lgaga1fan 2,305 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 This case is so damn messy. I really don't know what side to be on considering Kesha's emotions strongly imply that something did happen, but there's also the side where she literally was tellling Gaga that Luke r*ped Katy too.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlopSlurper 34,336 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, Economy said: Not so sure about that. Hypathetically if he was innocent (not saying he is)... he got his image destroyed and hed have good reason to be pissed  so i dont think if he was innocent hed leave her alone hed more likely wanna get back at her And hypothetically if he was guilty (which I believe he is), he got his image destroyed, and rightfully so, but since he knows the law sadly sided with him, he can harm her even more. So really it works both ways. The other user said "oh since he counter-sued then he must be innocent" which makes 0 sense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlopSlurper 34,336 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 it got posted twice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 44,189 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, FlopSlurper said: And hypothetically if he was guilty (which I believe he is), he got his image destroyed, and rightfully so, but since he knows the law sadly sided with him, he can harm her even more. So really it works both ways. The other user said "oh since he counter-sued then he must be innocent" which makes 0 sense What i think is guilt or innocent hed have reason to countersue in both circumstances one way or the other  both u and the other user dont make sense in that aspect tbh sorry  If in both situations guilty or innocent hed have reasons either way to countersue, then it doesnt help whatsoever give a hint if hes guilty or not  its pure speculation what his motives for countersuing would be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlopSlurper 34,336 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 29 minutes ago, Economy said: What i think is guilt or innocent hed have reason to countersue in both circumstances one way or the other  both u and the other user dont make sense in that aspect tbh sorry  If in both situations guilty or innocent hed have reasons either way to countersue, then it doesnt help whatsoever give a hint if hes guilty or not  its pure speculation what his motives for countersuing would be I'm not saying I'm right and he's wrong, I'm saying if we were to flip his statement it would work the same way, so him saying he's innocent because he counter-sued makes no sense because there's no correlation between innocence and counter-suing  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankhatesyouall 2,731 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Sue her into oblivion, King. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilmonzter 2,864 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Like that perv hasn't done enough! Sing C'est la vie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 44,189 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 14 minutes ago, FlopSlurper said: I'm not saying I'm right and he's wrong, I'm saying if we were to flip his statement it would work the same way, so him saying he's innocent because he counter-sued makes no sense because there's no correlation between innocence and counter-suing  I agree with u. Im just saying ur criticizing him but ur idea doesn’t necessarily have a correlation either so...  we can all debate and speculate but at the end of the day were never gonna be absolutely 100% sure of what happened  As i said im more inclined to believe Kesha. But im not certain enough either that id throw Luke in jail if i had the power. At the end of the day ur innocent till proven guilty even if there’s just like a 5% chance ur innocent and thats the way it should be...  I prefer that criminals get away with crimes sometimes than an innocent person getting jailed and their life ruined for something they didnt do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derpmonster 22,412 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Economy said: Do we know for sure hes lying?  honestly nothing was ever proved either way  this is still a he said she said situation as far as i know  Edit: Im still inclined to believe Kesha im just saying there’s been no certaities here He's won one lawsuit already. He doesn't need to keep doing this. He's managed to stifle her career enough and damage her in a lot of ways. Even if he didn't rape her (which he probably did), he put her through a lot of other abuse, like not letting her eat in the beginning of her career. He needs to leave her alone. And yes Luke shouldn't be in jail but he needs to go away from her. Check out iTunes data & graphs at CHARTPOP.live Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candy Gaga 5,374 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 11 hours ago, nenhures said: Oh, please. Kesha spent actual years without being able to release music, opened up about her struggles and tried for the longest time to build a case against Dr. Luke and has had her story of abuse and harassment corroborated by multiple people, one of them being Gaga herself. Is it really far-fetched to want to extend sympathy to victims and believe that a man in power has abused his position and caused people pain? But yeah, whatever let's pretend that she is indeed lying, which by the way just doesn't make sense. Let's pretend that we live in a world where that's the most logical conclusion to get to. Even if that was the case, the man still has a career for ****'s sake, his life wasn't ruined by this. He's still rich and powerful. Just because it wasn't "proved" in court it doesn't make it unbelievable or fair. It's a man's world, let's not act like **** like that doesn't happen on a daily basis. Again all that is he said she said. No actual proof. As for Gaga she's Kesha's friend so she came to her defence she wasn't there to see what happened. Also their are people that sided and supported Kesha's story and others that supported Luke like a frequent collaborator Katy Perry who said that he never mentally or physically abused her and Gaga and Kesha are talking bs. I'm not defending him or her it's just that there is no proof at all aside from Kesha , her mom, her dad and her friends and ofc they all will side with the Kesha story. It's all words. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candy Gaga 5,374 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 10 hours ago, FlopSlurper said: she's so wonderful And what in this quote exactly proves that she's not She's just stating her opinion that a lot of people share it with her Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prada 1,200 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I don' t know what to say. Sad for Kesha. or sad for Luke if his carrier is ruined by false accusations. Once a woman accused me of harrasing her daughter, touching etc (Im the bottomest bottom of all). The reason was subway seat was so small that I couldn' t fit. Accidentally my body (legs and hand) while trying to breath between 40 minute ride touched her. Everyone in the subway become my enemy. Im happy they did not kill me. I wish it would be that easy to blame Luke. I m side Kesha, but sorry. Can' t take action on Luke. Harrasment, rape is just a tricky side of the world. Hard to prove. And things that are hard to prove always hurt legally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipz 1,197 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 This man is a monster! But her will not defeat her! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei 60,134 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 The thing that makes me believe kesha is that if there was no incident between them they wouldnt have had any problems and hence could have just continued recording music together. But they didnt so there must have been SOMETHING. Musery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMM90 2,821 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I feel like they are both lying about certain crucial things. Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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