Pulse survivor says Madonna used shooting as a prop

[chun li 2,921]

Well would you rather live in a world where no one talks about these things? Where no one acknowledges the tragedy that happens to us? Do you want singers only to sing about ass and money?

[River 117,771]

Watch the victims and survivors become the most wanted enemies of stan culture fans and Madonna fans, he's not the first one to be vocal about the video and they have the right, but apparently, a celebrity is more important than the feeling of the victims..

We have a user here who is close to survivors and victims of Pulse, they are against this video and some people attacked them..

[LateToCult 40,920]

25 minutes ago, Alexander Levi said:

I'm glad that they put the warning in the beginning for people who have experienced this. However, I don't believe Madonna is doing this to solely get money. This album and song are not attempts to gain airplay because of the shock factor.

But I also have never been a survivor of an attack like Pulse so I can never fully understand how someone else may feel.

 

7 minutes ago, AlexanderMagno said:

*appreciates, more artists should do the same*

 

*but*

 

 

So, does he want major artists to call awareness about gun control, or not?

 

Pulse is part of History. There are survivors who are still traumatized, I know, but we can't not talk about it and let it be slowly forgotten. Madonna has always been political, and that's probably one of the most honest things any major pop artist has done so far: even when people complained, even when she was no longer successful, she never stopped. And she's calling out a serious problem in the USA society.

 

This statement is just one more reason to let Pulse and gun control be a taboo. As a survivor, and surely a gun control supported, he shouldn't be outraged for someone fighting for it.

 

3 minutes ago, TheBatman said:

This guy is an ageist and a sexist, with a long standing issue with Madonna. This faux outrage has nothing to do with her video and everything to do with being a twitter stan.

Gun violence is also bigger than the tragedy at Pulse, it happens every day and it has to stop. Pulse survivors do not own outrage at gun violence. It effects all of us.

Artists have a duty and she is doing hers.

I think it is fair to criticize her in this instance. It’s very hard to make a genuine political statement through music today because it’s been done so many times. Especially if your reach is limited like hers is. So she can’t make the argument that it’s needed. America has heard the message already many times and we’ve seen that the most compelling statements are made through speeches, rallies, and marches. A Madonna music video isn’t gonna do anything new or say anything new.

Im sorry but this just feels like a vanity project where she got to push some buttons (which will do nothing) and promote an album.

[TheBatman 951]

2 minutes ago, CameltoeKween said:

Nah, sorry - you don't get to decide how a survivor of violence gets to feel about this.

Just elaborating on WHY he feels that way, its cause he hates Madonna, the end

1 minute ago, Didymus said:

He's not some random survivor though

He actively sought out to have his statements published by TMZ of all sources If he has a history of hating on Madonna that is actually relevant, not to dismiss all of his statements automatically but because he might not represent the majority of those survivors because he wants to hate on her anyway.

 

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2 minutes ago, LateToCult said:

 

 

I think it is fair to criticize her in this instance. It’s very hard to make a genuine political statement through music today because it’s been done so many times. Especially if your reach is limited like hers is. So she can’t make the argument that it’s needed. America has heard the message already many times and we’ve seen that the most compelling statements are made through speeches, rallies, and marches. A Madonna music video isn’t gonna do anything new or say anything new.

Im sorry but this just feels like a vanity project where she got to push some buttons (which will do nothing) and promote an album.

She does have the #1 album in America and debuted with WW sales of like 220k, so she does have some reach. And if she thought this video would result in more record sales, she would have released it before the album dropped, not a week after. CNN and many other news outlets are talking about the video, so I think she is reaching some people and making a difference.

[Didymus 34,380]

1 minute ago, River said:

apparently, a celebrity is more important than the feeling of the victims..

No, but the issue of gun control is.

A hard truth to swallow, but I do stand by it. These kinds of discussions and backlash happen all the time and in political or criminal contexts too. Sorry; but survivors or families of survivors are not objective in their thinking and, sadly but fairly, they're not the ones who should be relied upon when forming your opinion about a certain subject because of that.

Empathy is something different from protecting them to the detriment of more important projects being shut down. There are absolutely flagrant cases of artists jumping on social issues or minority groups to make money but in this case that doesn't seem to apply. She's not even planning on releasing God Control as a single and is promoting actual instances people can use to take active political action more than her own album, tour, etc.

So the only thing to possibly complain about is that it's traumatizing for survivors. Sure it is. Can't be any other way. That's why it's so important to release it. It's not made for them, it's made for the ones who aren't traumatized and need motivation.

[Ryusei 61,110]

Ok I'm sorry if this sounds insensitive but Madonna is trying to raise awareness for an important topic and using examples of that as visualization to make an impact is exploitation? Would he rather nobody talks about gun control so this can keep happening? I'm sorry but that's just plain stupid. Anyone always calling out Madonna being "OH BUT SHE'S A RICH WHITE WOMAN" yeah but she is a person at least some people pay attention to and someone who uses their platform to try and make a change? Did most people do anything about the topics Madonna is raising awareness for and is demanding change for? I heavily doubt it. When people do nothing it's not right and when they do it isn't either.

[Charlie 246]

THANK YOU!

 

All the haters that pummeled on me can take a seat 

[Didymus 34,380]

5 minutes ago, LateToCult said:

America has heard the message already many times and we’ve seen that the most compelling statements are made through speeches, rallies, and marches. A Madonna music video isn’t gonna do anything new or say anything new. 

Ok but that also sounds like what people say about taking any active part in politics "You won't change anything anyway so why bother?"

It's possible this won't change anything but that does not automatically make it a vanity project Those two things are completely unrelated.

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

That's the thing about art. The stronger feeling you have towards good or bad the better it is. 

I understand his statement. I got very upset that Madonna said nothing about Puerto Rico and continues to be silent. But hey she has to move her MDNA line to rich people considering the prices. 

However, she has done enough in her career to give her the ability to not respond or not respond right away.  So, even though I am Puerto Rican I can look passed and remember all the good she has done.  It's also why I don't feel bad when I call her out on stuff as alot have seen me do here. 

My point is Madonna doesn't have to be at the front lines or even have to say anything to know she cares.  She has done it enough. She makes political statements through her music. That's what she is best at. Navigating social media to make a message is where she gets lost or even a public statement.  That's not who she is. She's kinda really never been that person. I don't know know why that's such a shock now 30+ years into her career. 

 

 

 

[River 117,771]

7 minutes ago, Didymus said:

No, but the issue of gun control is.

A hard truth to swallow, but I do stand by it. These kinds of discussions and backlash happen all the time and in political or criminal contexts too. Sorry; but survivors or families of survivors are not objective in their thinking and, sadly but fairly, they're not the ones who should be relied upon when forming your opinion about a certain subject because of that.

Empathy is something different from protecting them to the detriment of more important projects being shut down. There are absolutely flagrant cases of artists jumping on social issues or minority groups to make money but in this case that doesn't seem to apply. She's not even planning on releasing God Control as a single and is promoting actual instances people can use to take active political action more than her own album, tour, etc.

So the only thing to possibly complain about is that it's traumatizing for survivors. Sure it is. Can't be any other way. That's why it's so important to release it. It's not made for them, it's made for the ones who aren't traumatized and need motivation.

You misunderstood me, maybe I was not clear (?)

I'm not saying that it's not important, I support the video and the message, I love the video.

But to dismiss and trash talk the victim is never correct, we should listen and we should understand their point of view.

Stan culture is toxic and some stans sees their fave as something divine that you can't criticize, so let's be real, they will attack any survivor and victim that will have the "nerve" to say something against the video..

there was a user who said "f-ck you" to the other user who is close to Pulse victims for example..

So this is what I'm talking about..

 

 

[Didymus 34,380]

Just now, River said:

But to dismiss and trash talk the people victim is never correct, we should listen and we should understand their point of view.

...

there was a user who said "f-ck you" to the other user who is close to Pulse victims for example..

Oh **** I didn't know we went to that level already I thought you just meant, like, vocally disagreeing with a survivor is already dismissing them. But damn, no, I'm definitely not supporting that ****, that's monstrous.

Stan culture showing its worst sides indeed

[Charlie 246]

Brandon Wolf has been a strong and active voice in the anti-gun realm post-Pulse.

The majority of you all, I would say 99.9% of the people on here weren’t in Orlando at the time and have NO IDEA WHAT IT FELT LIKE. 

I wasn’t even there that night and the imagery is emblazoned in my brain as I was a frequent guest of Pulse. 

Anyone that is trying to silence this survivor is no better than the shooter himself has he massacred 49 people, injured 53 others, and scared many others with internal wounds. 

Madonna used this situation as a prop. Some people are rewarding AND applauding her work. AND some are trying to dismiss him. That again is fundamentally WRONG. Period. 

[Babel 41,495]

Ridiculous.

But hey, this is what Madonna wanted, to raise the conversations around the topic. So props to her. 

[Charlie 246]

2 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Oh **** I didn't know we went to that level already I thought you just meant, like, vocally disagreeing with a survivor is already dismissing them. But damn, no, I'm definitely not supporting that ****, that's monstrous.

Stan culture showing its worst sides indeed

 

4 minutes ago, River said:

You misunderstood me, maybe I was not clear (?)

I'm not saying that it's not important, I support the video and the message, I love the video.

But to dismiss and trash talk the victim is never correct, we should listen and we should understand their point of view.

Stan culture is toxic and some stans sees their fave as something divine that you can't criticize, so let's be real, they will attack any survivor and victim that will have the "nerve" to say something against the video..

there was a user who said "f-ck you" to the other user who is close to Pulse victims for example..

So this is what I'm talking about..

 

 

Thank you.