3q425253qwewq 3 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 (edited) I thought the Marry the Night and You and I videos were steaming piles of **** honestly. This was legit, in my opinion. I suppose I shouldn't attack people here for saying shes awful. But I mean, in the same vein you can't exactly attack me for having an opinion about their opinion either since this is indeed a forum. And I also want to make it known that my previous arguments outside of this thread were not done in vain. Those users were trolls and they were not here to discuss Gaga from an objective point of view. They were only here to bash her. Albeit, but Im not coming at you in a negative slant, the previous poster whom you labeled as a "troll," wasnt a troll at all - you just perceived him that way because of his liking for madonna. While he had been a critic of gaga's recent work, that still doesnt equate someone to a troll. Rather, it makes someone interested + invested in someone they like, but you went off on him and then insulted him, no matter how much the poor dude tried to say he wasnt a troll here to start trouble. I use this example, and the many others, because you are quite bellicose it seems, which is fine, and somewhat amazing, I commend your passion for defending Gaga, but there are other (and better) ways which to talk to someone, rather then talking down to them, its demeaning and gets really tiresome. When you make blanket statements such as "Ah, well I suppose this generation is too stupid to get THIS piece." ---- that is seriously so frustrating. A disagreement does not equal daftness. Thought you might disagree, I just think its better to be constructive when critical of another, rather than purely cynical. Just my 2cents though Edited September 14, 2012 by DoubleChinn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
misanthrope 15 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 And I whole heartedly disagree with your assessment that this video is the next coming of christ. LOL never ever EVER did I say this was the next coming of christ. Defending it as not being a steaming pile of **** is not equating it to a masterpiece. I'm sorry defending her artistic integrity if even slightly is representative of delusion to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drbumblenut 48 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 (edited) Really? People are complaining about this? I thought this was exceptionally ballsy, transporting, surreal, disturbing, moody, and mesmerizing. The complaints about it not being a music video are actually stupid. She never promised a music video. And people who were bored... well, only boring people get bored. Satisfied by the video, disappointed by the reception. Edited September 14, 2012 by drbumblenut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hvymtllvr 1 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 (edited) Fans will never be pleased I dont think gaga ever said it was going to be a "music video" for scheiße, but a fame commerical. yet the "fans" concoct bull**** in their heads of what they want then when its nothing like it they tear it apart. Edited September 14, 2012 by leslie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MessyTop 14,389 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 She did say she would perform. I think she lost her mind honestly. I agree. People around her and not telling her that some of her ideas are just plain dumb. The fact that people are saying it was all artistic is beyond insane. I love her to death but it was just a big old mess, including the video Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHGUY 230 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 (edited) Fans will never be pleased The Fame Monster era begs to differ. I love her but I just think she is not on the same page with her fans.... fans obviously loved her old music and style and performances for a reason. It's cool that she is experimenting and wanting to exhibit her artistic freedom, but she shouldn't be shocked when fans are upset that she is doing something way different from what they knew and loved about her Edited September 14, 2012 by SevaGaGa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhonyguy04 3 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Albeit, but Im not coming at you in a negative slant, the previous poster whom you labeled as a "troll," wasnt a troll at all - you just perceived him that way because of his liking for madonna. While he had been a critic of gaga's recent work, that still doesnt equate someone to a troll. Rather, it makes someone interested + invested in someone they like, but you went off on him and then insulted him, no matter how much the poor dude tried to say he wasnt a troll here to start trouble. I use this example, and the many others, because you are quite bellicose it seems, which is fine, and somewhat amazing, I commend your passion for defending Gaga, but there are other (and better) ways which to talk to someone, rather then talking down to them, its demeaning and gets really tiresome. When you make blanket statements such as "Ah, well I suppose this generation is to stupid to get THIS piece." ---- that is seriously so frustrating. A disagreement does not equal daftness. Thought you might disagree, I just think its better to be constructive when critical of another, rather than purely cynical. Just my 2cents though I have to say one of the users did turn out to be a troll and got permanately banned. I can't say any more info. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MessyTop 14,389 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 The Fame Monster era begs to differ amen to that! this is like "Edge of glory" video all over again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emily Thorne 0 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 I agree. People around her and not telling her that some of her ideas are just plain dumb. The fact that people are saying it was all artistic is beyond insane. I love her to death but it was just a big old mess, including the video This is where she lost it: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Envi 765 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 (edited) i feel like this is year 2013 and gaga just released the video of her over-hyped single ARTPOP. The video looks so similar to Nicki Minaj's Stupid Hoe and some of her fans think it is still artistic while the majority dislike it. just sayin :) Edited September 14, 2012 by Envy ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
misanthrope 15 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Albeit, but Im not coming at you in a negative slant, the previous poster whom you labeled as a "troll," wasnt a troll at all - you just perceived him that way because of his liking for madonna. While he had been a critic of gaga's recent work, that still doesnt equate someone to a troll. Rather, it makes someone interested + invested in someone they like, but you went off on him and then insulted him, no matter how much the poor dude tried to say he wasnt a troll here to start trouble. I use this example, and the many others, because you are quite bellicose it seems, which is fine, and somewhat amazing, I commend your passion for defending Gaga, but there are other (and better) ways which to talk to someone, rather then talking down to them, its demeaning and gets really tiresome. When you make blanket statements such as "Ah, well I suppose this generation is to stupid to get THIS piece." ---- that is seriously so frustrating. A disagreement does not equal daftness. Thought you might disagree, I just think its better to be constructive when critical of another, rather than purely cynical. Just my 2cents though On the contrary his only posting in the Madonna thread while simultaneously **** talking gaga and more prominently this fanbase using vulgarity was my tip off. He was quite condescending in other threads and also quite subtly vulgar. It was not his liking Madonna that was the tip off actually, thats a misinterpretation of what I said. An understandable one I suppose. My intention isn't necessarily to defend Gaga herself, at least not usually with the exception of my behavior in this thread, but to protect this site from the unproductive anti-gaga cynicism that plagues sites like o.g.g, twitter, and atrl. And honestly i've told the moderators, i posted it in the thread after that specific argument, and im posting it now: i'm the first to admit that my attempt at combating what I perceive to be the unnecessary anti-gaga cynicism i referred to backfires because of my own arrogance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MessyTop 14,389 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 This is where she lost it: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=mf6RRAGf1rM Hahaha! exactly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhonyguy04 3 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 The Fame Monster era begs to differ Not really. Ppl hated the fact that DITD was not released. And the Madonna carbon copy era of Alejandro was worst than anything of BTW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kupo 201 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 >Schiesse's gonna be used in something special: my perfume video! >Not supposed to be disappointed when there are 10 seconds of Schiesse in the five minute video She did say Schiesse would be used for something. She heavily implied over and over that it would BASICALLY be a music video for it. She'd be using it for something special, she'd filmed something for it. She used it in the trailers. Well, people are allowed to be disappointed. She did hype it up, it wasn't just the fans. I'm sorry, but I think it might be a little bit reasonable to expect a perfume video with Schiesse being used for more than 1/32 of the alotted time. Instead, you got a visually stunning but otherwise boring video. And afterwards waiting for four hours for something to happen while she got a tattoo and people kissed her ass after she pissed in a bucket. It's more delusional to believe that she WASN'T leading us on for something bigger. "I'll be performing at the FAME launch! Oh wait nevermind watch me sleep and piss in a bucket." No. The way she phrased her tweet is a FAR cry from "heavily" implying that it would be a full-on music video. Should have been even more apparent with the remix being implemented as it was in all the teaser spots. People got carried away (per usual) with their own expectations/desires. Also, MTN and BTW are two of her most intellectually complex and stylistically polished videos. Probably only behind Alejandro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHGUY 230 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 (edited) Not really. Ppl hated the fact that DITD was not released. And the Madonna carbon copy era of Alejandro was worst than anything of BTW. Ultimately though, people loved her single choices (even if they may have not liked the Alejandro video which I dunno what you're talking about because many fans also loved it) and her performances always delivered and she never made or implied promises that she never kept... plus her songs also all charted well on the Billboard Hot 100.... so both fans and the general public were pleased with her, and it was the success of The Fame Monster era that lead to such groundbreaking sales for Born This Way when the single was released the first day Edited September 14, 2012 by SevaGaGa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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