Gaga doesn't owe us anything!

[Red 98,600]

Honestly, the people complaining about Vegas should spend a decade here in South America, where no singer ever performs at, to be forced to deal with the fact they won't see Gaga

[SwissMonster 29,495]

25 minutes ago, RudzXinc said:

Of course she owe us. That's just ridiculous to say. She won't be at where she is right now without her fans and she knows that. Because she keeps mentioning and thanking her fans every chance she got. 

That doesn't mean we're entitled to request whatever we feel we what from her, but in the end she does owe it to us. Being her fans is frustrating sometimes, but we still stick around.

This...owing is a strong word and this is a thin line but I do feel the same. I mean it would be wrong to say that she is not there where she is without us. She earned her spot definitely. But we were and still ARE part of her career and journey 

[Regina George 59,387]

16 minutes ago, Florian said:

She doesn't owe anything to us. She's putting products out there (be it music, concert, film or whatever) and you decide to consume them or not depending on your liking.

Why the hell would she owe you something for buying a commercial good ?  Does McDonald owe you something because you deliberately go there to buy a freaking bigmac ?

At the end of the day she decides what kind of product she wants to make. If people like it, they buy it. If they don't like it they don't buy it. That's where the importance of the balance between what SHE wants and what FANS want is taking place. But that's her choice to weigth one more than the other and  accept the consequences

PS: Thanking us is just being grateful, not admitting she owes something

 

15 minutes ago, Suspiria said:

I mean I kind of see where you're coming from, but not really. Any tickets we bought or music we paid for has already been delivered. It's not like we did her a favour or anything. So no she really doesn't owe us anything.

 

However as an international pop artist/entertainer she is boring af right now  As I said she owes us nothing, but I would just think as an artist and fashion lover she would enjoy sharing art, thoughts and lewks with the world? Idk.

With all these Jazz show shenanigans with Brian she is accidentally becoming a meme queen though. So I guess she's delivering some form of entertainment

 

11 minutes ago, brucee said:

yes but we all know fame can come and go, the artists who survive this experience are the one with true skills and true passion, enough true fans will follow then.

What you mean says she shall please us and drop **** music every two years like many do. but that invalidates the term artist. Artists are explorers that share their discoveries from the invisible world they're not supposed to be predictable, regular, comfortable or pleasing. 

 

I’m literally studying business and management and first rule of every business is that you owe your costumers your success and that you need to take that into consideration when you offer them new products. Every business is there because people invest in it and people buy those products. Companies/artists need to give audiences what they want. 

[Enigma 7,182]

Then we don’t owe her being her fan  

I’m still sticking to her but I lost interest and if that happens to too many people well... 

[Florian 20,001]

16 minutes ago, ReginaGeorge said:

I’m literally studying business and management and first rule of every business is that you owe your costumers your success and that you need to take that into consideration when you offer them new products. Every business is there because people invest in it and people buy those products. Companies/artists need to give audiences what they want. 

But that's exactly where you're wrong! An artist isn't just a business. The sole goal of a business is to grow commercially i.e. earning more or investing in order to earn more.

An artist is not just a commercial business, it's also a person and thus a new component appears : personnal needs and personnal growth. Being an artist isn't only growing a business, it's growing as a person. If Gaga wants to do a U-turn in her career to satisfy her personal need it's her choice. It will most likely hurt the commercial component but that's her choice.

EDIT: And ultimately a business owes nothing to its customers, it's just that it would be a commercial suicide to go against them. A business owes its investors (which is completely different from a customer)

[Regina George 59,387]

3 minutes ago, Florian said:

But that's exactly where you're wrong! An artist isn't just a business. The sole goal of a business is to grow commercially i.e. earning more or investing in order to earn more.

An artist is not just a commercial business, it's also a person and thus a new component appears : personnal needs and personnal growth. Being an artist isn't only growing a business, it's growing as a person. If Gaga wants to do a U-turn in her career to satisfy her personal need it's her choice. It will most likely hurt the commercial component but that's her choice.

I see what you mean but then again artists need to be smart when doing their art. Ofc personal growth is something that is important and imminent but for them to get the attention they need - they have to give audiences some of what they want. Gaga is doing this amazingly and has been doing it her whole career. She experimented and expressed her art trough mainstream music/media which at the same time gave her ability to gather audience and to express her art. 

[Florian 20,001]

2 minutes ago, ReginaGeorge said:

I see what you mean but then again artists need to be smart when doing their art. Ofc personal growth is something that is important and imminent but for them to get the attention they need - they have to give audiences some of what they want. Gaga is doing this amazingly and has been doing it her whole career. She experimented and expressed her art trough mainstream music/media which at the same time gave her ability to gather audience and to express her art. 

That's what I explained with the balance between what the artist want and what the fans want. 

But it doesn't change the fact that she owes nothing to the fans. If tomorrow she wants to go breed goats in a mountain she can and she will because she has no obligations towards us. The only entity she might owe something is her label and that is defined by her contract

[Quartz 12,631]

I agree. She doesn't owe anyone of us here ****. Let's not be entitled, folks. She's a star in the sky to be enjoyed. A star doesn't owe you any sparkle, you just enjoy the view

[LadariousGarage 1]

Some of y'all just need to realize that LG6 is coming some day, and that she can't just magically have it done and release it.

 

And I doubt she hates us, she said she would die for her fans after all

 

She still likes our tweets with our fan art, and she likes tweets of us wearing our Enigma outfits

 

At least we are not Rihanna stans, she hasn't done anything music related sense early 2016 other than be featured on a few rappers sh*tty songs

She just released a WHOLE ASS MOVIE WITH A SOUNDTRACK, and she is doing 2 amazing shows in Las Vegas

 

Also, she is performing at the Apollo theater, so y'all have that too look forward too

 

Too y'all who have lost intrest in her, take a break from her music, and come back when new stuff comes out

 

Thanks for making this by the way

 

[HotLikeMexico 5,843]

Y’all love to complain. She legit FED us the past year. 

[Alphaz 7,969]

1 hour ago, Florian said:

She doesn't owe anything to us. She's putting products out there (be it music, concert, film or whatever) and you decide to consume them or not depending on your liking.

Why the hell would she owe you something for buying a commercial good ?  Does McDonald owe you something because you deliberately go there to buy a freaking bigmac ?

At the end of the day she decides what kind of product she wants to make. If people like it, they buy it. If they don't like it they don't buy it. That's where the importance of the balance between what SHE wants and what FANS want is taking place. But that's her choice to weigth one more than the other and  accept the consequences

PS: Thanking us is just being grateful, not admitting she owes something

Honey, you're just being ridiculous. So many artists didn't get the success that they want because no fans supporting them. The artists will keep being nobody or they might be working at Starbucks.

[giskardsb 12,565]

Pop is a big business. Many performers are happy to buy into that, TS being the major example.  Many pop fans buy into it also, hence the constant need for “receipts”.  However, some artists recognize it but don’t allow their need for expression to be subservient to it.  Gaga is one of those.  She will put her work out and it will be accepted or not.  She doesn’t owe her fans a specific product, and they also don’t have to like the results. 

But Gaga’s fans do not OWN Gaga, but many seem to think they do by virtue of having supported her in the Past. Fans have received what they paid for. Gaga is not under an obligation to put out similar product forever. Yes she might lose “customers” but that’s her risk. 

The business approach of Pop is detrimental to actual creativity and innovation. It’s why pop is a mess of copycats and original voices are rare. 

[brucee 1,690]

1 hour ago, ReginaGeorge said:

 

 

I’m literally studying business and management and first rule of every business is that you owe your costumers your success and that you need to take that into consideration when you offer them new products. Every business is there because people invest in it and people buy those products. Companies/artists need to give audiences what they want. 

as an artist what you owe your customers is to be totally yourself free of any boundary and honest. and to evolve. The laws of art are in contradiction with the laws of business. So an artist doesn't owe nothing in terms of rhythm of production. Anything the artist puts in the world is a gift, not a due. 

[Regina George 59,387]

Just now, brucee said:

%as an artist what you owe your customers is to be totally yourself free of any boundary and honest. and to evolve. The laws of art are in contradiction with the laws of business. So an artist doesn't owe nothing. Anything the artist puts in the world is a gift, not a due. 

This is actually debatable. You didn't understand what I said. I didn't say that artists need to give everything that audience wants BUT that artists owe their careers to fans as in they wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the fans. Also if you think that music industry as a art form is not a business - you are wrong. Sorry but  90% of music is business. People release AMAZING songs every day but only 0.1% of them gets noticed - because of good business. 

[Marilyn MonHoe 11,010]

I know that we’ve had our disagreements in the past but I’m happy to see that you’re putting yourself first and are pulling back a bit from GGD. I feel like a lot of other people should do the same as it gives you time to gain some perspective and to really just chill the hell out. Hopefully once Gaga releases LG6 you’ll be in a better space and will come back to have in-depth conversations with us again