Beyhives are just jealous cause Taylor's critical acclaim COMES WITH hits

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3 hours ago, Sane said:

Of course Taylor will be more commercially successful because she knows her demographic. White,tasteless, no substance, generic. 

 

Not true at all, I'm from Asia and I have a lot of friends that stan Taylor, If you cared to listen, RED, speak now and the b-sides of 1989 aren't generic at all. 

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Sane said:

They can’t relate to drive, dedication, and hard work. They relate to laziness and imperfection because it makes them feel less insecure about their own lives. 

 

So listening to Taylor means you're a lazy person now? Are you okay? I stan kpop artists who work 1000x harder than western artists so does that mean im a hardworking person irl? damn you're actually not really bright are you.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Sane said:

The only reason Taylor sells is because she is the music equivalent to McDonald’s. McDonald’s sells a billion burgers a day but is it food that people even admit they like? Ask yourself that question and then we can discuss how Beyonce is UNDERRATED.

 

If people didn't like it then why would they buy the food? Make it make sense. A lot of people buy McDonalds is because its price is cheap, but the thing is all music has the same price, and how can you speak for everyone that they don't think McDonalds is nice? 

 

I guess the reason you made another account to type out all that is because you know what you're typing is wrong 

[dnzr 372]

Mess at my reply format  not sure why it turned out like that , and I can't edit it too 

[Karl 3,421]

But Taylor is just a massive cornball, like the way she performs with the hand movements and the eye movements just makes me cringe. Taylor is a better songwriter but Beyonce is more of force of nature performance wise. Also hits don't make an artist, look at Bowie, he didn't have an amazing amount of hits but he's recognised for his albums and talent and performances 

[Lippoutou 4,571]

9 hours ago, monsterdino said:

- Taylor is not as critically acclaimed as Beyonce

- Beyonce actually makes miles better music than Taylor

- If anything BeyHives are only mad because people are awarding white mediocrity over black excellence

 

that's all

White mediocrity over black excellence 

Omg you guys are being so ridiculous it's getting funny

[monsterdino 31,997]

21 hours ago, Lippoutou said:

White mediocrity over black excellence 

Omg you guys are being so ridiculous it's getting funny

Tell me what is not mediocre about Taylor?

[Lippoutou 4,571]

1 hour ago, monsterdino said:

Tell me what is not mediocre about Taylor?

Tell me what is clever about linking the fact that Taylor is mediocre (according to you) with the fact that she's white ?

[StrawberryBlond 14,881]

I think that's exactly it. I think her fans know it deep down. She hasn't had a US #1 since Single Ladies and if she weren't Beyonce, this would be enough for her to be called a flop by now. Beyonce stopped getting #1's around the time Gaga started getting #1's and she's still getting them whereas Beyonce stalled on that front ages ago. Now, I'm no fan of Taylor either but I can at least acknowledge that she knows what it takes to make a hit song even though she's been struggling on that front lately too. But she ticks a lot more boxes than Beyonce and that's what gets the Hive buzzing. Other than singing/performance ability and more Grammys, Beyonce lags behind Taylor considerably in terms of single sales and positions, album sales and even to an extent, touring sales. Their critical areception is pretty much matched. I've noticed that the Hive is usually very critical of artists who can have hit singles, yet they weren't like that a decade ago, when Beyonce was having hits like them. Now that she can't do that, they're holding onto whatever they can and being bitter towards those who can still make hits and have a more dedicated fanbase.

By the way, @dnzr, as an Asian, what do you make of Beyonce's recent attitude of celebrating being black in her music? Because as a white person, this makes me feel like her music is not for me and I'm sure it's the same for Asians and anyone else who isn't black. I notice she had a huge fanbase in Asia up until about 2009, then she just seemed to fall off their radar and she hasn't toured there since her Sasha Fierce album. It's weird because she really supported that territory when touring and performed at big venues there, so where did her fanbase go from this continent? I can't help but think that making her music less danceable, more contemporary RnB focused and black-focused is what stopped them connecting with her, that they just didn't get her now. I notice that Lemonade's sales in Asia is basically non-existant and I just think her new work doesn't gel with their musical tastes and it obviously doesn't speak to their race. I think being black-focused works great for your American reception but really alienates your international audience which is where I think she's taken a huge misstep though no one seems to call this out.

On 5/5/2019 at 3:19 AM, Sane said:

I really have to chime into this conversation really quick. I’m seeing a lot of hate coming towards Beyonce. Remember her Homecoming album, which is a live compilation of her PAST catalogue debuted at number 4 and is already predicted to be nominated for Album of the Year at the Grammys. Let that sink in. Of course Taylor will be more commercially successful because she knows her demographic. White,tasteless, no substance, generic. Beyonce just finished a sold out stadium tour off of OLD MUSIC lol. I feel like ppl hate Beyonce because they feel they can’t relate to her. They can’t relate to drive, dedication, and hard work. They relate to laziness and imperfection because it makes them feel less insecure about their own lives. Beyoncé’s latest live album is the most critically acclaimed female album of all time lol like we have to stop acting like Beyonce is not the khalessi of this world. The only person who comes close to the iconicness and drive of Beyonce is Gaga. THATS IT. The only reason Taylor sells is because she is the music equivalent to McDonald’s. McDonald’s sells a billion burgers a day but is it food that people even admit they like? Ask yourself that question and then we can discuss how Beyonce is UNDERRATED.

What are you on about? Beyonce's last stadium tour was her joint tour with Jay, which involved them singing songs from their new album and an equal amount of old solo hits. But even if it was all old songs, that's arguably less impressive because it's actually easier to have a smash tour when it's a greatest hits tour as opposed to trying to sell to the public who might not appreciate your new output. Well, yes, people may not be able to relate to Beyonce but that's got nothing to do with being jealous of her ambition and hard work. It's because she's become so self-obsessed and up herself over the last few years. I've heard many a former fan say that this is why they gave up on her as she's become too vain and pretentious so there's nothing to relate to anymore and her music isn't danceable like it used to be. And yeah, she got great critical reception for a live retake of an album because the album in its original conception got great reviews, duh. McDonalds customers wouldn't be buying if they didn't like it and it's the same with music. And while I'm no Taylor fan, I won't deny she has a whole bunch of fans who show their dedication to their fave by buying all her work, even though, like Beyonce, it wasn't on Spotify, yet it still sells more than Beyonce's equally exclusive paid-tier album, so what's her excuse for selling less?

[monsterdino 31,997]

13 hours ago, Lippoutou said:

Tell me what is clever about linking the fact that Taylor is mediocre (according to you) with the fact that she's white ?

it is important bc no matter how much great music is made by black ppl it will still be awarded to music that is not that great to a white person:

 

Examples:

Kacey - Golden Hour won

Janelle - Dirty Computer lost

 

Adele - 25 won

Beyonce - Lemonade lost (praised by every critic)

 

Taylor -1989 won

Kendrick - To Pimp A Butterfly lost (the highest critical acclaim an album has gotten)

 

and this is just one of the few examples

[dnzr 372]

3 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

By the way, @dnzr, as an Asian, what do you make of Beyonce's recent attitude of celebrating being black in her music? Because as a white person, this makes me feel like her music is not for me and I'm sure it's the same for Asians and anyone else who isn't black. I notice she had a huge fanbase in Asia up until about 2009, then she just seemed to fall off their radar and she hasn't toured there since her Sasha Fierce album. It's weird because she really supported that territory when touring and performed at big venues there, so where did her fanbase go from this continent? I can't help but think that making her music less danceable, more contemporary RnB focused and black-focused is what stopped them connecting with her, that they just didn't get her now. I notice that Lemonade's sales in Asia is basically non-existant and I just think her new work doesn't gel with their musical tastes and it obviously doesn't speak to their race. I think being black-focused works great for your American reception but really alienates your international audience which is where I think she's taken a huge misstep though no one seems to call this out.

 

Honestly, yes I think the main reason why Asians don't really stan her that much anymore is exactly because of  that. Most of her fans are basically 30 years old +++ now and she stopped getting younger fans since her music isn't really radio-friendly-gp-hit. Well, I'm happy that she's able to celebrate her race in her music, but it is undeniable that it makes her music less relatable for other races compared to black people. But of course, that doesn't mean if you aren't black you can't stan her. It's just going to be harder for people to  stan her.