joannesrats 26 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, LadariousGarage said: ...but they all have gender dysphoria They literally don't? I know many trans people and have been trans for years and they do not experience body dysmorphia. You cannot sit there and say that all trans people do not experience body dysmorphia when that is not the case. You cannot generalize a whole group as that when that is factually untrue. If you are going to speak about these issues, at least be further educated on the topics in the year 2020. You're talking about it like you're in 1997. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadariousGarage 1 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Just now, PhillipBagshaw said: Gender isn't binary and neither is sex. sex is your biology, if u have a d*ck you are biologically male, if u have a v*g u are biologically female, unless you are intersex, which being intersex is a medical condition, sex is 100% binary and you are born this a male or female brain, countless studies prove that, so gender is binary gender expression is NOT binary however, but your gender expression and gender identity are very different Lets do it baby I know the Law Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antichrist 9,818 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Just now, PhillipBagshaw said: They literally don't? I know many trans people and have been trans for years and they do not experience body dysmorphia. You cannot sit there and say that all trans people do not experience body dysmorphia when that is not the case. You cannot generalize a whole group as that when that is factually untrue. If you are going to speak about these issues, at least be further educated on the topics in the year 2020. You're talking about it like you're in 1997. to what are they transitioning then? between 'non binary genders'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadariousGarage 1 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 minute ago, PhillipBagshaw said: They literally don't? I know many trans people and have been trans for years and they do not experience body dysmorphia. You cannot sit there and say that all trans people do not experience body dysmorphia when that is not the case. You cannot generalize a whole group as that when that is factually untrue. If you are going to speak about these issues, at least be further educated on the topics in the year 2020. You're talking about it like you're in 1997. I never said that all trans people experience Body Dymorphia, body dysmorphia and gender dysphoria are 2 very different things Lets do it baby I know the Law Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joannesrats 26 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Antichrist said: where can i look up some scientific proof that nonbinary, first of all, exists, and that those said people are trans? would be a nice read, thanks in advance. Unfortunately there are not really any empirical studies on nonbinary people, but the definition of trans is equatable to people that do not align with their gender assigned at birth. These people exist, that isn't debatable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joannesrats 26 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 minute ago, LadariousGarage said: sex is your biology, if u have a d*ck you are biologically male, if u have a v*g u are biologically female, unless you are intersex, which being intersex is a medical condition, sex is 100% binary and you are born this a male or female brain, countless studies prove that, so gender is binary gender expression is NOT binary however, but your gender expression and gender identity are very different Gender expression and gender are not the same. Gender isn't real and can change depending upon what society you are born and raised in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antichrist 9,818 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Just now, PhillipBagshaw said: Unfortunately there are not really any empirical studies on nonbinary people, but the definition of trans is equatable to people that do not align with their gender assigned at birth. These people exist, that isn't debatable. so how do we know something is valid if there is no proof of said validity? once again, nobody is saying people don't exist for ****s sake, their condition might be false, that's what i'm saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joannesrats 26 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Antichrist said: to what are they transitioning then? between 'non binary genders'? Transgender people do not have to medically transition to be trans. However, there are some nonbinary people, such as a professor of mine, that did elect to get their breasts removed and undergo testosterone therapy and still identify as nonbinary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joannesrats 26 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Just now, Antichrist said: so how do we know something is valid if there is no proof of said validity? once again, nobody is saying people don't exist for ****s sake, their condition might be false, that's what i'm saying. It's not a condition? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antichrist 9,818 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, PhillipBagshaw said: It's not a condition? something that affects your life to the point of not being able to live, such as actual trans people, yes, that is a medical condition. that is the whole point of transitioning. in a hospital. under medical surveillance. if you find offense in the simplest of fact that a thing that brings you immense suffering until you fix it is a condition, then by all means go for it. however, you completely ignored my question. how do we know something is valid if there is no empiric proof of said validity? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadariousGarage 1 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, PhillipBagshaw said: Gender expression and gender are not the same. Gender isn't real and can change depending upon what society you are born and raised in. gender isn't real? ummmmm what is your gender identity, your answer is your gender Lets do it baby I know the Law Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanybb 1,235 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 31 minutes ago, PhillipBagshaw said: You didn't listen. It is not your place to tell someone if they are trans or not. That is not your job, that is theirs. Point blank. I don't have to listen to anything you say because I'm not letting a cis gay male lecture me on what he thinks a trans woman is. You wouldn't expect a white person to lecture a black person on what it means to be black. Letting anyone become trans allows predators and fetishists to claim trans identifies. There is LITERAL evidence on this. You are clearly firm in your "definition" but you seem pressed sweetie, have a snickers xo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanybb 1,235 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 also, non binary and people who don't medically transition are valid in their humanity 110% BUT that doesn't make them a trans woman or man + you can't be NB and call yourself trans because that's a complete contradiction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamourpuss 29,062 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 43 minutes ago, PhillipBagshaw said: It would be helpful if you used HER correct pronouns. I said at the end didn't I, that I realised my mistake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhettoFabulous 18,501 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 3 hours ago, LadariousGarage said: as someone who is seeing a gender identity therapist for gender dysphoria, it is harmful and it is harmful for a lot of people questioning, or cis people who think they are trans when they are not and will transition, and end up detransition because it was the wrong choice it is harmful period. I get that you and that other users are probably coming from good places but until you live the trans experience...no words...no sciences...nothing can describe how it really feels...now I’m telling you and I’m closing off by saying this...we do not need validation from cis people or anything like that they’ll never accept us no matter how much we try prove we are valid. Instead arguing with a trans woman on trans issues maybe try educating yourself and broadening your mind a little more? I’m really not trying to argue or anything but like seriously.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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