Was ARTPOP ahead of its time?

[Michael78 890]

no, the whole album wasn't ahead of its time, except for the song ARTPOP.

[TheRealJT 2,291]

Sort of. I think Gaga always knows what the next big thing is, but sometimes she gets to the party a little too early. Gypsy would of been a big hit in 2016.

And recently all these pop country songs are becoming hits which she predicted with Joanne. 

[Guest]

ARTPOP was always bound to fail just because it came out after BTW and the timing. I think it was also timing of when the GP had enough of Gaga.

[Jadeykins 1,418]

I feel like ARTPOP is more significant now that Gaga has largely overcome the struggles she was facing when she made it. The album is messy. Lyrically and in production. the iTunes festival performances definitely hinted that the album could have been better. At the time it made me mad at her because she went self destruct in my eyes. She even said that she purposefully changed "I wanna be with you" to "dope" so that it would be unsellable for example. Listening to it now knowing what she was facing. How her sexual assault was consuming her so much and she was so sick of being controlled by everyone. all I hear is a desire to fight back. A wreckless insanity. The album is a mess. on purpose. It's manic and dizzying. Confusing, bizarre and even painful. We see mental illness made into art often but I have never seen it done the way it's done in ARTPOP. Turning the decent into madness into a celebration. A dance. There's a tragic and beautiful story bleeding through this album full of EDM. This album doesn't need defending anymore. It's like Kate Bush's "the dreaming" it's her "she's gone mad" album and just like "the dreaming" it took a long time to be appreciated as the art it really was 

[Inferno 2,880]

On 4/9/2019 at 8:12 PM, Smother Em Eh said:

In concept and message, yes. In sound, no. It was outdated by the time it came out. 

But it is slept on tho.

 

On 4/9/2019 at 8:05 PM, warholagaga said:

the sound was dated at the time, so no

 

On 4/9/2019 at 7:57 PM, Borisapillar said:

No, it was behind its time, unfortunately.

 

On 4/9/2019 at 8:29 PM, VOLANTIS said:

The complete opposite. The album had sounds the GP got over in 2012. 

 

On 4/9/2019 at 8:19 PM, Unbeweavable said:

No? it was behind no?  I mean the g.u.y original she used the instrumental from was kinda old?  ARTPOP was literally way behind it's time/what we thought it'd be

 

On 4/9/2019 at 8:08 PM, dynamite said:

If it was ahead of its time surely it would sound modern and fresh now? I like the album but it sounds a bit dated, so no.

I hatethe termdated

I don't mean this positively or negatively, DJ White Shadow  who executive produced the album has this certain type of ear that imo is comparable to Rob Fusari in the sense that at least in working with Gaga, the music doesn't sound of its time, of the past, or of the future. ARTPOP at the time of its release was like in its own little corner sonically, yes theres realms of edm from which it originates but its not like.....it wasn't...idk how to articulate this. the actual heart of the production of the album wasn't like top 40 pandering enough to be dated regardless of the fact that it was edm derivative. it existed in its own space using popular notions of that general moment. 2012 was largely ibiza club inspired edm which gaga kind of indirectly traversed in her first 2 releases with redone. Aside from the fact that the album was conceived in 2012, production wise there wasn't a whole lot 2012 about it. I always mention this when people discuss edm as passe, ibiza club music is actually the sound most people associate with those "edm" years on pop radio. its a very specific sound whereas edm is just a generalized umbrella term for electronic music.

What was "dated" imo was the whole rave concept of her marketing and especially the tour. that i'll give you all.

[Economy 49,623]

On 4/9/2019 at 11:08 PM, dynamite said:

If it was ahead of its time surely it would sound modern and fresh now? I like the album but it sounds a bit dated, so no.

This! There hasn't been any popular music that sounds like ARTPOP so how can we say it's ahead of its time?@1

[xdxrovied 323]

deserved better: yes gawd

ahead of its time: no

[monsieurRed 299]

Not sure about the sound being ahead of its time but her ideas definitely were. She just wasn’t able to execute them. She was going to drop a visual album before Bey. We were promised she was going to connect technology to music in a new way that we’d never seen before. None of that happened unfortunately. 

[Mr S 8,672]

LOL no quite the opposite actually. Behind  it's time.

Having said that, it still could have been better with some changes. The image/aesthetic, hype, and pretentiousness kind of ruined it.

[FATCAT 60,011]

I think it was in its time, if not a little behind. F*CK TROY. He definitely was trash & using Gaga when she was hurt.

[Inferno 2,880]

9 minutes ago, GrigioGirl1 said:

LOL no quite the opposite actually. Behind  it's time.

Having said that, it still could have been better with some changes. The image/aesthetic, hype, and pretentiousness kind of ruined it.

The initial minimalist aesthetic used during the promo shoots was on point though, which I believe was the original aesthetic the era was intended to have before she went rogue and rebelled against her crumbling management by going balls out arts and crafts maximalist.

in an interview, i forgot which, the team had said with this era they were focusing less on over the top ensembles and taking a more minimalist approach but keeping the weird in playing with textures and fabrics rather. which was evidenced by her initial street looks as well which were so lovely

had she kept up with this type of fashion and used the promo shots as the album shoot as I imagine they were originally going to, I think it all would've at least looked better as a product then what the era ended up turning into.

[androiduser 7,438]

not AT ALL... some of the tracks were really behind their time, and at best the rest was current or timeless

[Inferno 2,880]

18 minutes ago, androiduser said:

not AT ALL... some of the tracks were really behind their time, and at best the rest was current or timeless

Just for the sake of argument im curious to know which tracks specifically sounded behind their time, in an era inundated with ibiza influenced club music a la Starships or Ellie Goulding and dubstep/trap type beats with anonymous female vocals laid on top. I just can't imagine what sounded behind on this album. The album to me sounded too alienated to be of the past or the future. It was like DJWS and Gaga were holed up in the studio aware of the edm trends surrounding them and making music in their heads with the trends of the time as only vague suggestions influencing their moves. Ill agree though at best some of the songs were simply just, then, current.

[Shaney 5,515]

Not really. It was just not executed the best.

[Babel 41,431]

On 4/9/2019 at 9:57 PM, Borisapillar said:

No, it was behind its time, unfortunately.

 

On 4/9/2019 at 10:05 PM, warholagaga said:

the sound was dated at the time, so no

 

On 4/9/2019 at 10:08 PM, dynamite said:

If it was ahead of its time surely it would sound modern and fresh now? I like the album but it sounds a bit dated, so no.

 

On 4/9/2019 at 10:12 PM, Smother Em Eh said:

In concept and message, yes. In sound, no. It was outdated by the time it came out. 

But it is slept on tho.

 

On 4/9/2019 at 10:19 PM, Unbeweavable said:

No? it was behind no?  I mean the g.u.y original she used the instrumental from was kinda old?  ARTPOP was literally way behind it's time/what we thought it'd be

 

On 4/9/2019 at 10:29 PM, VOLANTIS said:

The complete opposite. The album had sounds the GP got over in 2012. 

 

On 4/9/2019 at 10:44 PM, Twitter said:

Exactly what I was gonna say. 

 

1 hour ago, GrigioGirl1 said:

LOL no quite the opposite actually. Behind  it's time.

Having said that, it still could have been better with some changes. The image/aesthetic, hype, and pretentiousness kind of ruined it.

 

1 hour ago, FATCAT said:

I think it was in its time, if not a little behind. F*CK TROY. He definitely was trash & using Gaga when she was hurt.

 

36 minutes ago, androiduser said:

not AT ALL... some of the tracks were really behind their time, and at best the rest was current or timeless

You guys keep telling the album was “dated” upon release but then again people are just finding out about G.U.Y. With this tweet (6 years later) and are loving it. Check replies