Warren in clear second place in 2020 race (NBC poll)

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2020 will be interesting with Brexit and all of this

 

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19 minutes ago, Postboy said:

One minute (when Sanders is ahead) it’s too early in the race and it’s an “outlier,” the next minute (when Warren is in second), it’s “clear.” 

Haha 

Nnnn ok this is my title based on how the polls is presented. 

Just to make that clear  

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Honestly, Bernie needs to drop the race. I love and support Bernie and Warren but Biden is still quite a few points ahead of Warren. I firmly believe democrats can only win this election if they work together.

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33 minutes ago, Meredith Grey said:

Honestly, Bernie needs to drop the race. I love and support Bernie and Warren but Biden is still quite a few points ahead of Warren. I firmly believe democrats can only win this election if they work together.

Why on Earth would he drop out when he is is 2nd or 3rd place? That makes no sense. 

It would make sense to ask those polling in the single digits to drop out. 

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All that matters is getting Trump the hell out of office.  Literally, in 2020, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.  #Biden2020

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18 minutes ago, Meredith Grey said:

Honestly, Bernie needs to drop the race. I love and support Bernie and Warren but Biden is still quite a few points ahead of Warren. I firmly believe democrats can only win this election if they work together.

So you’re going to tell the campaign with the most individual donors and donations that they need to drop out because a poll from the media that over-samples old people told you Warren is in the lead? The delusion. 

Yall wonder why the “Bernie Bro” narrative exists (though there is no such thing as the 2020 cycle has proven; in fact, it’s a really sexist term and is only erasure to the many women & POC who support him) and why Bernie supporters are so aggressive and yet at the same time spew this level of ignorance. It’s astonishing. 

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Interesting how Bernie is being asked to drop out by Warren’s base.. Also, another interesting thing is that we (Bernie supporters) are always asked who is our second choice but Warren’s base is never asked the same question. Mhmm

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1 minute ago, scarlxrd said:

Interesting how Bernie is being asked to drop out by Warren’s base.. Also, another interesting thing is that we (Bernie supporters) are always asked who is our second choice but Warren’s base is never asked the same question. Mhmm

The most logical answer to this is that Warren’s base is comprised of a lot of 2016 Hillary voters who hated Bernie then and they hate him now regardless of his policies and regardless of the effort he went through to try to save this country from Donald Trump after he lost. The reason you know this is because a lot of Harris’s support is made up of Clinton donors and supporters. Since the second debate, Harris has been falling and Warren has been rising. Morning Consult tells us that Warren is the most consistent 2nd choice for those supporting Harris even now. It’s not hard to put the two together and realize that as Biden begins to slip further (& he will), it’s going to be the Bernie coalition vs Warren (Clinton) coalition again but to a lesser extent until it’s a 2 person race. 

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1 hour ago, Morphine Prince said:

Warren is the more comfortable choice for rich liberals. That doesn’t take away many regular people like her. 

Warren is not the most progressive candidate in the race. She’s a second for someone like me  

I get that she might mostly resonate with rich white liberals, but I just didn't like the rhetoric and the notion that it's "sad" to like any other candidate than Bernie. Once again, I love Bernie, but I also think it's a cheap thing to do to just react with a "sad" emoji everytime something positive comes out for any one of the other candidates.

The truth is literally any one of the Dems is far better and superior than Trump. We should try to focus on unifying those who we think are good candidates instead of automatically dismissing those who we might not agree fully with.

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2 minutes ago, HorusRa2 said:

The most logical answer to this is that Warren’s base is comprised of a lot of 2016 Hillary voters who hated Bernie then and they hate him now regardless of his policies and regardless of the effort he went through to try to save this country from Donald Trump after he lost. The reason you know this is because a lot of Harris’s support is made up of Clinton donors and supporters. Since the second debate, Harris has been falling and Warren has been rising. Morning Consult tells us that Warren is the most consistent 2nd choice for those supporting Harris even now. It’s not hard to put the two together and realize that as Biden begins to slip further (& he will), it’s going to be the Bernie coalition vs Warren (Clinton) coalition again but to a lesser extent until it’s a 2 person race. 

I see. I have seen a lot of Kamala Harris base on Twitter talk about how they’re going to “destroy” Sanders.

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1 hour ago, scarlxrd said:

This isn’t about you. The fact of the matter is she’s favored by rich liberals. Specifically white.

And the fact of the matter is that I'm not a rich white person.

I'm not trying to take away the fact that Warren's base is mostly rich white liberals. If you read my post, the point I was making was that it's unnecessary to react in such a (frankly) immature way whenever someone supports a politician that you don't necessarily support. 

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2 minutes ago, M Monstre said:

I get that she might mostly resonate with rich white liberals, but I just didn't like the rhetoric and the notion that it's "sad" to like any other candidate than Bernie. Once again, I love Bernie, but I also think it's a cheap thing to do to just react with a "sad" emoji everytime something positive comes out for any one of the other candidates.

The truth is literally any one of the Dems is far better and superior than Trump. We should try to focus on unifying those who we think are good candidates instead of automatically dismissing those who we might not agree fully with.

Not being Trump is not enough though.  That is not a winning strategy. 

What are they going TO DO to better the lives of working class people? Something impactful. Not just going back to the same. People are sick of it and part of the reason why they elected a non-politician to the White House. 

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2 hours ago, kyanewest said:

I don't mean to offend anyone but overall candidates in the US seem... not smart. Seems very difficult to pick someone, although anyone other than Trump is better 

There are two Rhodes Scholars and a Harvard Law Professor in this group of candidates. 

What level of education or profession do you hold to call these individuals “not smart”?

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1 hour ago, OG Gaga Stan said:

It's not "rhetoric." It's a fact. Look at any of the several pieces that break down the demographics that make up her supporters, Sanders' supporters and Biden's supporters.

Hers are almost entirely white. Biden's are almost entirely old. Bernie's are mostly POC, mostly women, mostly working class and a substantial portion of them are young (I.E. the people we need to vote in order to win).

71% of Warren's voters are white. Nearly 3/4ths of them. They're overwhelmingly likely to be upper middle class to wealthy, overwhelmingly likely to have gone to college, and are overwhelmingly likely to be white. Pointing that out is not only fair game, it's vital when distinguishing between the two candidates.

This isn't true. Read and compare their policy proposals (particularly when it comes to healthcare, education, the military, unionization efforts, carceral reform, and student loan debt) and you'll see what I'm talking about.

I'm not denying that most of her voters are rich white people. The larger point of my post was to say that I don't think reacting with a "sad" reaction to literally everything that isn't pro-Bernie is a productive thing to do. 

I've been a huge supporter of Bernie for a while. I would absolutely love it if he were president. However as of right now, I'm thinking of voting for Warren during the primaries. 

What I said in my original post was me commenting on an observation I've been seeing from you literally reacting with "sad" everytime that someone says/posts something that puts another candidate in a good light.

I completely understand that people have differences in what the believe in with their politics. And while I would honestly judge someone for liking/supporting Trump (because he's a whole other mess on his own), I wouldn't necessarily do the same for people who support Warren, or Kamala, or Biden, or Buttigieg, etc. over Sanders. 

What's important is getting Trump out of the White House, and honestly I'd be fine with literally any other Dem candidate right now. Let's not make it a Bernie vs. Warren or a Biden vs. Bernie or a Warren vs. Biden, etc., etc. thing when it's a ______ vs. Trump thing.

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1 minute ago, M Monstre said:

I'm not denying that most of her voters are rich white people. The larger point of my post was to say that I don't think reacting with a "sad" reaction to literally everything that isn't pro-Bernie is a productive thing to do. 

I've been a huge supporter of Bernie for a while. I would absolutely love it if he were president. However as of right now, I'm thinking of voting for Warren during the primaries. 

What I said in my original post was me commenting on an observation I've been seeing from you literally reacting with "sad" everytime that someone says/posts something that puts another candidate in a good light.

I completely understand that people have differences in what the believe in with their politics. And while I would honestly judge someone for liking/supporting Trump (because he's a whole other mess on his own), I wouldn't necessarily do the same for people who support Warren, or Kamala, or Biden, or Buttigieg, etc. over Sanders. 

What's important is getting Trump out of the White House, and honestly I'd be fine with literally any other Dem candidate right now. Let's not make it a Bernie vs. Warren or a Biden vs. Bernie or a Warren vs. Biden, etc., etc. thing when it's a ______ vs. Trump thing.

Why Warren over Bernie? I’ll preface this by saying I’m not going to attack you for your answer and I’m definitely going to try and provide a reason to switch (if possible) based on your answer, but I’m also asking because I really cannot fathom a reason to pick her over him based on the facts that I know.