Avengers Endgame $1.2 Billion Debut

[Logan 20,739]

It honestly is a special experience to be able to be on this cinematic journey for 11 years. It feels like the end of an era and it makes me feel old. Sad to see it go but they went out with a bang. 

[elijahfan 26,275]

8 minutes ago, Ziggy said:

This isn’t a new phenomenon; it’s only happening now because at the end of the day this industry is a business and people buy into properties that they are familiar with. It’s got a lot going into it, but as less people go to theaters, prices rise, thus making people want to go less so they become strategic about what they see and people will more readily invest in familiar IP like comic movies than they will new product. In a lot of ways, it really is in the hands of the audiences (because of capitalism).

It is indeed a vicious circle - the more people will pay to see the same old ****, the more studios will be eager to serve this again and again.

And it doesn't mean people aren't interested in original content, just look at streaming services like Netflix.

[Harry 26,836]

2 hours ago, elijahfan said:

I've seen it, and I guess it was entertaining. But I'm really not a huge Marvel fan, I suffered from super-hero fatigue as early as the beginning of Phase 2 of the MCU... Pretty much went to see it to stay in the pop cultural loop, but that's it.

And yeah, you've pretty much summed it up, and as long as people will go see all this, the less original big studios are gonna be willing to get. I'm not afraid to say that TV has become superior in terms of content for quite some time now. I'm glad people are enjoying these movies, but imo they are the literal death of filmmaking. 

Feel like this is a massively unfair exaggeration. To be able to tell a story and captivate the interest of such a huge audience worldwide for over 11 years is an enormous feat, and the success of this film wrapping up that enormous interweaving story is testament to that. The characters and elements of the storylines are of course adapted from the comic books, but only some ideas are borrowed - it's not a direct adaptation like Harry Potter or something.

To have an expansive universe be so consistently entertaining, compelling and successful over such a long time is surely the antithesis of "the literal death of filmmaking". The release of this film has felt like the biggest cinematic event that there has been in a really long time. I don't know the last film that got so many casuals excited and in the theater. Some of my friends and I went to a showing at like 11pm last night and the screen was packed.

I feel like it's an easy and lazy take to suggest that big studio + known characters + big hype = easily bankable success. Plenty superhero films have flopped, and for good reason. Marvel have pulled off the expanded universe in such a huge way. Regardless of having decades of content and stories at your disposable, that is not easy to translate to screen - just ask DC. Cinema is certainly having the problem right now that you describe, but Marvel is not part of that imo. "The death of filmmaking" is such an overdramatic statement lol.

[Morphine Prince 106,075]

Deserves every dollar. 

[elijahfan 26,275]

4 minutes ago, Harry said:

Feel like this is a massively unfair exaggeration. To be able to tell a story and captivate the interest of such a huge audience worldwide for over 11 years is an enormous feat, and the success of this film wrapping up that enormous interweaving story is testament to that. The characters and elements of the storylines are of course adapted from the comic books, but only some ideas are borrowed - it's not a direct adaptation like Harry Potter or something.

To have an expansive universe be so consistently entertaining, compelling and successful over such a long time is surely the antithesis of "the literal death of filmmaking". The release of this film has felt like the biggest cinematic event that there has been in a really long time. I don't know the last film that got so many casuals excited and in the theater. Some of my friends and I went to a showing at like 11pm last night and the screen was packed.

I feel like it's an easy and lazy take to suggest that big studio + known characters + big hype = easily bankable success. Plenty superhero films have flopped, and for good reason. Marvel have pulled off the expanded universe in such a huge way. Regardless of having decades of content and stories at your disposable, that is not easy to translate to screen - just ask DC. Cinema is certainly having the problem right now that you describe, but Marvel is not part of that imo. "The death of filmmaking" is such an overdramatic statement lol.

Like I said repeatedly in this thread, this is great that people are enjoying it and that it is getting this kind of success. The only thing I'm pointing out is that those records are very bad news for future original projects. I'm not taking away anything from Marvel, but I know how executives think and how those records will shape the future of cinema. That's all.

[Harry 26,836]

1 minute ago, elijahfan said:

Like I said repeatedly in this thread, this is great that people are enjoying it and that it is getting this kind of success. The only thing I'm pointing out is that those records are very bad news for future original projects. I'm not taking away anything from Marvel, but I know how executives think and how those records will shape the future of cinema. That's all.

Sounds like a different point than you were initially making. To call the success of the MCU "the literal death of filmmaking" and suggest that the stories can't be fresh or original because they are based on established properties is pretty outrageous. It undermines the enormous narrative achievement that has come full circle with this film. I see it as a separate problem entirely - big studios not investing in original projects isn't the fault of Marvel. And it isn't a new thing... almost every big movie franchise I can think of is an adaptation of novels or comic books. The exception being Star Wars.

[elijahfan 26,275]

1 minute ago, Harry said:

Sounds like a different point than you were initially making. To call the success of the MCU "the literal death of filmmaking" and suggest that the stories can't be fresh or original because they are based on established properties is pretty outrageous. It undermines the enormous narrative achievement that has come full circle with this film. I see it as a separate problem entirely - big studios not investing in original projects isn't the fault of Marvel. And it isn't a new thing... almost every big movie franchise I can think of is an adaptation of novels or comic books. The exception being Star Wars.

I'm literally not talking about the fact that this is adapted material, I'm talking about the fact this is a franchise that spans 22 films in roughly a decade. Had it been original material at the beginning, my opinion would have remained the same today.

For instance, I am a huge Star Wars fan, which was initially original material, but now I'm growing more and more tired of it to the point that spin off movies don't excite me one bit. If you had told me 10 years ago that I'd grow tired of Star Wars, I would have laughed. But you can only milk a franchise for so long I guess.

[Harry 26,836]

5 minutes ago, elijahfan said:

I'm literally not talking about the fact that this is adapted material, I'm talking about the fact this is a franchise that spans 22 films in roughly a decade. Had it been original material at the beginning, my opinion would have remained the same today.

For instance, I am a huge Star Wars fan, which was initially original material, but now I'm growing more and more tired of it to the point that spin off movies don't excite me one bit. If you had told me 10 years ago that I'd grow tired of Star Wars, I would have laughed. But you can only milk a franchise for so long I guess.

Proof is in the pudding. People simply wouldn't respond if they weren't doing a good job. That sounds like something that is very much personal to your taste - to say superhero movies aren't an event anymore in a thread about Endgame is simply laughable. You can only milk a franchise for so long? Marvel are about to have their biggest hit after 22 films in 11 years. Let me know when that statement becomes applicable lol.

[Jill 30,248]

2 hours ago, elijahfan said:

super-hero movies have stopped being the events they used to be

how can you possibly say this on an article that says a superhero movie is on its way to become the highest-grossing film ever made?

[Angelm 8,655]

1 hour ago, Wigless said:

Ma what? Why? is it the last super hero movie ever? (omg I hope)

This is the closing of a saga that has been 10 years in the making, and the opening of a new one 

[elijahfan 26,275]

31 minutes ago, Harry said:

Proof is in the pudding. People simply wouldn't respond if they weren't doing a good job. That sounds like something that is very much personal to your taste - to say superhero movies aren't an event anymore in a thread about Endgame is simply laughable. You can only milk a franchise for so long? Marvel are about to have their biggest hit after 22 films in 11 years. Let me know when that statement becomes applicable lol.

I've never pretended to express anything else than my own opinion. Also, if the best movies were the ones racking up billions at the box office, that would be news to me.

[elijahfan 26,275]

31 minutes ago, The Bad Joker said:

how can you possibly say this on an article that says a superhero movie is on its way to become the highest-grossing film ever made?

Endgame is probably not the best example of that, I grant you. But who can pretend that each and every one of those 22 movies will have marked their times and be remembered in the decades to come? There was another one released a month ago, and another one is coming in 2 months. I mean... super-hero movies have become part of our everyday life, and while a few of them are still events for a various number of reasons, most of them are forgotten in a matter of weeks. I'm sorry, but that's the reality of our current cultural landscape.

[LaLuna 12,732]

How people are still so much into these movies is beyond me. Superhero movies got boring to me like 10 years ago

Doesn't it get like... repetitive? 

Oh well, to each their own I suppose 

[julz 7,154]

Epic movie! First time i saw people applauding several times in the theatre. It is a pop culture event, for fans and not. I am lowkey looking forward to see Gaga in Phase 4 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Stan Lee wants her in. Even as a villain, thats okay with me.

[Quark 7,098]

29 minutes ago, LaLuna said:

How people are still so much into these movies is beyond me. Superhero movies got boring to me like 10 years ago

Doesn't it get like... repetitive? 

Oh well, to each their own I suppose 

They are only the same in the sense that they all have superheroes against super villains. But each character is different and each character has its own unique story.