Rihanna as a Pop Star

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Inb4 you get bullied   because every tongue that rises up against godesses of pop aka rihanna and beyonce shall fall if you state 1 (one) negative thought about them

 She definitely isn't as good as she's given credit but the more  pop music went generic and the more  $hite songs/artists became succesful over years i started liking her more because she usually serves quality content.

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She is a LEGEND! Not “manufactured.” Sure she wasn’t involved in other albums but now she is and that’s all that matters, cause she started young. Ha music is iconique!
 

No stage presence  Gurl... fake news. As far as dancing, she’s alright a lot better that most artists (eg. Taylor, Katy, Ariana etc.) 

So yes Rihanna is 100% that b*tch ty 

[StrawberryBlond 14,900]

I've always said that she's done amazingly well for someone with extremely limited talent. It's ironic that just as her music started getting good again was when she chose to take a break. I weirdly miss her now which goes to show how stepping out for a while can help improve public perception. It feels like she's letting her music career slide these days but I figure it makes up for all the undeserved success she got for years. Not saying she didn't deserve any of it but someone who doesn't even write their own stuff most of the time, is a lazy performer and has such a bad attitude doesn't deserve continued success in my opinion. Savage, I know, but that's just how I feel.

6 hours ago, Little Fighter said:

She has over 50 song writing credits. I don't think choreographed dancing is really her thing , which is okay. She doesn't need to be great at everything to be a great pop star. It seems like a lot of the time she dances to have fun on stage, which is something I like. She's not forcing herself to do a lot of things at once which I think makes her the opposite of manufactured. If she were manufactured, I don't think she would be as openly blunt as she is. 

Most of her songwriting credits involve her writing one line. That's all it takes to get a writing credit these days. You can even buy your way onto the credits of a song you didn't write (Beyonce tried to do that with a Sia song but she stood her ground). And personally, I think she's as blunt as she is because she doesn't really have anything to lose at this point. She wasn't as opinionated back in the day. It was only around the Loud era that she started changing.

5 hours ago, Thomas P said:

She’s an icon who is the baddest bitch of all the pop girls out there

That's precisely what gets me - this belief that she's a bad bitch. She just thinks she is. She talks tough but doesn't walk the walk. She has "thug life" tattooed on her fingers, she was never gang affiliated, that's such a try-hard move! And she's been so rude to people, even her own fans. That doesn't make you a bad bitch, just a rude one. And to my mind, if you're a bad bitch singer, you write your own songs, which she rarely does. I thought as a Gaga fan, you'd think she's the real deal. She's got everything Rihanna has and more.

5 hours ago, Banned User said:

Baby is you ok? How is she not a great singer when she has performances like these?

How is she not a great performer or dancer when she has performances like these?

Her dance abilities are much more coordinated than Gaga’s, for example. Her voice is much better than Britney’s. Her discography is a lo better than Katy’s. (All of these is, of course, MY opinion and only that, so those who act butthurt for everything, keep it to yourself). 

But what imo makes her great is that she’s the only ‘popstar’ that couldn’t be further from a manufactured product. She doesn’t create a ‘persona’ around her, she doesn’t think she’s a ‘queen’ or a ‘mother’ or any of the sort. She’s herself 100% always and that reflects in her music, her personality in interviews and performances. It’s what makes her fresh, unique and fun in the pop world.

Performances post-2012 were only possible after singing lessons. She couldn't sing well before that. I admire her for getting a bit better but it's not like she's on the level of Gaga or Ariana's vocals, so there's not much to praise. As for her dancing, she can only pull something out the bag when she's not danced in a while. It's easy to put on a good performance when you rarely do choreography and this is just a one-off special. If she did this for every song, then I'd be impressed. And how is she not a manufactured product? GGGB and Loud didn't have one song written by her on them and they were her biggest eras. I find it most ironic that whenever she takes a large level of artistic control (Rated R, Anti), the album under-performs. She's relied too much on the talent of others to get where she is. There's a reason she's sometimes considered a black version of Britney.

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8 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

That's precisely what gets me - this belief that she's a bad bitch. She just thinks she is. She talks tough but doesn't walk the walk. She has "thug life" tattooed on her fingers, she was never gang affiliated, that's such a try-hard move! 

You clearly don't know her background, what she had to deal back in Barbados and what's like to live there. You think you did something by writting that much, though! 

11 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

 And she's been so rude to people, even her own fans.

You like to made up stories to follow your narrative, don't you?  

12 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

And to my mind, if you're a bad bitch singer, you write your own songs, which she rarely does. I thought as a Gaga fan, you'd think she's the real deal. 

So you think Gaga is not the real deal because she didn't write Come to Mama, at all? There's no rules of being a "bad bitch"  you seriously like to pretend you know more than you think. 

14 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I've always said that she's done amazingly well for someone with extremely limited talent.

Lana Del Rey teas. She's a great songwriter, though!

15 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Performances post-2012 were only possible after singing lessons. She couldn't sing well before that. 

And so what?   she has improved over the years, like we all do. She always wanted to be a singer, she's always been passionate about it. And even then, she wasn't bad at all before 2012. Again, with the made up facts.

 

22 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

As for her dancing, she can only pull something out the bag when she's not danced in a while. It's easy to put on a good performance when you rarely do choreography and this is just a one-off special. 

That doesn't make sense at all. If you're a good dancer, you're a good dancer. These are just examples, she has demonstrated time and time that she's great at body memory, precision and stamina. 

26 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

And how is she not a manufactured product? GGGB and Loud didn't have one song written by her on them and they were her biggest eras. 

So you're that kind of person that thinks that every artist should write every single thing he sings. Well, that's your opinion on that, not a requirement to be labeled as good artist. It doesn't make less of an artist to Michael Jackson, or Whitney, or even Gaga after not writing  Til it happens to you and take credit for it or those songs on Joanne she didn't even touch. 

29 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I find it most ironic that whenever she takes a large level of artistic control (Rated R, Anti), the album under-performs. 

See, this is why I didn't even want to take time to reply to this, cause you clearly has no knowledge of what you're talking about. Anti is her most successful album since GGGB, both commercially successful and critically acclaimed. Can't believe it I made it up to here with all these made up facts.

31 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

She's relied too much on the talent of others to get where she is. There's a reason she's sometimes considered a black version of Britney.

Lana Del Rey is a lackluster singer, a TERRIBLE dancer and a mediocre performer, then somehow you give her a pass on all of it because of her songwriting, but somehow Rihanna doesn't deserve what she has achieved because she doesn't write most of her songs, even though she excels your fave in every other aspect, by FAR?  

Anyways       

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2 hours ago, Banned User said:

You clearly don't know her background, what she had to deal back in Barbados and what's like to live there. You think you did something by writting that much, though! 

You like to made up stories to follow your narrative, don't you?  

So you think Gaga is not the real deal because she didn't write Come to Mama, at all? There's no rules of being a "bad bitch"  you seriously like to pretend you know more than you think. 

Lana Del Rey teas. She's a great songwriter, though!

And so what?   she has improved over the years, like we all do. She always wanted to be a singer, she's always been passionate about it. And even then, she wasn't bad at all before 2012. Again, with the made up facts.

 

That doesn't make sense at all. If you're a good dancer, you're a good dancer. These are just examples, she has demonstrated time and time that she's great at body memory, precision and stamina. 

So you're that kind of person that thinks that every artist should write every single thing he sings. Well, that's your opinion on that, not a requirement to be labeled as good artist. It doesn't make less of an artist to Michael Jackson, or Whitney, or even Gaga after not writing  Til it happens to you and take credit for it or those songs on Joanne she didn't even touch. 

See, this is why I didn't even want to take time to reply to this, cause you clearly has no knowledge of what you're talking about. Anti is her most successful album since GGGB, both commercially successful and critically acclaimed. Can't believe it I made it up to here with all these made up facts.

Lana Del Rey is a lackluster singer, a TERRIBLE dancer and a mediocre performer, then somehow you give her a pass on all of it because of her songwriting, but somehow Rihanna doesn't deserve what she has achieved because she doesn't write most of her songs, even though she excels your fave in every other aspect, by FAR?  

Anyways       

She grew up selling clothes on her dad's market stall and went to school as normal, leaving early to pursue singing. Yes, her dad had issues but that was the only problem she encountered, she was never in any trouble with the law, nothing that would explain why she gets gun tattoos now.

I don't make up stories. She once slammed a fan's prom outfit on Twitter, even though the girl was wearing something that was in tribute to her (used a photo of herself vs the girl and did a "fantasy vs reality" caption) and slammed another fan who disapproved of her getting back with Chris, going so far as to say the girl looked like a goat. I don't know how she had any fans left after that appalling behaviour. People like that don't deserve fans.

Gaga is one of only 3 writing credits on Come To Mama. And even if there was one song she didn't write, so what? She writes the rest of her work. Rihanna doesn't write the majority of her work, you can't compare the two.

Lana's a good singer as well.

Rihanna's never been a choreographed dancer. You'll notice how her backup dancers are doing the real demanding work while she stands and sings around them. Her dancing is occasional and natural, but not tightly, professional choreographed like Gaga has to learn.

All I'm asking is that they write the majority of their stuff. And they're still singers and entertainers...but not artists. Artists create.

Anti is her most successful album since GGGB? It's one of her least successful ever. All her albums up to and including Unapologetic were more successful than Anti, what are you on about? Anti only did remotely well in America, it flopped worldwide. Even in the UK, who have always loved her, weren't here from it. It only peaked at #7 with little over 100k copies to date. Work peaked at #2 and everything else failed to hit top 40, she performed to half empty stadiums and had to cancel two of them. Anti's only real hit was Work and everything else flopped outside America. The album has sold 1.1 million worldwide, her worst selling album to date. And those 1 million sales upon release didn't count because they were purchased by Samsung as part of a deal. You're the one making up facts.

Lana can sing well, you've clearly never been to one of her live shows. Look up some of her best ever vocals, she can do semi operatic stuff. She can't dance but she's never done dancing as part of her career, so what's your point? Songs are the most important part of being a singer/songwriter, so of course I put Lana's superior material over hers. Some attributes are more important than others. This isn't a bash Lana thread, it's about Rihanna.

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she's literally the most untalented pop artist ever, and don't come at me with this "oh but she has a great voice" no she doesn't, if she had she would'n needed bebe rexha and taylor swift ghostvoices in Monster and this is what you came to hit the notes, and i'm not gonna even talk about ester dean, cristyle and sia

y'all love to call selena and specially katy perry  mediocre, when she is a instrumentist, and write 100% of her catalogue, incluiding several self-written songs (much more than Gaga by the way)