Guest Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 6 hours ago, GABEL said: That's the problem, it's not pro-life Because they don't care if the child could be educated, fed or taken care of They don't care if the miserable life end up being the death of the child or the mother They just want abortion to be banned so it will reach their moral standards and make them feel better For people who are against the idea of abortion but doing anything to take care of others, I don't agree with them but I totally respect their point of view. For those who claim they care but do nothing for those children, I'm sorry to say that but I think they are just ignorant. If they can't solve anything and are not willing to save anyone, why do they have a say in this thing? Anyway, I know maybe you don't agree with them, I just want to share my opinion, no offense Yes they do care for the child being educated, fed, and taken care of, they just dont think they should do it. Its like saying if liberals want immigrants into the country, they should open their house for them. And yes their moral standard is not killing a human being which is a great moral standard, the problem is they have the wrong information about what makes a fetus a living being. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GABEL 1,853 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said: Yes they do care for the child being educated, fed, and taken care of, they just dont think they should do it. Its like saying if liberals want immigrants into the country, they should open their house for them. And yes their moral standard is not killing a human being which is a great moral standard, the problem is they have the wrong information about what makes a fetus a living being. sorry but I don't believe you should let immigrants in if you don't want to take care of them. just like I don't think those "pro lifer" can say they care about children if they don't want to help them themselves and in my opinion, people who don't want to do anything to change the situation just can't claim that they care you don't have to adopt a hundred of kids to prove that you care, but you can at least show their supports by giving supplies or donate if you don't care enough to do it yourself, why bother minding other people's business? yes, parents should take care of their own child, but people need abortion because they are not able to take care of their child, and they are banning abortion, now what? they still can't provide what their children need to survive and no one is there to help them. those children will probably have a miserable life or die either way, it's not any better than aborting the fetus if you don't want to do anything then don't say you care, because every decision we make has consequences, and clearly they are not the one who pay for it. a careless kindness is worse than evil. again, it's just my opinion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, GABEL said: sorry but I don't believe you should let immigrants in if you don't want to take care of them. just like I don't think those "pro lifer" can say they care about children if they don't want to help them themselves and in my opinion, people who don't want to do anything to change the situation just can't claim that they care you don't have to adopt a hundred of kids to prove that you care, but you can at least show their supports by giving supplies or donate if you don't care enough to do it yourself, why bother minding other people's business? yes, parents should take care of their own child, but people need abortion because they are not able to take care of their child, and they are banning abortion, now what? they still can't provide what their children need to survive and no one is there to help them. those children will probably have a miserable life or die either way, it's not any better than aborting the fetus if you don't want to do anything then don't say you care, because every decision we make has consequences, and clearly they are not the one who pay for it. a careless kindness is worse than evil. again, it's just my opinion Just because someone does not want you to kill a baby, does not mean he has to pay for it. Both acknowledge the problem but have different solutions. Nobody is anti woman or anti children. Right wingers believe that correcting peoples mistakes will result in incentivizing the mistake. If people dont suffer consequences of their mistakes, people will continue doing it specially if they benefit from doing the mistake. Im just saying this because you need to understand what the other position is to be able to debunk it and change peoples mind. The reason I know what the other side position is because I used to be pro life. Saying pro lifers are anti women and want to control womens vagina and dont really care about the child after birth wont change anyones opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 4 hours ago, Faysalaaa said: Yes they do care for the child being educated, fed, and taken care of, they just dont think they should do it. Its like saying if liberals want immigrants into the country, they should open their house for them. And yes their moral standard is not killing a human being which is a great moral standard, the problem is they have the wrong information about what makes a fetus a living being. No, they don’t care. They don’t care to help children who can’t help themselves. If their parents fail them, or die, or get sick, they don’t believe they have a moral responsibility to help them stay health and alive past being born. What kind of “morality” is that. A fetus can not survive on its own. Even God, who they claim to be getting their moral declaration from, ordered abortions for fornicators. Numbers 5:21,27-28 NIV ...may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell ... And when he has made her drink the water, then, if she has defiled herself and has broken faith with her husband, the water that brings the curse shall enter into her and cause bitter pain, and her womb shall swell, and her thigh shall fall away, and the woman shall become a curse among her people. But if the woman has not defiled herself and is clean, then she shall be free and shall conceive children.” Also there are several citations in the Bible where God commands the Israelites to destroy entire civilizations including women and children (Deut. 20:16-18). That God sanctioned the law of jealousy and sanctioned abortion Ed (Numbers 5:21, 27-28) and commanded infanticide is contrary to Western morality. We believe that adults are responsible for evil but children are innocent. The Amorites were slain, including women and children. (Gen. 15:13) Hittite children also were commanded to be slain. God has, for whatever reason, sanctioned the killing of innocent children and babies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Just now, Whispering said: No, they don’t care. They don’t care to help children who can’t help themselves. If their parents fail them, or die, or get sick, they don’t believe they have a moral responsibility to help them stay health and alive past being born. What kind of “morality” is that. A fetus can not survive on its own. Even God, who they claim to be getting their moral declaration from, ordered abortions for fornicators. Numbers 5:21,27-28 NIV ...may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell ... And when he has made her drink the water, then, if she has defiled herself and has broken faith with her husband, the water that brings the curse shall enter into her and cause bitter pain, and her womb shall swell, and her thigh shall fall away, and the woman shall become a curse among her people. But if the woman has not defiled herself and is clean, then she shall be free and shall conceive children.” Also there are several citations in the Bible where God commands the Israelites to destroy entire civilizations including women and children (Deut. 20:16-18). That God sanctioned the law of jealousy and sanctioned abortion Ed (Numbers 5:21, 27-28) and commanded infanticide is contrary to Western morality. We believe that adults are responsible for evil but children are innocent. The Amorites were slain, including women and children. (Gen. 15:13) Hittite children also were commanded to be slain. God has, for whatever reason, sanctioned the killing of innocent children and babies. Yes they do care about it, they just dont believe they should help the children through the government. And yes I know that about christianity but they would probably say something different.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Just now, Faysalaaa said: Yes they do care about it, they just dont believe they should help the children through the government. And yes I know that about christianity but they would probably say something different.. No, they don’t. If they did care, we wouldn’t have hungry children and a foster system overflowing. These “Christians” only care about the baby in the womb and once it turns eighteen and they can send rhem off to kill or die on foreign soil, fighting for some cause wrapped up in patriotism and Christian values. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Whispering said: No, they don’t. If they did care, we wouldn’t have hungry children and a foster system overflowing. These “Christians” only care about the baby in the womb and once it turns eighteen and they can send rhem off to kill or die on foreign soil, fighting for some cause wrapped up in patriotism and Christian values. Wars have been started from both sides republican and democrat so dont make this a republican christian issue. Atleast today they are anti war more than democrats. And yes they do care about these children. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolai Barrow 1,337 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 16 hours ago, Faysalaaa said: Nobody cares about womens pu$$y, they care about the baby inside the womans womb. Men should have a say on it because its not a womans issue, its a unborn baby issue. We have science and facts for a reason, we dont need vaginas and uterus to tell us how to vote. Half of women are pro life so even if we vote with vaginas, it still wont work. Pretty sure half of women aren't "pro life" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolai Barrow 1,337 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 To all the gay men in this discussion who are anti abortion just remember you will never have to worry about a. Getting pregnant and b. Getting a woman pregnant . . . so it's easy for you to say all women should be forced to give birth no matter the circumstances whether she was raped, child is product of incest, birth defects, ect. Or maybe the women is single and low income and will struggle everday to support the child? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllusionPerfect 191 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 People should leave Alabama as soon as possible. Lets vote with our feet too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Faysalaaa said: Wars have been started from both sides republican and democrat so dont make this a republican christian issue. Atleast today they are anti war more than democrats. And yes they do care about these children. Lol, they are trying to start a war in Iran at this moment. If they cared about these children they would care about their welfare. They do not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, Whispering said: Lol, they are trying to start a war in Iran at this moment. If they cared about these children they would care about their welfare. They do not. Yes I know im just telling you that these wars are not created by christian conservatives only, its mostly done by democrats actually. And no they do care about children, they just dont believe welfare is the solution as they dont trust government will fix these problems. They also believe that fixing peoples mistakes and making them benefit from their mistakes will incentivize people to keep doing the mistake. There are many arguments against welfare and I used to believe in them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said: Yes I know im just telling you that these wars are not created by christian conservatives only, its mostly done by democrats actually. And no they do care about children, they just dont believe welfare is the solution as they dont trust government will fix these problems. They also believe that fixing peoples mistakes and making them benefit from their mistakes will incentivize people to keep doing the mistake. There are many arguments against welfare and I used to believe in them. Not accurate. Once again, if they cared about the children, they would care about their welfare. Children can be abandoned or left behind through no fault of their own. The Bible also instructs its followers to take care of the poor, unfortunate, sick, and orphans. Punishing children or babies for their parents mistakes or unfortunate circumstances in life is both cruel and the opposite of Christ-like actions. Locking children in cages, denying educational opportunities, denying child healthcare and well baby care, and refusing to feed hungry children is the opposite of caring for children. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, Whispering said: Not accurate. Once again, if they cared about the children, they would care about their welfare. Children can be abandoned or left behind through no fault of their own. The Bible also instructs its followers to take care of the poor, unfortunate, sick, and orphans. Punishing children or babies for their parents mistakes or unfortunate circumstances in life is both cruel and the opposite of Christ-like actions. Locking children in cages, denying educational opportunities, denying child healthcare and well baby care, and refusing to feed hungry children is the opposite of caring for children. Christianities caring for children does not require welfare or government, it simply means you should help children. Many Christians do their part in helping children through charity. Just because they dont agree with your government program and solution for helping the children, does not mean they hate children. Nobody hates children, only few psychopaths that exist in this world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KatieJudasGaga4 67,907 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Can everyone give an applause to @Whispering stating facts! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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