Ronk 14,760 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 3 hours ago, crisTEAne said: that just proves what i've been saying: she's a performer first. writing and releasing music wouldn't be enough for her. unfortunately, now she also has to listen to her body, not just her creative mind, because she literally can't take it. idk what this means in terms of touring in the future, but if vegas is the best/only viable option, she can say goodbye to building a global legacy. she's just not there. and her fans aren't, rather: can't really be, there either. i love her very much, but how tf should i take my broke uni ass across the other hemisphere to see her? she's paying the price. i'm paying the price. but it's not the price of a vegas ticket. it's that of being gaga and a little monster. Yes, she has even commented years ago that she is born for the stage and to be there with her fans. This entire situation is so tragic. Fans are hurting, and you know it hurts Gaga very much emotionally to not be there for her fans worldwide. We can only hope her situation improves. Medical science keeps coming up with new things. We can hope. And pray she finds relief from her pain. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQueenEnthusiast 937 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Rolodex of Hate said: Omg really!!! I'm finding it so interesting! my paper specifically was focused on diva worship within the 2010s decade. I focused on gaga, Beyonce, Rihanna and Nicki Minaj. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresco 1,688 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Remember when Robert Pattinson wore the same clothes every time he went out. The paparazzi couldn't sell the pictures because they all looked the same. I think she was saying trainwreck in terms of the rubbernecking response from people. How people slow down when driving by and can't stop themselves from looking at a wreck and talking about it later. Kind of the point of shock pop. I don't need her to take illegal substances to get into an altered state of mind just to entertain me. If any of you do, your choice. There is at least 1 David Letterman interview that went sideways. Several others too, no need to name them. I also don't need her to wear haute couture everytime she leaves the house to get groceries. ( That stuff can be impractical, uncomfortable, laughable, and unusually expensive. ) It can also be an unusual conversation piece for someone that wants to be in the spotlight (shrug). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 21 hours ago, derpmonster said: "Neptune Go Now serve Pluto Saturn Jupiter Mercury, Venus - uh ha! Uranus! Don't you know my ass is famous? Mars Now serve for the gods Earth, serve for the stars!" Indeed much better lyrics than, say, Diamond Heart, Sinner's Prayer, Hey Girl, Just Another Day, Angel Down. That was an intentionally ludicrous part/song though 21 hours ago, derpmonster said: edit: you said TIHTY was for an Oscar? Are you out of your f*cking mind? That's the single most powerful song she has made and will forever be her legacy. It's not a cute look to imply that a sexual assault survivor's performance of a song about the topic is inauthentic. I've gone through it and I know it's real. I didn't mean to say she made the song to win an Oscar. She definitely didn't. But that she and Diane went out of their way to secure that Oscar after they finished the song is undeniable and it was dis-gus-ting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derpmonster 22,412 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Didymus said: That was an intentionally ludicrous part/song though I didn't mean to say she made the song to win an Oscar. She definitely didn't. But that she and Diane went out of their way to secure that Oscar after they finished the song is undeniable and it was dis-gus-ting. Gaga has always cared about awards and there's nothing disgusting about campaigning for your work. This isn't new. Grow up. Check out iTunes data & graphs at CHARTPOP.live Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freemymindARTPOP 2,455 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 21 hours ago, Rolodex of Hate said: It's interesting to read all the replies here in reponse to my OP, and nice to read everyone's opinions. I guess to me it just felt a bit like Gaga was rejecting her past 'crazy' self in favour of her newer, more lady-like, toned-down self which she seems to think is kinder, braver etc. And I struggle with that because her past extravagant self meant so much to those of us who felt different, whereas now it feels like she wants to fit in. I might be overthinking it, just get the impression that she's not as fond of the past Gaga as we all are (I know that's because of her health struggles, but I mean more her public persona). i feel the same way as you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 21,030 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 8 hours ago, Didymus said: That was an intentionally ludicrous part/song though I didn't mean to say she made the song to win an Oscar. She definitely didn't. But that she and Diane went out of their way to secure that Oscar after they finished the song is undeniable and it was dis-gus-ting. She literally said, “You nominate the song, you nominate the issue” and I think she meant it. What’s disgusting about wanting to win an Academy Award for writing a song that empowers trauma survivors? She’s always acknowledged her public presence and persona as a means of elevating others, like her talking about the ‘freaks’ becoming the ‘cool kids at the party’ when she swept the VMAs in 2010 and the iconic, “We did it kids” moment. We have forgotten our public MANNERS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 9 hours ago, derpmonster said: Gaga has always cared about awards and there's nothing disgusting about campaigning for your work. This isn't new. Grow up. Sure, the person who thinks awards don't validate individuals should grow up. Ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 5 hours ago, zebulonpyke said: She literally said, “You nominate the song, you nominate the issue” and I think she meant it. What’s disgusting about wanting to win an Academy Award for writing a song that empowers trauma survivors? She’s always acknowledged her public presence and persona as a means of elevating others, like her talking about the ‘freaks’ becoming the ‘cool kids at the party’ when she swept the VMAs in 2010 and the iconic, “We did it kids” moment. Because she could've made sure the song was promoted in other ways, reaching a bigger public But she literally ditched that song as soon as the Oscars were over. She has never mentioned it again, has never performed it again, and almost dropped the assault subject too since she's now in favor of focusing on mental health in general. Not to mention only an undisclosed portion (!) of the song's proceeds went to charity, and that charity didn't even go mentioned How can you say she couldn't have done more, had she been truly, genuinely passionate about the subject? A laugh. All of her actions (in hindsight) indicate that, while the inspiration might have been genuine and heartfelt, the choices she made were for her own benefit and not for the benefit of the actual cause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 21,030 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, Didymus said: Because she could've made sure the song was promoted in other ways, reaching a bigger public But she literally ditched that song as soon as the Oscars were over. She has never mentioned it again, has never performed it again, and almost dropped the assault subject too since she's now in favor of focusing on mental health in general. Not to mention only an undisclosed portion (!) of the song's proceeds went to charity, and that charity didn't even go mentioned How can you say she couldn't have done more, had she been truly, genuinely passionate about the subject? A laugh. All of her actions indicate that, while the inspiration might have been genuine and heartfelt, the choices she made were for her own benefit and not for the benefit of the actual cause. Much love. I respect you for voicing your opinion, I just don’t really want to get into an argument about this because that performance means a lot to me and I would rather not fight about it because it gives me solace. Goodnight. We have forgotten our public MANNERS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derpmonster 22,412 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, Didymus said: Sure, the person who thinks awards don't validate individuals should grow up. Ok. No one said it validates her as a person. You're the queen of strawman attacks. 9 minutes ago, Didymus said: Because she could've made sure the song was promoted in other ways, reaching a bigger public But she literally ditched that song as soon as the Oscars were over. She has never mentioned it again, has never performed it again, and almost dropped the assault subject too since she's now in favor of focusing on mental health in general. Not to mention only an undisclosed portion (!) of the song's proceeds went to charity, and that charity didn't even go mentioned How can you say she couldn't have done more, had she been truly, genuinely passionate about the subject? A laugh. All of her actions indicate that, while the inspiration might have been genuine and heartfelt, the choices she made were for her own benefit and not for the benefit of the actual cause. Her feelings on the subject can't be faked. Every time she talks about it, she's on the verge of tears. Have you once considered the song could be triggering even for herself? It's simply too painful to go through every time and she may not want to. Yes, she cared about the award, so what? Which artist doesn't? You're being so daft on purpose. She literally said in the Oprah video the court deposition (aka Kesha's rape case where she made extremely passionate statements on the issue) was the last time she was massively triggered and it led to Rock in Rio being cancelled. Your unempathetic attitude is sickening. There's something to be said about giving an issue your everything and then moving on. It's healthy for trauma. Also, it's pretty obvious the charity she was associated with was ItsOnUs. Don't make up issues. And you seem to hate literally everything about her after claiming you don't. You seem to think she's selfish and all about money and doesn't care. Why are you on this site again? People would LOVE your posts at MadonnaNation, please go there and find whatever validation you need. Or maybe you just want to feed your awful and obnoxious superiority complex further. The song had impact. It reached international audiences. I'm from across the world and hadn't heard a single Gaga song other than Poker Face and I heard TIHTY organically because it made headlines. Check out iTunes data & graphs at CHARTPOP.live Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derpmonster 22,412 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, zebulonpyke said: Much love. I respect you for voicing your opinion, I just don’t really want to get into an argument about this because that performance means a lot to me and I would rather not fight about it because it gives me solace. Goodnight. They have an agenda and it's to paint her as a greedy, fake, selfish person. Nothing will convince them. As The Countess once said, "Ignore her, she drinks." Check out iTunes data & graphs at CHARTPOP.live Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, derpmonster said: Her feelings on the subject can't be faked. Every time she talks about it, she's on the verge of tears. I didn't question her emotions, just her actions. 1 minute ago, derpmonster said: Have you once considered the song could be triggering even for herself? It's simply too painful to go through every time and she may not want to. I have considered it but then I waved those thoughts away because she performed that song multiple times in the course of a few weeks, and went out of her way to talk about the issue constantly (on camera). If she can handle such a concentrated "mini-era" dedicated to the subject, then I can't see why she can't perform it today. It sure would fit in in Enigma for instance 2 minutes ago, derpmonster said: Your unempathetic attitude is sickening. How am I being unempathic though? I'm just telling you: why did she drop the song after the Oscars? Why did she only donate an undisclosed portion (probably like 1%) of that song to an unspecified charity? That's weird, you can't deny that's weird. That made me question everything about that mini-era, esp. since it appeared right in her rebranding phase and was connected to Woman of the Year and Oscars and ****. I just don't believe she'd have opened up about the subject if it was on a smaller scale with no publicity. Maybe that's not the most empathic thing to believe, but I don't know the woman so I can't be the judge of that. And neither can you 5 minutes ago, derpmonster said: Also, it's pretty obvious the charity she was associated with was ItsOnUs. How? 5 minutes ago, derpmonster said: Why are you on this site again? People would LOVE your posts at MadonnaNation, please go there and find whatever validation you need. Or maybe you just want to feed your awful and obnoxious superiority complex further. Here we go again with this crap Madonna fans hate me 'cause I treat her just the same, i.e. I'm critical and I don't pamper celebs. Go on feed your own awful and obnoxious superiority complex with your posts here, I'm not stopping you. It's obvious you're seeking validation from the illusion you're defending your pal Gaga even though she will never acknowledge you, know you, or care. This is just a forum ffs. My opinion is valid, esp. since I explain it and back it up with perspective and a lack of hate. Can't handle that? Then you get out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derpmonster 22,412 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, Didymus said: It sure would fit in in Enigma for instance TIHTY would fit in Enigma? We know you hate the show but seems like you haven't even watched it. 10 minutes ago, Didymus said: *wrong quote* meant to quote the part about ItsOnUs It's (itsonus) all over the website and at the end of the TIHTY official music video sis. Don't act or be dumb about an issue you're so opinionated about, not cute. 10 minutes ago, Didymus said: Go on feed your own awful and obnoxious superiority complex with your posts here, I'm not stopping you. It's obvious you're seeking validation from the illusion you're defending your pal Gaga even though she will never acknowledge you, know you, or care. This is just a forum ffs. My opinion is valid, esp. since I explain it and back it up with perspective and a lack of hate. Can't handle that? Then you get out. Yeah yeah because you're the only smart person who knows how to think critically here. Everyone else is just dumb and sycophantic under the illusion she might acknowledge them (Hint: nope lol). It's your obnoxious superiority complex and is in every single post of yours. You're attacking a sexual assault survivor, activist, and fans of her who are also survivors for their belief that it was a genuine agenda and when people are obviously riled up because it's a sensitive subject for them, you call it "hate"? Stay classy, sis. A page right out of the book of "Black Lives Matter are the real hateful ones" crowd. Check out iTunes data & graphs at CHARTPOP.live Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, derpmonster said: TIHTY would fit in Enigma? We know you hate the show but seems like you haven't even watched it. Enigma is literally about healing after a major trauma, so... I don't know, have you watched it? 7 minutes ago, derpmonster said: It's all over the website and at the end of the TIHTY official music video sis. Don't act or be dumb about an issue you're so opinionated about, not cute. "A portion of proceeds from the sale of the song will be donated to organizations helping survivors of sexual assault." 7 minutes ago, derpmonster said: Yeah yeah because you're the only smart person who knows how to think critically here. Everyone else is just dumb and sycophantic under the illusion she might acknowledge them I never said or thought that. 7 minutes ago, derpmonster said: You're attacking a sexual assault survivor, activist, and fans of her who are also survivors for their belief that it was a genuine agenda and when people are obviously riled up because it's a sensitive subject for them, you call it "hate"? Stay classy, sis. A page right out of the book of "Black Lives Matter are the real hateful ones" crowd. I'm not attacking her. I'm just saying I doubt her intentions were 100% pure based on a few odd pages in the story. If the only thing you can come up with to answer my "why did she completely drop this song after the Oscars?" question is: "well, I dunno, erm... maybe, erm.. maybe it trigged her?" then, what, I'm supposed to be completely reassured? It's exactly because I do care about the subject that I'm so sensitive about it. And you don't know about my personal history and those of the people I love so don't you tell me I'm attacking survivors, how dare you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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