A message for all the Enigma haters

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22 minutes ago, Deagan said:

How about you don't put words in my mouth. 

Her ventures? You really believe it's been a dream of hers to be used to make other people money? Or that it is even really hers? She has argued against her own current ventures plenty of time, and always swore that she had an intimate relationship with her fans. 

I don't wish it for her, but I fear it will happen. If she keeps doing these cheap moneygrab things, her fans will leave her, and that always seemed to me the worst thing that could happen to her... to be just the industry product "Gaga" without any relation to who she truly is and what she stands for at all.

Enigma isn't even a creative outlet for her. She's performing old hits. Day after day. Same routine. 

Unless everything she said was just a lie? "i'm just glad to be making music".

Well Gaga, your voice is angelic. Use it to make music.

Ventures aren't synonymous with dreams, that's not what I was getting at and you know it. If Gaga comes out someday and tells us that everything she's currently doing (Enigma, HL, etc) was against her will and that she was not happy doing it then great, I'll support her but from all the information we have right now she seems happy to be doing what she's doing not to mention it seems to be beneficial to her health.

You can't live your life acting like Gaga's every second and breath is owed to us. It's not. She's a grown woman with wants and needs and it's clear that she loves us very much, regardless of how "disconnected" you claim she seems to be.

Perhaps you're projecting your frustrations with her career choices onto this supposed group of fans that will leave her. Perhaps you want to leave her. Do what makes you happy, nobody's gonna judge you. No one's forced to stick around and follow every move of a person who they don't enjoy anymore and it's not healthy to feel so entitled to someone else's life and the decisions they make.

That's a concerning attitude you have, honestly.

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1 hour ago, Deagan said:

Get your head out of your ***, you definitely need luck to make it as big as Gaga.

This is the same as saying that every billionaire is self-made. Please. Gaga was handed a career by Interscope. And again, never ever did I state that she is not talented or hard working. But you don't seem to realize that there are A LOT of talented incredible singers out there that you will never ever see record a music video.

Anyway, I love her for what she has always done for her fans. She inspired people. Selling make-up doesn't inspire people. She doesn't even really connect with us anymore like she used to.

 

Anyway you can all come for me for saying it, but the number of "thx" responses to "imagine how tired we are" tells me something.

Luck is not a requirement for making it big.  Lots of talent and hard work can do it.  Please do not diminish Gaga by claiming her career was due to luck.  Also, two years of hard work writing and performing songs and collaborations that made her talent known enough to be suggested to Interscope should not be ignored.  She had already proven her talent well before she was hired by Interscope.  And around that time, independent from Interscope she was writing songs for other talented artists for Sony.  

I would never diminish any artists by speculating they needed luck.   I know that Gaga made her career from talent and hard work, and from perseverance of not giving up after rejections.  She was not handed her career.

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10 hours ago, Ronk said:

Luck is not a requirement for making it big.  Lots of talent and hard work can do it.  Please do not diminish Gaga by claiming her career was due to luck.  Also, two years of hard work writing and performing songs and collaborations that made her talent known enough to be suggested to Interscope should not be ignored.  She had already proven her talent well before she was hired by Interscope.  And around that time, independent from Interscope she was writing songs for other talented artists for Sony.  

I would never diminish any artists by speculating they needed luck.   I know that Gaga made her career from talent and hard work, and from perseverance of not giving up after rejections.  She was not handed her career.

God you're delusional. Yes, you do need luck. She was handed a career. I'm not diminishing anything. You are. She would still be doing bikini shows with Lady Starlight if Interscope never went for it. And if we didn't stan like the little gay stanlets we are, she would have never gone anywhere. 

 

Point is: given her statements about certain things in the past and her relationship in the past, it is definitely ok to expect something from her.

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12 hours ago, nenhures said:

Ventures aren't synonymous with dreams, that's not what I was getting at and you know it. If Gaga comes out someday and tells us that everything she's currently doing (Enigma, HL, etc) was against her will and that she was not happy doing it then great, I'll support her but from all the information we have right now she seems happy to be doing what she's doing not to mention it seems to be beneficial to her health.

You can't live your life acting like Gaga's every second and breath is owed to us. It's not. She's a grown woman with wants and needs and it's clear that she loves us very much, regardless of how "disconnected" you claim she seems to be.

Perhaps you're projecting your frustrations with her career choices onto this supposed group of fans that will leave her. Perhaps you want to leave her. Do what makes you happy, nobody's gonna judge you. No one's forced to stick around and follow every move of a person who they don't enjoy anymore and it's not healthy to feel so entitled to someone else's life and the decisions they make.

That's a concerning attitude you have, honestly.

It seems to be beneficial to her health? What, do you know something I don't?

Perhaps this, perhaps that, why don't you just stop making up things?

Concerning attitude? Just because you can't accept that a majority of fans hate enigma!

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13 hours ago, Stefglory said:

LMAO Enigma is a huge success and Haus Labs are the highest selling make up in Amazon. What are you even talking about..  Just because you are sulking over her not being like 2011 Gaga and touring worldwide, you don't get to change reality.  And she's gonna be just fine so ease up with the faux concern after you've trashed her career 🙄

Hopefully LG6 will finally cause these  snowflakes to drop off. I don't know how you could be a genuine fan of hers and not be completely proud of her and amazed at how her career has turned out. I think she is an astonishing talent and star  and some of y'all won't ever appreciate what you have until it's gone. 

What are you reading that I am not writing?

Enigma is a success? Sales wise? Sure. Next to that, it's a tacky show (opinion). How is that trashing her career.

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13 hours ago, Stefglory said:

Imagine taking reactions on gagadaily posts seriously and as a barometer of the global attitude towards an artist. I have to laugh!!!! 

I never did. It shows me how her fans feel about this. Keep laughing. 

Stop pretending like people can't have an opinion on what Gaga has been doing lately.

You guys would flock to her ass and eat the honey off even if she started selling Trump ties tomorrow.

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3 hours ago, Deagan said:

It seems to be beneficial to her health? What, do you know something I don't?

Perhaps this, perhaps that, why don't you just stop making up things?

Concerning attitude? Just because you can't accept that a majority of fans hate enigma!

She has chronic pain? And touring clearly takes a toll on her body? And she's had to cancel several shows because of it? And Enigma provides a better schedule with the added benefit of not having to get on a plane every other day while still allowing her to perform? But it's still a temporary thing and it's not like she's given up on the rest of the world?

Do I have to point out the obvious?

But anyway, I have no interest in further engaging in a discussion with you since it's pretty clear you're adamant on defending your stances no matter how many times people point out your arguments don't make sense and then just pull the "you're making stuff up" card.

Have a good day, hope your bitterness subsides.

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On 12/29/2019 at 10:47 PM, ThatBinch said:

Yeah, I can sort of get that. I guess you have to be there to understand it. 

You're trolling, right?

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31 minutes ago, Suspiria said:

You're trolling, right?

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3 hours ago, Deagan said:

God you're delusional. Yes, you do need luck. She was handed a career. I'm not diminishing anything. You are. She would still be doing bikini shows with Lady Starlight if Interscope never went for it. And if we didn't stan like the little gay stanlets we are, she would have never gone anywhere. 

 

Point is: given her statements about certain things in the past and her relationship in the past, it is definitely ok to expect something from her.

Labels pick artists that have already proven they have talent that may make money for the label.  It's business, not luck.  Labels support their artists, and that is also for business reasons, not luck.  Fans support their faves because they found they like the music and the entertainment and often because they also like the artist.  Fans do not make the artist, it's the artist's talent that creates fans.

It takes a lot of hard work to get to the point where a label will sign.  It also takes perseverance to keep trying after rejections.  Some talented artists may not have been willing to go through all that.  Some insight into Gaga's quest to make it is at 3:50 into this interview:

 

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On 1/3/2020 at 10:45 AM, MaryJaneHolland said:

This forum has become so tough to be on.

Your profile pic, baby yoda has taste. 

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On 1/4/2020 at 5:34 PM, nenhures said:

She has chronic pain? And touring clearly takes a toll on her body? And she's had to cancel several shows because of it? And Enigma provides a better schedule with the added benefit of not having to get on a plane every other day while still allowing her to perform? But it's still a temporary thing and it's not like she's given up on the rest of the world?

Do I have to point out the obvious?

But anyway, I have no interest in further engaging in a discussion with you since it's pretty clear you're adamant on defending your stances no matter how many times people point out your arguments don't make sense and then just pull the "you're making stuff up" card.

Have a good day, hope your bitterness subsides.

Since when is fibro not a thing that you suffer from every day? What does that have to do with a plane? Just because you make assumptions that Enigma is better for her, doesn't mean it's actually true. She's performing physical shows, i'm pretty sure she suffers doing those shows just as much as she would performing on a tour.

Good that you're not willing to discuss any further because the only thing you manage to do is ad hominems.. calling me bitter, saying that my arguments don't make sense, thinking that your statements are "obvious" while you have not the slightest idea of what's behind Gaga's decision making, or how she truly feels about this.

If I judge her based on the character i've seen from her (not wanting to let her fans down for the VMAs for example), I think she knows that this will hurt a part of her fans, and that many are sad over this news.

 

On 1/4/2020 at 6:36 PM, Ronk said:

Labels pick artists that have already proven they have talent that may make money for the label.  It's business, not luck.  Labels support their artists, and that is also for business reasons, not luck.  Fans support their faves because they found they like the music and the entertainment and often because they also like the artist.  Fans do not make the artist, it's the artist's talent that creates fans.

It takes a lot of hard work to get to the point where a label will sign.  It also takes perseverance to keep trying after rejections.  Some talented artists may not have been willing to go through all that.  Some insight into Gaga's quest to make it is at 3:50 into this interview:

Now here is something you're saying that I can get on board with. Exactly. music is business. She is used to make people money. Business and luck don't mutually exclude each other. Being signed to any kind of business or to have an employer be interested in you is not just a matter of doing good business, but it's definitely also a matter of being lucky enough to get "picked". Gaga definitely worked hard but in the end she owes it to us that she is as wealthy and successful as she is, and she knows it.

Then, considering that "labels support their artists" thing.. This is just as often not the case as it is. It saddened me to see how they were willing to roll out ads all over NY for BTW, but when ARTPOP came around, or Joanne, I mean.. people don't even know about those Gaga albums. How Kesha was being snubbed by her label during that entire Dr. Luke suit, how Taylor Swift is constantly fighting with her label over royalties and being able to perform certain songs or not...

Now, to get back to my point: if music is business, then we are the consumers of Gaga as a business. We shape the demand and the target audience for her business.. so that is a two-way street, where we can tell her (as stakeholders) what we want from her, and she can decide what she wants to give us. As someone that has bought tickets to see her live, bought all of her albums, sure, I can say as a dissapointed fan that I am not happy over this Enigma news.. and this is just a matter of opinion, so accept that.

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7 hours ago, Deagan said:

Now here is something you're saying that I can get on board with. Exactly. music is business. She is used to make people money. Business and luck don't mutually exclude each other. Being signed to any kind of business or to have an employer be interested in you is not just a matter of doing good business, but it's definitely also a matter of being lucky enough to get "picked". Gaga definitely worked hard but in the end she owes it to us that she is as wealthy and successful as she is, and she knows it.

Then, considering that "labels support their artists" thing.. This is just as often not the case as it is. It saddened me to see how they were willing to roll out ads all over NY for BTW, but when ARTPOP came around, or Joanne, I mean.. people don't even know about those Gaga albums. How Kesha was being snubbed by her label during that entire Dr. Luke suit, how Taylor Swift is constantly fighting with her label over royalties and being able to perform certain songs or not...

Now, to get back to my point: if music is business, then we are the consumers of Gaga as a business. We shape the demand and the target audience for her business.. so that is a two-way street, where we can tell her (as stakeholders) what we want from her, and she can decide what she wants to give us. As someone that has bought tickets to see her live, bought all of her albums, sure, I can say as a dissapointed fan that I am not happy over this Enigma news.. and this is just a matter of opinion, so accept that.

We do agree on some things, but we look at some things differently.  I feel labels pick the artists they feel will make them the most money, and Interscope felt she would.   Earlier she was dropped by Def Jam, but she kept trying.  If Interscope had rejected her she would have kept trying.  I feel her career is not due to luck, but is due to her having enough talent for Interscope to feel she would make them money.

The amount of money labels spend to support an artist at any given time is also a business decision based on fluctuating circumstances.  We feel badly that sometimes labels decided to spend less on Gaga and Kesha.  They felt their money was more wisely spent on other artists at the time.  If the business metric changes, the labels will decide differently.

Many people feel fan support makes Gaga indebted to her fans.  I feel differently.  I buy multiple physical copies of her albums, attend her concerts, and stream tf out of her songs at the appropriate times.   But that support is my choice because of her talent.  Her talent, the quality of everything she does, and what she like as a person is what makes fans want to support her.   She is the cause of her success. 

We all have preferences of what music we would like.  For me, that's more jazz.  But she owes us nothing, and as you say, "she can decide".  And health must always be the biggest consideration.

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On 12/29/2019 at 6:41 AM, Didymus said:

the instant she [leaves] the stage, leaving in her wake the equivalent of dead air while she and the entourage gea[r] up for another set piece" (LA Times)

On 12/29/2019 at 6:30 AM, Madling said:

tantrum-throwing "fans" who expect her to turn down an opportunity that suits her financially, professionally and personally.

She's doing two shows in Vegas though Most fans who don't like Enigma are actually very supportive of the Jazz & Piano shows so how do you respond to that with your "logic"? She could've easily taken the opportunity to perform in Vegas by just doing that show. And I would've much preferred that scenario, so how am I throwing a tantrum about her performing in Vegas? This isn't about Vegas, it's about her putting on a bad pop show. Stop deflecting.

all this unnecessary strikethrough is sending me