Feline 621 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 lol at people saying Joanne si her most authentic, it was a good career move to tone down her image. I feel it was even more manufactured that ARTPOP, tho without Joanne we prob won’t have later ASIB. I think her most authentic was Born This Way, she really didn’t give a **** those days, her music was fire and she was so young and powerful, sadly she started facing so much negative backlash so she had to endure herself too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTI WP 19,825 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Joanne The whole revamp! is just an amazing experience Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebi 13,928 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 ARTPOP was a liberation of what was coming for her: total control of her future direction as an artist + exploitation of her image for money. She wanted to be IMPERFECT and a MESS so bad and she nailed it! Even tho ARTPOP is definitely not my favorite album, the era was truly something revolutionary for anybody in the industry. Also the VISUALS, the lyrics of the songs, the PERFORMANCES and her outfits were something else and literally nobody has done it before. TFM, trying to be dark and scary... it's not that authentic (but my fave album). Joanne is even less authentic, it's just an stripped-down album. ASIB is just a soundtrack era. BTW is such a commercial era but I would say the message is unique. and TF is kinda authentic too. but ARTPOP ftw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2School4Cool 6,434 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Joanne for sure. See The Best In Everyone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelandro 442 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Ironically, I think Joanne is by far her most pretentious and forced image to date. Even her weird accent and that doll like pitch she used in interviews during TF era seemed more genuine that this polar opposite of Gaga ''victimized I'm just a normal girl fame is awful it's all an illusion'' persona. But that's just her, being overly dramatic about everything, it's no secret, she acknowledged that herself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
seashellplay 512 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 tbh yeah, they're really all genuine and just facets of herself, as that very smort person said up above i thought the fact judas was the bad romance of btw, or br's little sister, nice in a sense? i don't know why, but i feel like it gives it the identity of being a little sister. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moo 2,082 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 The Fame. Hands down. That was the record she wanted to make so much while she was struggling to make it in the business. That was her sound and her themes, she made them mainstream. Ideas of art and pop culture are so prevelent in The Fame. If I had to rank them in order of authenticity it would go: TF>TFM>ARTPOP>C2C>BTW>ASIB>>>>>>>Joanne. Joanne reeks of image repair. It’s her most calculated album. That’s for sure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geopang 4,831 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 38 minutes ago, Illuminati said: Born This Way, I feel like she will never be as inspired as she was at that time Sad but true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maryjanesdope 669 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 ARTPOP ngl❤ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy 1,717 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Ofcourse Born This Way and The Fame Monster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
seashellplay 512 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, Guillermo Tello said: ARTPOP was a liberation of what was coming for her: total control of her future direction as an artist + exploitation of her image for money. She wanted to be IMPERFECT and a MESS so bad and she nailed it! Even tho ARTPOP is definitely not my favorite album, the era was truly something revolutionary for anybody in the industry. Also the VISUALS, the lyrics of the songs, the PERFORMANCES and her outfits were something else and literally nobody has done it before. TFM, trying to be dark and scary... it's not that authentic (but my fave album). Joanne is even less authentic, it's just an stripped-down album. ASIB is just a soundtrack era. BTW is such a commercial era but I would say the message is unique. and TF is kinda authentic too. but ARTPOP ftw i get your argument but honey... ARTPOP was if not the most mentally exhausting and damaging era for her. She was high like... virtually all of the time and depressed. She preached being control of the icon, but never did so, her record label at the end of the day was in control and pop consumed her -- she became the decaying blonde icon who people gave fantasies to later to be thrown away lmao. It wasn't revolutionary in the industry because the oddity gimmick had been done before in Born This Way. GP grew tired with her artistic work and grew more interested in people like Katy and Miley. The visuals just symbolized the death of her 'weird eras', and how if she wanted to maintain being a popstar, she needs to have a 'stripped back' approach. Sure, she's regained her influence enough to wear another meat dress and come in an egg, but what would that do. There is a reason why ARTPOP has the least performed songs in modern day tours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oriane 20,918 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 ARTPOP, Cheek to Cheek and Joanne The only GGD member who can read / Credits to Celloo Deng for the profile pic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bxr 1,016 Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 I kind of subscribe to the authenticity in every era/iteration school of thought … which was probably why I asked, to get vantages from people with definitive opinions on how you view Gaga’s authenticity and how she expresses it creatively … That said … I guess for BTW, for the too aggro or too marketed to be authentic commentary, imo the authenticity feels like it comes from the place of someone who came into their place as an advocate for her audience/fans that embodied specific elements of the marginalized, which connects on a deeper level of authenticity with fans on the social fringe … and that connection is ironclad Joanne … conveys as “more personal” from the conventional lens of denim, guitars, and typewriters equating to authenticity — so authentic in that way, and that it expressed the most divergent from the Gaga facade or masquerade so to speak, amplifies the impact of that crafted authenticity — but, using fashion and or exaggerated flair to communicate a message (in addition to or in lieu of verbal communication) could be considered authentically artistic, in the same way stripping it all down to more minimal / acoustic production, and “norm core” style could be more authentically “normal” or tbh “American” (which, to continue down the devil’s advocate road … was similar to BTW’s appeal to her own fans who were marginalized by the GP or mainstream, but for Joanne it felt like bridging a gap with the GP or appealing to Middle Americans that were at the fringe or periphery of the traditional Gaga fandom of those allegiant to the freak flag … at a time when America itself was incredibly polarized and divided) … the interviews felt open but at the same time, also (and this is just me) heavily predicated on omission (maybe because of the election cycle, the super bowl, prepping for ASIB, there was just a lot at stake with the masses, so the absence of certain discourse and dialogue in the face of the heavy family presence felt tense at times … and Five Foot Two kind of felt a bit detached / personal-postured in its own way, but idk — again, that’s just me). Marketing / aesthetics aside, the album itself does have incredibly strong autobiographical narrative songwriting, that speak to and from, what feels like an authentically personal place. The Fame feels authentically New York denizen songwriter / artist / scribe turned club kid turned glam pop rock star breaking into the industry during the age of late aught celebrity … which is whatever/whoever how ever she was at the time … it’s authentically performance artist on the brink of the global big break TFM … tbh The Monster Ball speeches, and the vision manifest masterpiece theatre and just such a clean composition for the sonic record … is authentically like, idk just Rilke protege turned fashion atelier musing music artist … there is an resonant, understated authenticity to that era BTW … other people’s comments on the page speak to the authenticity better than I could attempt to elaborate ARTPOP … tbh the authenticity of a caged cosmic pop supernova who spent six to eight months incubating in a prison chrysalis before emerging on the wings of chemical cocktails and pure adrenaline … it feels inebriated and intoxicated and out of pocket … maybe because it was the real time process of vomiting her mind for the artistic revolution through the potential of pop cultural tense — see, that this even read like that is authentic conveyance of whatever / whoever / how ever she was, because that’s what I got from her experience expressed on ARTPOP and that’s purely by proxy: yikes. Joanne … aforementioned This was long and fragmented, and tbh didn’t really make a point … but I figured if I pose a question I might as well extend some response in reciprocity … however disjointed and nonsensical it may read Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huttont 5,242 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 I wanna say The Fame Monster bc she was very vulnerable with her lyrics and TMB 2.0. To tell someone your fears let alone put them out there for the world to see seems very authentic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
seashellplay 512 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 incubating in a prison chrysalis before emerging on the wings of chemical cocktails and pure adrenaline … it feels inebriated and intoxicated and out of pocket incubating in a prison chrysalis before emerging on the wings of chemical cocktails and pure adrenaline … it feels inebriated and intoxicated and out of pocket incubating in a prison chrysalis before emerging on the wings of chemical cocktails and pure adrenaline … it feels inebriated and intoxicated and out of pocket Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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