I'm sad about Gaga rejecting her past achievements

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On 1/6/2020 at 10:55 PM, giskardsb said:

We all know TF Gaga was channeling Bowie and Warhol.

If David Bowie would have created his first album as Ziggy Stardust, he would have had fans yelling that he was changing too much when he inevitably would have retired Ziggy.

But Bowie did Ziggy later in his career after he'd been established as David Bowie.

Gaga, while channeling Bowie, had the misfortune of becoming famous in her own "Ziggy Stardust" stage.

And fans still refuse to let her move on, and because of that, they refuse to see the different style of art and creativity she brings now, because all they want to see is Ziggy.

 

Lady Gaga put out The Fame, The Fame Monster, Born This Way and ARTPOP and she remained "Gaga". Of course she's allowed to evolve, but pretending her extravagant persona was only part of The Fame-The Fame Monster eras is outrageous. She fed her fanbase with this persona from 2008 until 2014 (approximately) and then changed drastically with Cheek To Cheek and even more so with Joanne, again, of course she's allowed to evolve and change as she pleases but it remains a shock to a lot that she no longer is "what she used to be". 

Wether us her fans like it or not Lady Gaga will continue to change. 

[Mars 2,373]

I don't think she has rejected her former self but more embraced it and moved on. She still lives for impact and making statements but now its much more mature and calculated and honest. She's played it smart.

She always will be groundbreaking and the Oprah interview itself was a huge step forward for sharing what she believes in - and this is not something new, this stems from BTW.

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On 1/9/2020 at 12:23 PM, mgmpochhit said:

Lady Gaga put out The Fame, The Fame Monster, Born This Way and ARTPOP and she remained "Gaga". Of course she's allowed to evolve, but pretending her extravagant persona was only part of The Fame-The Fame Monster eras is outrageous. She fed her fanbase with this persona from 2008 until 2014 (approximately) and then changed drastically with Cheek To Cheek and even more so with Joanne, again, of course she's allowed to evolve and change as she pleases but it remains a shock to a lot that she no longer is "what she used to be". 

Wether us her fans like it or not Lady Gaga will continue to change. 

Yeah Lady Gaga was supposed to be a persona and it’s something for her to hide under so she can be outrageous or whatever and it’ll make sense. I don’t expect her to always be in an avant-garde costume every era but it seems everything is safe now and lack of creativity. It just seems she isn’t as inspired as she was back then. She was more driven back then and that help spark some of that creativity because she had to stand out

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On 1/7/2020 at 12:24 AM, Didymus said:

Look...

The problem is this: in her early days she not only released songs, music video's, wore outfits, performed,... She unleashed a whole personality with her own value system to the world and drew us in with it. Let us look at those values a little closer:

- she lived and breathed her art
- she didn't spend money on outlandish things (or at least we didn't see it) and used it to perfect her work, or as she said herself: to make her live shows bigger and better
- she kept her personal life private, since she didn't want to be a shallow celebrity—she focused only on her work and what it meant
- she dared to go against the grain with regards to how people thought about Lady Gaga, defying expectations at every turn, both musically and visually

All those values have been shot to sh-t basically So the "maturity" or "she changed" argument is a dangerous one to make. It basically means her values, her personality, her intelligence as a person deteriorated, since all those values are good, wholesome values that we should respect, admire and champion in the pop scene

Instead now we're forced to stan for someone who tried to revive her career by going on Ellen dressed like any other celeb, talking about her ****ing BOYFRIEND for media buzz, who called playing in someone else's movie the best artistic experience of her career, who resurrected a pastiche of her old self to sell tickets in Vegas, who released a completely inoffensive country ballad of all things to win American hearts, and who is just as passionate about releasing a make-up brand nobody needs as she is passionate about "solving the mental health crisis" without doing anything but repeating that's what she wants.

Some of you just lack imagination, I'm sorry You really think there wasn't a way she could take some time off from the spotlight while still delivering the artistic goods? You really think she couldn't have quit the pop star life and made some awesome artistically fulfilling records? You really think she had to sell ****ing make-up like any trashy blogger? That she couldn't have designed a better show than Enigma? She makes choices these days but they certainly aren't in line with the values we fell in love with in the early days. And this false dichotomy so many fans here have drawn up about her old self and her new, more mature, more woke, more whatever self is an absurdity. If her artistry is declining, her personality seems to get more fake every interview, and she barely seems to care about individual art projects anymore for the sake of making art, then she is maturing in a bad way, sorry

What held her back from simply rejecting Hollywood and becoming the next Kate Bush? We know she has the talent for it. What keeps her from just focusing on making high quality music? Why is she still trying to make Diamond Hearts and The Cures? She's still trying to be the pop darling and she's going about it in the least original, progressive way imaginable. And that, kids, is the problem and the insult to her past. If she had any shred of her former authenticity left she would quit music altogether, since it's beyond clear by now she's not that bothered about being a musician anymore. In fact, it seems she's only interested these days in using her music to either just make money (Vegas) or use it as a platform to create media buzz for its own sake (TIHTY's Oscar campaign, ASIB's Oscar campaign and the intentionally created Bradley gossip mag rumors).

What offends me the most is that she's now jumping on the mental health bandwagon as if the only thing she can do is sit on a chair and talk about a few medications she takes, and dream about scientists coming together to solve mental health all over the world. No bitch, you can do a lot more than that, we all could. Put it in your art, or quit your art and become a full-time hard worker in this field. She's completely lost rn trying to figure out how she can become an inspiring figure today while still being safe and thriving commercially. And that's fine. But then the bs bragging about "I'll go back to singing in a bar if I feel pressured" shows off that she's deluding herself these days. She's not that girl. She wants to believe she's that girl but everything she's done in the last few years has shown she'd rather keep her Malibu mansion than take any risk whatsoever. But she's still working hard to convince the world, to convince US, the people who sponsored her for years, that she's that girl and that because she's that girl we should still applaud her for every time she does a mediocre job.

And that's the hurtful thing. I know y'all will just call me a hater but the thing is: I'm stuck here I loved Lady Gaga. The one I knew and cherished. And it's not easy to give up your fantasy about someone who embodied, lived and breathed ideals you love. There is no one like Lady Gaga. No one, still. And I'm not a bad person for sticking around and trying to capture whatever's left of that feeling that made me so inspired, so passionate, so alive. Because not she, but her work, her creative efforts achieved that. And just like she can't even give up smoking a ****ing cigarette, it's hard for me and many others to give up the illusion of her still being a dedicated artist.

What I'm more confused by is why other people are sticking around So that's my question to all the "she changed, deal with it!!!" people. How come y'all aren't bored to death? Do you just stan for Stefani as a celebrity? Is it some kind of mindless consumerism where whatever she does is good enough? Probably. But that's not good enough for me.

Oh sis you SNAPPED..

But yeah you took the words right out of my mind and put then in perfect english that i could never 🤣

This is my main concern with her since ARTPOP but i still love shallow asib and the makeup so.. idk its bittersweet.

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On 1/7/2020 at 1:35 PM, Ronk said:

People who dismiss the JWT did not see it live, they just assumed it was not great.  She served.  An interesting thing about the concert I attended is that she mentioned she was living with pain from fibro when she was reading fan mail onstage.    The next day she was hospitalized due to her fibro and she had to cancel concerts.  You know she had to be in pain during that concert, but look how she hid it during her performance.   A real trooper who doesn't want to let her fans down by not giving it her all onstage.  Doctors tell her she has to take it easy, but she won't listen until she breaks.  Five minutes from my seat at that concert:

 

Her vocal peak omg she sounded SO GOOD 

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On 1/7/2020 at 4:50 AM, Galvon said:

Lol the contrast between these two:

From 2:25 to 3:33 and 8:26 to 9:43 and in part 2  from 0:17 to  0:43

Then this one (almost a decade later!!) from 10:23 to 11:05

 

She got tired i guess, she was hig on coke and fame back in the day, but yeah the contrast is so shocking, its like someone replaced her with a clone.

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On 1/7/2020 at 7:24 AM, Didymus said:

Look...

The problem is this: in her early days she not only released songs, music video's, wore outfits, performed,... She unleashed a whole personality with her own value system to the world and drew us in with it. Let us look at those values a little closer:

- she lived and breathed her art
- she didn't spend money on outlandish things (or at least we didn't see it) and used it to perfect her work, or as she said herself: to make her live shows bigger and better
- she kept her personal life private, since she didn't want to be a shallow celebrity—she focused only on her work and what it meant
- she dared to go against the grain with regards to how people thought about Lady Gaga, defying expectations at every turn, both musically and visually

All those values have been shot to sh-t basically So the "maturity" or "she changed" argument is a dangerous one to make. It basically means her values, her personality, her intelligence as a person deteriorated, since all those values are good, wholesome values that we should respect, admire and champion in the pop scene

Instead now we're forced to stan for someone who tried to revive her career by going on Ellen dressed like any other celeb, talking about her ****ing BOYFRIEND for media buzz, who called playing in someone else's movie the best artistic experience of her career, who resurrected a pastiche of her old self to sell tickets in Vegas, who released a completely inoffensive country ballad of all things to win American hearts, and who is just as passionate about releasing a make-up brand nobody needs as she is passionate about "solving the mental health crisis" without doing anything but repeating that's what she wants.

Some of you just lack imagination, I'm sorry You really think there wasn't a way she could take some time off from the spotlight while still delivering the artistic goods? You really think she couldn't have quit the pop star life and made some awesome artistically fulfilling records? You really think she had to sell ****ing make-up like any trashy blogger? That she couldn't have designed a better show than Enigma? She makes choices these days but they certainly aren't in line with the values we fell in love with in the early days. And this false dichotomy so many fans here have drawn up about her old self and her new, more mature, more woke, more whatever self is an absurdity. If her artistry is declining, her personality seems to get more fake every interview, and she barely seems to care about individual art projects anymore for the sake of making art, then she is maturing in a bad way, sorry

What held her back from simply rejecting Hollywood and becoming the next Kate Bush? We know she has the talent for it. What keeps her from just focusing on making high quality music? Why is she still trying to make Diamond Hearts and The Cures? She's still trying to be the pop darling and she's going about it in the least original, progressive way imaginable. And that, kids, is the problem and the insult to her past. If she had any shred of her former authenticity left she would quit music altogether, since it's beyond clear by now she's not that bothered about being a musician anymore. In fact, it seems she's only interested these days in using her music to either just make money (Vegas) or use it as a platform to create media buzz for its own sake (TIHTY's Oscar campaign, ASIB's Oscar campaign and the intentionally created Bradley gossip mag rumors).

What offends me the most is that she's now jumping on the mental health bandwagon as if the only thing she can do is sit on a chair and talk about a few medications she takes, and dream about scientists coming together to solve mental health all over the world. No bitch, you can do a lot more than that, we all could. Put it in your art, or quit your art and become a full-time hard worker in this field. She's completely lost rn trying to figure out how she can become an inspiring figure today while still being safe and thriving commercially. And that's fine. But then the bs bragging about "I'll go back to singing in a bar if I feel pressured" shows off that she's deluding herself these days. She's not that girl. She wants to believe she's that girl but everything she's done in the last few years has shown she'd rather keep her Malibu mansion than take any risk whatsoever. But she's still working hard to convince the world, to convince US, the people who sponsored her for years, that she's that girl and that because she's that girl we should still applaud her for every time she does a mediocre job.

And that's the hurtful thing. I know y'all will just call me a hater but the thing is: I'm stuck here I loved Lady Gaga. The one I knew and cherished. And it's not easy to give up your fantasy about someone who embodied, lived and breathed ideals you love. There is no one like Lady Gaga. No one, still. And I'm not a bad person for sticking around and trying to capture whatever's left of that feeling that made me so inspired, so passionate, so alive. Because not she, but her work, her creative efforts achieved that. And just like she can't even give up smoking a ****ing cigarette, it's hard for me and many others to give up the illusion of her still being a dedicated artist.

What I'm more confused by is why other people are sticking around So that's my question to all the "she changed, deal with it!!!" people. How come y'all aren't bored to death? Do you just stan for Stefani as a celebrity? Is it some kind of mindless consumerism where whatever she does is good enough? Probably. But that's not good enough for me.

Post like this are exactly why i detest threads like this . 

 

 

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39 minutes ago, RenegAde said:

Post like this are exactly why i detest threads like this .

I regret posting it, so I actually feel you I feel like I lowkey want to erase everything I wrote and just keep this part:

"She's completely lost rn trying to figure out how she can become an inspiring figure today while still being safe and thriving commercially."

I do think this is true but this is probably a genuine dilemma for Gaga as she clearly believes she is meant for fame, i.e. to make a positive change on a massive scale. That explains a lot of her actions, obviously. Though I still stand by my opinion that this idea of hers has the direct consequence that her artistic expression deteriorates. But I shouldn't have written it as dramatically as I did in that post

[Mars 2,373]

On 1/7/2020 at 11:50 AM, Galvon said:

Lol the contrast between these two:

From 2:25 to 3:33 and 8:26 to 9:43 and in part 2  from 0:17 to  0:43

Then this one (almost a decade later!!) from 10:23 to 11:05

 

I don't really see your point here, there's almost 10 years difference between these videos. 

She was super young, dedicated to her cause but also kinda naive. You can look at every pop star that had this "artistic vision" for themselves and see that actually its a lot of very hard work to keep up and keep momentum - Bowie, Madonna, Prince, Elton and the list goes on. What I'm trying to say is that it was bound to happen - you seriously thought she would spend her entire life living this art form dream in armadillo shoes??? Have some foresight.

Her priorities changed, she became more mindful and listened to what she had to do, all this time going to sleep each night in chronic pain. You cannot imagine living her lifestyle. 

Let her do what she wants to do and what makes her happy - its obvious she was sad for a long time.

She still loves impact and expression - that has never changed and it never will, its just more measured now and actually its on a much bigger scale - she is an icon now and doesn't need to prove herself constantly like before.

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56 minutes ago, Mars said:

I don't really see your point here, there's almost 10 years difference between these videos. 

She was super young, dedicated to her cause but also kinda naive. You can look at every pop star that had this "artistic vision" for themselves and see that actually its a lot of very hard work to keep up and keep momentum - Bowie, Madonna, Prince, Elton and the list goes on. What I'm trying to say is that it was bound to happen - you seriously thought she would spend her entire life living this art form dream in armadillo shoes??? Have some foresight.

Her priorities changed, she became more mindful and listened to what she had to do, all this time going to sleep each night in chronic pain. You cannot imagine living her lifestyle. 

Let her do what she wants to do and what makes her happy - its obvious she was sad for a long time.

She still loves impact and expression - that has never changed and it never will, its just more measured now and actually its on a much bigger scale - she is an icon now and doesn't need to prove herself constantly like before.

Umm, I never said or thought all these things you said. I just shared two clips to show the difference.

I thought it was kinda funny actually, how different they are from eachother. I don't mind the change at all. I allready made clear in my post that 10 years have past between the two clips. I'm not stupid.

A lot of people here were being dramatic, so I shared these clips to visualise more. I just like the Irony around it. Gaga isn't that different, like yeah "the show must go on" but her health comes first, I know that too. I'm not complaining.

[Mars 2,373]

10 minutes ago, Galvon said:

Umm, I never said or thought all these things you said. I just shared two clips to show the difference.

I thought it was kinda funny actually, how different they are from eachother. I don't mind the change at all. I allready made clear in my post that 10 years have past between the two clips. I'm not stupid.

A lot of people here were being dramatic, so I shared these clips to visualise more. I just like the Irony around it. Gaga isn't that different, like yeah "the show must go on" but her health comes first, I know that too. I'm not complaining.

Well sorry about that, but there wasn't much context and there is so much negativity surrounding Gaga right now in threads like these so I was triggered! - It wasn't directed at you personally 

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On 1/7/2020 at 9:38 AM, Didymus said:

 

Of course she changes. But she can change into a superior version of herself like many artists do, because they feel less pressure to prove themselves commercially or whatever. Maybe as they get older they just like to focus more on what really heals them, what really drives them. That's when you get the big reinventions like Madonna's on Ray of Light, like Beyoncé's on Lemonade.

Gaga never had that album. Because she was too concerned with winning awards and grabbing back the spotlight after it was taken from her. Why can't I point that out?

She is making that album now.

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5 hours ago, bluemonkey said:

Yeah Lady Gaga was supposed to be a persona and it’s something for her to hide under so she can be outrageous or whatever and it’ll make sense. I don’t expect her to always be in an avant-garde costume every era but it seems everything is safe now and lack of creativity. It just seems she isn’t as inspired as she was back then. She was more driven back then and that help spark some of that creativity because she had to stand out

Lots of artists lose their creativity as the get older. Ke$ha is a good recent example. It's really okay.

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On 1/12/2020 at 2:04 AM, FameHookah said:

Her vocal peak omg she sounded SO GOOD 

her best live Telephone vocals and that's a fact. UGH. the serve