Morphine Prince 109,656 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 25 minutes ago, KleinGa said: I dont have to acknowledge anything when Im speaking on one specific issue. I was commenting on Bernie Bros involvement and Bernie’s influence so I stuck to that. I dont need to acknowledge every single reasoning behind the failure of her campaign. Just because pointing out the part Bernie had to play was a bitter pill to swallow for you doest mean you get to shout at me saying “oh but you didnt mention this etc”. When I find the need to speak on Hillary’s faults, I will. In this case, I was commenting on one specific issue and most of the backlash here is that I didnt comment on ALL the issues. Like calm down How convenient that you only mention your biased attacks against Bernie and his supporters and not the most important factor which was the main candidate. 25 minutes ago, KleinGa said: Im sorry but a significant portion of his fans are sexist Where is that data? Nowhere. More biased BS spewing. 24 minutes ago, KleinGa said: And Bernie will be just as bitter and act out in the SAME WAY when he loses. By campaigning for Biden? Oh yeah, so bitter! Don't come crying when Trump gets re-elected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,656 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 I have never seen a group of people so ****ing bitter and hateful as the blind Hillary Clinton supporters who think she can do no wrong... Don't forget how you treated Obama when she lost to him in 2008. Her stans were 100 times for vicious than any "Bernie Bros" in 2016. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guillaume Hamon 6,989 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 3 hours ago, KleinGa said: I was commenting on the bernie aspect of Hillary's loss. "Commenting on" this aspect with a phrasing that make it seems like if it was a major reason of her loss when it's not... That's my point. She actually got more bernie voters than what was to expect considering they knew the primary had been rigged against their preferred candidate and that she didn't even bother to try to attract them like the primary winner usually does... 3 hours ago, KleinGa said: I didn't comment on the other aspects. That doesn't make me hypocritical You didn't comment on the major aspects of her loss but commented a lot to bash the sanders voters for her loss... Again, that's my point, you don't discuss the main reasons of her loss yet make the bernie voters thing a bigger factor than it really was in her defeat. That's an hypocritical approach. 3 hours ago, KleinGa said: The problem is the Bernie Bros refusal to claim any responsibility. I told you that bernie "bros" were mainly women yet you keep using this negative inaccurate term to smear his base, you're so dishonest and not even subtle at it lol. You keep talking about his voters like if they all voted Trump/ didn't vote when that's only a minority of them lmao... Anyway the big majority who voted HRC are not responsible for her losing and blaming the ones who didn't is as useless as blaming women who didn't support HRC like some HRC voters did in 2016... When you fail to convince someone you must work on your approach, you don't blame this person afterwards like a kid would do. 3 hours ago, KleinGa said: Im sorry but a significant portion of his fans are sexist False but you have a personal vendetta against them so keep it up with the "many of them are sexists" smearing, it never took off since people never see it confirmed lmao! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister G 10,512 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 3 hours ago, KleinGa said: The major problem with you all is that you think just because someone doesn't support Bernie, it means they support the other. I support neither of them and hope to God neither of those two entitled white men get the nomination This is a serious question love; can you reference any material where Bernie has come across as an entitled white man? I’m curious to understand this perspective and not meant to be a bashing contest or coming from a malicious place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antichrist 9,818 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 4 hours ago, Morphine Prince said: Calling everyone who supports Bernie a "Bernie Bro" is so malicious. That term has negative connotations and assumes everyone who supports Bernie is a sexist. what what what what where are the connections what is this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,656 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Just now, Antichrist said: what what what what where are the connections what is this Maybe you don’t know the associations with that term. Look it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antichrist 9,818 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Morphine Prince said: Maybe you don’t know the associations with that term. Look it up. could you please explain it to me? do those associations apply everywhere in life? idk how this goes, educate me pls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,656 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Antichrist said: could you please explain it to me? do those associations apply everywhere in life? idk how this goes, educate me pls. When people use “Bernie Bro” it usually means those Bernie supporters who are sexist who refused to vote for anyone else during the election. Usually characterized as entitled, sexist, irrational. They participated in “Bernie or Bust” and are blamed for Trump’s win by some Clinton supporters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antichrist 9,818 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: When people use “Bernie Bro” it usually means those Bernie supporters who are sexist who refused to vote for anyone else during the election. Usually characterized as entitled, sexist, irrational. They participated in “Bernie or Bust” and are blamed for Trump’s win by some Clinton supporters. let me break this down for me. bro equals someone sexist, entitled and irrational? and do you truly believe solely those people are responsible for Trump winning in 2016? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adakam 2 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 In Michigan, where the election was so close that the Associated Press still hasn’t called the result, Trump is ahead by about 12,000 votes. That’s significantly less than the 242,867 votes that went to third-party candidates in Michigan. It’s a similar story elsewhere: third-party candidates won more total votes than the Trump’s margin of victory in Wisconsin, Arizona, North Carolina and Florida. Without those states, Trump would not have won the presidency. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/10/third-party-candidate-gary-johnson-jill-stein-clinton-loss Now, im aware, and that link explains it, that there is no evidence that all of thise people wouldve voted for Hillary if H and T were the only options, but it still proves that every vote counts and that chasing that fantasy dream of getting rid of the DNC and the GOP can be very dangerous and can be the differenece between getting the blue candidate or the red candidate. If those people realized that as much as they hate Hillary's flaws you cant even compare it to the damage trump has done to the country, we would probably have Hillary as president today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KleinGa 18,177 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Guillaume Hamon said: "Commenting on" this aspect with a phrasing that make it seems like if it was a major reason of her loss when it's not... That's my point. She actually got more bernie voters than what was to expect considering they knew the primary had been rigged against their preferred candidate and that she didn't even bother to try to attract them like the primary winner usually does... What don't you understand about I am speaking about Bernie specifically. I don't know why you all crave me talking about ALL the reasons. And I'm sorry if you interpreted my phrasing in that way, that isn't my fault. 1 hour ago, Guillaume Hamon said: I told you that bernie "bros" were mainly women yet you keep using this negative inaccurate term to smear his base, you're so dishonest and not even subtle at it lol. Who the hell lied to you? The MAJORITY of Bernie supporters are white MALES! Spoiler https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/05/white-male-democrats-have-disproportionately-voted-against-hillary-clinton-for-eight-years-running/ https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/where-sanders-clinton-are-dominating-n505381 https://www.vox.com/2016/1/15/10770524/who-supports-bernie-sanders and many many more prove this 1 hour ago, Guillaume Hamon said: False but you have a personal vendetta against them so keep it up with the "many of them are sexists" smearing, it never took off since people never see it confirmed lmao! And I've had several (overwhelming) personal experience with the sexism of the bernie bros On another note, I don't want to seem as if I'm attacking you. I'm deeply sorry if you cannot accept the facts about Bernie or his fans. I seriously cannot have discourse with someone who feels targeted when I say what the facts are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KleinGa 18,177 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Antichrist said: and do you truly believe solely those people are responsible for Trump winning in 2016? I don't believe the Bernie Bros are not solely responsible for Clinton's loss in 2016. There were several factors. Although, they played a part in making sure that she lost because most of them really didn't want to see a woman win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorusRa2 5,005 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 5 hours ago, KleinGa said: I dont have to acknowledge anything when Im speaking on one specific issue. I was commenting on Bernie Bros involvement and Bernie’s influence so I stuck to that. I dont need to acknowledge every single reasoning behind the failure of her campaign. Just because pointing out the part Bernie had to play was a bitter pill to swallow for you doest mean you get to shout at me saying “oh but you didnt mention this etc”. When I find the need to speak on Hillary’s faults, I will. In this case, I was commenting on one specific issue and most of the backlash here is that I didnt comment on ALL the issues. Like calm down The term “Bernie Bro” is a sexist and racist term. You have insulted every black and brown person and woman that supports Bernie over and over in this thread. Hillary did not campaign in Wisconsin. She was barely in Michigan & Trump visited all 3 states that gave him the presidency at least twice as much as she did. Trump was intelligent for one thing & that was when he went to the Midwest and blame Clinton on her bad trade deals. Bernie won those midwestern states in the primary by criticizing her for the same thing. It is the Clinton campaign that is at fault for giving us Trump because the answer was there for her to combat. Instead, she left that area unchecked and let Trump fill those peoples heads with lies about how only he could get their jobs and economy back. The Bernie voter supported Clinton way more than Clinton voters supported Obama. Clinton was the most disliked candidate who ran on electability (and won the nomination even though every single poll had Bernie beating Trump by larger margins than Clinton did). Bernie was especially strong in the areas Trump won and was on the right side of the trade policy which would have prevented a Trump presidency. I think the people you’re blaming for the atrocity that is Trump are the people who told you guys what was going to happen and we were silenced instead. The people we can thank for giving us Trump are the people who thought Hillary was a strong general election candidate. You could even go as far to say that you could blame the Democratic Party. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KleinGa 18,177 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 1 minute ago, HorusRa2 said: Hillary did not campaign in Wisconsin. She was barely in Michigan & Trump visited all 3 states that gave him the presidency at least twice as much as she did. Trump was intelligent for one thing & that was when he went to the Midwest and blame Clinton on her bad trade deals. Bernie won those midwestern states in the primary by criticizing her for the same thing. It is the Clinton campaign that is at fault for giving us Trump because the answer was there for her to combat. Instead, she left that area unchecked and let Trump fill those peoples heads with lies about how only he could get their jobs and economy back. The Bernie voter supported Clinton way more than Clinton voters supported Obama. Clinton was the most disliked candidate who ran on electability (and won the nomination even though every single poll had Bernie beating Trump by larger margins than Clinton did). Bernie was especially strong in the areas Trump won and was on the right side of the trade policy which would have prevented a Trump presidency. I think the people you’re blaming for the atrocity that is Trump are the people who told you guys what was going to happen and we were silenced instead. The people we can thank for giving us Trump are the people who thought Hillary was a strong general election candidate. You could even go as far to say that you could blame the Democratic Party. I totally agree with you that Hillary messed up on the campaign strategy and has to carry that blame. 2 minutes ago, HorusRa2 said: The term “Bernie Bro” is a sexist and racist term. You have insulted every black and brown person and woman that supports Bernie over and over in this thread. The term is not racist or sexist given that the vast majority of the bros are white and male (representative of Bernie's demographics) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorusRa2 5,005 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, KleinGa said: I totally agree with you that Hillary messed up on the campaign strategy and has to carry that blame. The term is not racist or sexist given that the vast majority of the bros are white and male (representative of Bernie's demographics) Bernie’s demographics aren’t majority white or male today & so the term is erasure to majority of his base. In fact, Bernie’s support is fueled by Latinos (the only race demo he beats every candidate in). So, I see the term as sexist and racist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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