental trauma" narrative (which she almost literally said that way during the Oprah talk) but then that just fortifies my point: can she really be called an artist anymore?

Lately it sounds like she just wants to be a philanthropist. Which I applaud and champion. But then quit dragging along the remnants of your pop career and go for it. I'd love for Gaga to become a full-time philanthropist, get an education about mental health and change the world. But she's not gonna do that. Because she doesn't care that much, is the awful truth. She'd rather continue performing some artistically unfulfilling shows in Vegas, sell make-up and merely talk about mental health. While releasing no new musical projects. So what is she doing exactly? You tell me. But it definitely isn't something artistic anymore. And that's fine. But then we might as well just admit it.

[MessyTop 14,389]

Guys she’s also older. Back in 2008 she was 22 and plugged into the creative nerve of NYC. Now she’s in her 30s and not plugged into the youth energy. It happens. She’ll find her groove back. Madonna did. 

Sadly I have a feeling we’re gonna have to wait event longer for new music. She’s clearly not there 

[Magui 2,628]

1 hour ago, Didymus said:

Look...

The problem is this: in her early days she not only released songs, music video's, wore outfits, performed,... She unleashed a whole personality with her own value system to the world and drew us in with it. Let us look at those values a little closer:

- she lived and breathed her art
- she didn't spend money on outlandish things (or at least we didn't see it) and used it to perfect her work, or as she said herself: to make her live shows bigger and better
- she kept her personal life private, since she didn't want to be a shallow celebrity—she focused only on her work and what it meant
- she dared to go against the grain with regards to how people thought about Lady Gaga, defying expectations at every turn, both musically and visually

All those values have been shot to sh-t basically So the "maturity" or "she changed" argument is a dangerous one to make. It basically means her values, her personality, her intelligence as a person deteriorated, since all those values are good, wholesome values that we should respect, admire and champion in the pop scene

Instead now we're forced to stan for someone who tried to revive her career by going on Ellen dressed like any other celeb, talking about her ****ing BOYFRIEND for media buzz, who called playing in someone else's movie the best artistic experience of her career, who resurrected a pastiche of her old self to sell tickets in Vegas, who released a completely inoffensive country ballad of all things to win American hearts, and who is just as passionate about releasing a make-up brand nobody needs as she is passionate about "solving the mental health crisis" without doing anything but repeating that's what she wants.

Some of you just lack imagination, I'm sorry You really think there wasn't a way she could take some time off from the spotlight while still delivering the artistic goods? You really think she couldn't have quit the pop star life and made some awesome artistically fulfilling records? You really think she had to sell ****ing make-up like any trashy blogger? That she couldn't have designed a better show than Enigma? She makes choices these days but they certainly aren't in line with the values we fell in love with in the early days. And this false dichotomy so many fans here have drawn up about her old self and her new, more mature, more woke, more whatever self is an absurdity. If her artistry is declining, her personality seems to get more fake every interview, and she barely seems to care about individual art projects anymore for the sake of making art, then she is maturing in a bad way, sorry

What held her back from simply rejecting Hollywood and becoming the next Kate Bush? We know she has the talent for it. What keeps her from just focusing on making high quality music? Why is she still trying to make Diamond Hearts and The Cures? She's still trying to be the pop darling and she's going about it in the least original, progressive way imaginable. And that, kids, is the problem and the insult to her past. If she had any shred of her former authenticity left she would quit music altogether, since it's beyond clear by now she's not that bothered about being a musician anymore. In fact, it seems she's only interested these days in using her music to either just make money (Vegas) or use it as a platform to create media buzz for its own sake (TIHTY's Oscar campaign, ASIB's Oscar campaign and the intentionally created Bradley gossip mag rumors).

What offends me the most is that she's now jumping on the mental health bandwagon as if the only thing she can do is sit on a chair and talk about a few medications she takes, and dream about scientists coming together to solve mental health all over the world. No bitch, you can do a lot more than that, we all could. Put it in your art, or quit your art and become a full-time hard worker in this field. She's completely lost rn trying to figure out how she can become an inspiring figure today while still being safe and thriving commercially. And that's fine. But then the bs bragging about "I'll go back to singing in a bar if I feel pressured" shows off that she's deluding herself these days. She's not that girl. She wants to believe she's that girl but everything she's done in the last few years has shown she'd rather keep her Malibu mansion than take any risk whatsoever. But she's still working hard to convince the world, to convince US, the people who sponsored her for years, that she's that girl and that because she's that girl we should still applaud her for every time she does a mediocre job.

And that's the hurtful thing. I know y'all will just call me a hater but the thing is: I'm stuck here I loved Lady Gaga. The one I knew and cherished. And it's not easy to give up your fantasy about someone who embodied, lived and breathed ideals you love. There is no one like Lady Gaga. No one, still. And I'm not a bad person for sticking around and trying to capture whatever's left of that feeling that made me so inspired, so passionate, so alive. Because not she, but her work, her creative efforts achieved that. And just like she can't even give up smoking a ****ing cigarette, it's hard for me and many others to give up the illusion of her still being a dedicated artist.

What I'm more confused by is why other people are sticking around So that's my question to all the "she changed, deal with it!!!" people. How come y'all aren't bored to death? Do you just stan for Stefani as a celebrity? Is it some kind of mindless consumerism where whatever she does is good enough? Probably. But that's not good enough for me.

I don't have my way with words in English unfortunately, and my time is short. It's simple honestly, i still enjoy what she creates. And yes i admire Stefani, the woman behind everything, i think she is freaking talented. Regarding her music, i enjoyed what she created on Joanne and ASIB too. It's very simple for me, in order to follow an artist the way i do with Gaga i have to admire her, you see i listen music from various artists, part of them from decades ago, i don't follow anyone else or want to do it, or are curious about. 

Idk what to tell you. I hope that some other artist appears and channel that Gaga for you, cause unfortunately i don't think the original Gaga (whatever that means to people) can do it any more, she just disappointed you to much, when you talked about how you think she lost her values and don't believe in music anymore... Idk really but the good thing like someone pointed out, is that art lives forever, so you'll always have that. 

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@Didymus again you're stating your opinions on her as facts, which they aren't. You don't feel connected to her, we already got that but plenty of people do and plenty of people recognize her as an artist. You may not realize it but you come off as the exact kind of unimaginative prude you claim to hate so much.

Anyway, your view of her is clearly set in stone and you'd think that someone that values versatility so much would be more open minded and I can't change you mind and won't spend the rest of my night trying to but don't express you subjective opinion as objective truths when they are not.

Good night or day or whatever time it is for you.

[Didymus 34,379]

2 minutes ago, nenhures said:

@Didymus again you're stating your opinions on her as facts, which they aren't.

Literally everyone does that here Positive opinions presented as facts are just as good a target for this logic as negative ones

The only thing we have is our opinions and our instinctive need to present them as facts. I'm fine with people disagreeing. But I'm not gonna shut up because some people don't like to hear what I have to say. That would be very un-Gaga even

3 minutes ago, nenhures said:

You may not realize it but you come off as the exact kind of unimaginative prude you claim to hate so much.

What should I be thrilled about though these days? That she still hasn't changed up her choreographies to her old songs in her latest show? That she's still giving us the same arrangements? That she still hasn't found a way to blend her discography into a meaningful show narrative? That she's not taking care of her voice and it's showing?

Sorry I have standards. Ironically it's Gaga who set them.

5 minutes ago, nenhures said:

Anyway, your view of her is clearly set in stone and you'd think that someone that values versatility so much would be more open minded and I can't change you mind and won't spend the rest of my night trying to but don't express you subjective opinion as objective truths when they are not.

It's not my job to change anyone's mind or yours to change mine. I just stated what I think the situation is with regards to Gaga and anyone is free to reply to me or ignore my ass I'm always open for different perspectives. But "she's changing!"; "yes, she does care about make-up!" is not a different perspective. That's just a vague claim with no persuasive power.

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53 minutes ago, Didymus said:

How though? If you're gonna mention that "Tony taught me that I should make my talent come first" crap, that's marketing bull and you know it.

Almost a full year before she said that she was proudly waving her finger at everyone at Austin saying she had never compromised and that she would give up her fame and money to sing at a local bar again if she felt like her artistic authenticity was challenged in some way. So suddenly Tony revealed to her that she had been compromising all along? Nah. Gaga's too smart to not see that.

The whole C2C era was a move of rebranding marketing genius and it paid off. But it was definitely calculated to a t. The whole "bring back jazz" shite is part of the calculation. If she wants to bring jazz back, why not write original jazz? You know, she promised she would. And then she pretended she never said it. There's still no sequel to C2C even though she promised us one jazz album each year. Where are these projects?

She dropped jazz and Tony (from the spotlight) the second it wasn't useful anymore. Sure, she'll sing some jazz now, use it to sell tickets at Vegas, maybe even release that second album when the holidays come around. But the fact that she never really proceeded further into jazz shows that it really wasn't as important to her as she said it was. She's always sung jazz on the side so, in truth, her "big transformation" merely repeated what already happened in the past: that she'll sing some jazz from time to time. Shocker.

I do believe she's genuinely passionate about it, yes. It just shocks me that she couldn't inject that passion, and that drive to help people, to inspire them and to unleash their best self, into music or any other artistic project. I don't understand how it doesn't shock other people that she injected all that passion for making the world a better place into... a product. Nothing more, nothing less. It just seems like something she would never have done in the past. Where's the idea? Where's the concept? She didn't think she needed one this time around. Which shows her artistic logic has changed, and that's the subject of this thread.

But why perform at all if it takes such a big toll on her? Why can't she just relax and take care of haself at home while churning out some brilliant records? Why am I the only one seeing this as a possibility?

She always said most money is made from touring and that records don't sell anymore. 1 + 1. She made her choice. To perform a mediocre show which puts her body through hell because she wants to make money. What she could also have done is simply focus on her artistic creative process. But she hasn't chosen that. Which, again, shows she's in a different place, and that should, again, be the subject of this thread.

Gaga was satisfied creatively and then moved onto something else, which she has done with every single album. This was not something she did with just Tony/Jazz. Her interest in things ebbs and flows just like everyone else.

Sure it was a good marketing decision to have that whole stripped down Jazz era, but this does not mean that it wasn't a big step for her personally. I truly have no idea why those can't go hand in hand? Gaga has said multiple times that she was pretty scared to go into that realm of music on a massive scale and that Tony helped her through it. I don't think she NEEDS to write original jazz music to genuinely have the desire to bring that genre back either. For all we know she might be hesitant about doing that as well, or LG6 might actually blend some of that style in there. Perhaps she simply isn't interested in creating a full on jazz record yet? Anyways, Gaga lovvvvvveeeeeess performing Jazz material  which is reason enough to have a jazz show.

I believe the answer to that last question is that she still enjoys performing. Gaga's passion on stage is incredibly obvious and irrefutable honestly. We know that she is a workaholic oof, and in turn wanted to find a way to continue doing what she loves without overexterting her body while also giving her free time to do other things. Also all of that money means that if she wanted to she can pay for LG6 videos all on her own, more Haus Labs stuff, BTW Foundation,etc. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if she is preparing to eventually go independent from her label in a couple of years as well.

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43 minutes ago, ReginaGeorge said:

I didn’t say that there is something wrong with them. I just answered to a person who said “she will never be that girl” when in fact she spent 3 years telling people that she is just “that girl”. 

Also no I don’t think someone should be innovative all the time. I just said that pink hair and the whole Oscar campaign was not innovative. 

Ahhh okay woops lol

 

[Didymus 34,379]

1 minute ago, WholesomeOOf said:

Gaga was satisfied creatively and then moved onto something else

And why can't she move on from being an artist? If her interests are so fragile, then what's stopping her from not having an artistic nucleus anymore? That's my question, and that's the one that will be answered in the next year or so. And based on her last few decisions I don't think anyone can blame me for asking it.

2 minutes ago, WholesomeOOf said:

Sure it was a good marketing decision to have that whole stripped down Jazz era, but this does not mean that it wasn't a big step for her personally. I truly have no idea why those can't go hand in hand? Gaga has said multiple times that she was pretty scared to go into that realm of music on a massive scale and that Tony helped her through it. I don't see why she NEEDS to write original jazz music to genuinely have the desire to bring that genre back either. For all we know she might be hesitant about doing that as well, or LG6 might actually blend some of that style in there. Perhaps she simply isn't interested in creating a full on jazz record yet? Anyways, Gaga lovvvvvveeeeeess performing Jazz material  which is reason enough to have a jazz show.

This is basically just a big deflection. You're right, we don't know her reasoning. But the truth is: she chose not to go further in jazz despite all of her "I'll release a jazz album every year"; "I've never felt so good in my career"; "these are the best songs ever written in the States" drama. And that should lead one to think for a minute.

4 minutes ago, WholesomeOOf said:

The simple answer to that last question is this, she still enjoys performing. That much is incredibly obvious and irrefutable. We know that she is a workaholic oof, and in turn wanted to find a way to continue doing what she loves without overexterting her body while also giving her free time to do other things. Also all of that money means that if she wanted to she can pay for LG6 videos all on her own, more Haus Labs stuff, BTW Foundation,etc. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if she is preparing to eventually go independent from her label in a couple of years as well.

I will say that is at least still clear, she loves performing and/or being in front of the public. But, again, it seems to her that the show is all about her "message" etc. when the show itself is completely underdesigned. She seems to talk more than deliver these days, that's the main thing I wanted to point out. And I'm not faulting her for that. We all talk more than we deliver. But she used to talk less and deliver more. I'm just wondering what happened to change that.

[Magui 2,628]

"It's not my job to change anyone's mind or yours to change mine. I just stated what I think the situation is with regards to Gaga and anyone is free to reply to me or ignore my ass  I'm always open for different perspectives. But "she's changing!"; "yes, she does care about make-up!" is not a different perspective. That's just a vague claim with no persuasive power. 

I agree. It's no one's job to change opinions here. At the end if people don't share the same opinion whatsoever, people just agree to disagree. I personally only felt compelled to give you an answer cause you asked a lot of questions in your post in the end.