Ava Max: "No one's better than Beyoncé"

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4 hours ago, Joshie S said:

I just.. I don't think so.

GagaDaily has ALWAYS been about pop culture as well, inclusive of all artists. If you want to stop one artists threads, you would have to stop threads about every single other artist, and then you will just get bored and stop using GGD.

It's pop culture. It's what's going on in the world.

Stop being such a moron and get over it.

ATRL is pop culture forum. 

This is Gagadaily. I expect daily news about Gaga, not anyone else. Not even her sister or mother or father.  Even if there is there would be Joe Germanotta Discussion Thread that can be used as general thread for that artist which can be followed by GGD members which even get notified when the thread gets updated. These are the rules of the boards, I've got multiple WP's over that so I should know. 

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6 hours ago, Biggest Fan said:

Does that mean she is at the level Gaga is?

In terms of performing and stamina, Beyonce is on a higher level than gaga.

Vocally, I`d say they're on the same level

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24 minutes ago, FameMonster01 said:

In terms of performing and stamina, Beyonce is on a higher level than gaga.

Vocally, I`d say they're on the same level

But if we consider artistry levels then Gaga can't be touched. 

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3 minutes ago, JFK said:

But if we consider artistry levels then Gaga can't be touched. 

That`s true, Gaga is an artist and multitalented

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19 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

In this case, it's not about pitting them against each other,  but it has its relevancy here because Ava's clearly inspired by Gaga more than anyone else. So, for her to say Gaga isn't the best just doesn't add up.

And I have seen many videos of Beyonce's live performances. Very few of them move me. I've noticed that lately, she's not doing as much dancing, leaving out parts of her choruses and letting her vocals slide. And lets not put aside the fact that she's been lipsynching select performances for a long time. Just because lots of people think she's the best doesn't make them right. Not saying my opinion's right either, it's just that, an opinion. Beyonce isn't automatically the best because a lot of people say so.

We're not acting like Madonna fans just because we're calling out a strange inaccuracy between who a singer is most inspired by and who is actually their favourite.

But Ava has never said Gaga is her main inspiration, so your jumping to conclusions because she’s blond. She’s clearly not as interested in fashion, art and emotion as Gaga is, and is more concentrated on catchy songs and strong vocals. Her similarity to Gaga is literally her hair, and the fact that one song propelled her career  in terms of artistry, it’s not all that similar  

And I was referring seeing Beyonce live in concert, not via YouTube. Beyonce is a powerhouse performer, even if she’s not the “best.” But let’s also not act like Gaga isn’t struggling to catch her breath during enigma, and using more backing vocals than she used to. Acts age, and change. Let’s be fair. 

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Guys, chill out, it's just an opinion 

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19 minutes ago, JohnnyVersace said:

But Ava has never said Gaga is her main inspiration, so your jumping to conclusions because she’s blond. She’s clearly not as interested in fashion, art and emotion as Gaga is, and is more concentrated on catchy songs and strong vocals. Her similarity to Gaga is literally her hair, and the fact that one song propelled her career  in terms of artistry, it’s not all that similar  

And I was referring seeing Beyonce live in concert, not via YouTube. Beyonce is a powerhouse performer, even if she’s not the “best.” But let’s also not act like Gaga isn’t struggling to catch her breath during enigma, and using more backing vocals than she used to. Acts age, and change. Let’s be fair. 

She may have never said it, but it's obvious. And it's a lot more to do with her being blond. She wants to stand out with an unusual haircut, in the same way Gaga stood out with that lightning bolt on her face at the beginning. With Sweet But Psycho, she delved into dark topics to present a more hardcore pop music, which is something Gaga's been doing since the beginning. With So Am I, she was trying to recreate her own BTW, trying to appeal to the same misfit crowd that subscribes to Gaga. She even vocally sounds like her and even incorporated the "ma ma mama ma" sound in Sweet But Psycho. She even facially looks like her (not that that's her fault, it's just the cherry on top). To say it's "literally her hair" that's similar is a bit of an exaggeration.

I know you're probably going to say that seeing Beyonce live in person is so much better, but really, Gaga performances can move on just as easily through a screen, even performances that I never attended, as can that of of other artists, so I think it's a pretty good gauge. If Beyonce can't sing and dance as well as she used to, maybe she should just leave the dancing to her actual dancers and concentrate on making her vocals better. Engima's just a little side gig for Gaga and she's recovering from a bad bout of fibro, so I think her case is a bit different. I'm sure she'll bring it for her next proper tour. Beyonce has actually not been singing on parts that are supposed to be her doing lead vocals now, preferring to focus on the dancing instead of singing some parts. I don't think Gaga's quite got to the stage yet.

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2 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

She may have never said it, but it's obvious. And it's a lot more to do with her being blond. She wants to stand out with an unusual haircut, in the same way Gaga stood out with that lightning bolt on her face at the beginning. With Sweet But Psycho, she delved into dark topics to present a more hardcore pop music, which is something Gaga's been doing since the beginning. With So Am I, she was trying to recreate her own BTW, trying to appeal to the same misfit crowd that subscribes to Gaga. She even vocally sounds like her and even incorporated the "ma ma mama ma" sound in Sweet But Psycho. She even facially looks like her (not that that's her fault, it's just the cherry on top). To say it's "literally her hair" that's similar is a bit of an exaggeration.

I know you're probably going to say that seeing Beyonce live in person is so much better, but really, Gaga performances can move on just as easily through a screen, even performances that I never attended, as can that of of other artists, so I think it's a pretty good gauge. If Beyonce can't sing and dance as well as she used to, maybe she should just leave the dancing to her actual dancers and concentrate on making her vocals better. Engima's just a little side gig for Gaga and she's recovering from a bad bout of fibro, so I think her case is a bit different. I'm sure she'll bring it for her next proper tour. Beyonce has actually not been singing on parts that are supposed to be her doing lead vocals now, preferring to focus on the dancing instead of singing some parts. I don't think Gaga's quite got to the stage yet.

I don't mean to be rude, but the excuses here are just....cringe....

Sweet But Psycho does not present a "dark topic" in a way comparable to TFM. And So Am I is more of a discussion on mental health, whereas BTW was literally a political movement. Like I said, the similarities are there in terms of her trajectory and wacky hair, but Ava is a very dumbed down and bubblegum in comparison to LG. That's why I don't get why so many of you on here are so threatened by her, and feel the need to drag and call her a copy. Like, that's honestly insulting to Gaga. 

Seeing a performer live is different period. The way Beyonce commands a crowd just by standing on stage is something Gaga does not do in the same way. She's more powerful, and that's my opinion. Saying that she shouldn't dance because she's aged, and should just sing and have her dancers do the choreo is just plain idiotic. She's not Mariah Carey. You don't know about her health problems or challenges, and let's also remember she's given BIRTH to multiple children. That takes a toll on your body. The fact that she can still deliver on stage (see: Coachella 2018) is incredible. She's not 30 anymore, she's been through a lot of ****, personally and physically, and she's still a top act. Period. 

If you want to discredit Enigma as a "side gig" in order to defend Gaga's fibro and less-than-stellar dancing/vocals, then go off. But it doesn't change the fact that Gaga can't even do the Poker Face flip without a hiccup, and is out of breath during a bunch of the songs. It's just laughable, that Beyonce is seen to you as unable to dance and sing, yet because Enigma isn't a tour, it's excusable for Gaga to falter. AND, she's still the superior act? No. Sorry. 

Enigma, imo, is one of her best shows. I also am able to see that she's aged, and her body has changed and she can't do what she used to, as cleanly as she did. And that's ok, she's human. BUT, to say that Beyonce can't sing and dance as well as she used to, and deny that Lady Gaga can't sing and dance as well as she used to is....laughable, truly. 

 

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24 minutes ago, JohnnyVersace said:

I don't mean to be rude, but the excuses here are just....cringe....

Sweet But Psycho does not present a "dark topic" in a way comparable to TFM. And So Am I is more of a discussion on mental health, whereas BTW was literally a political movement. Like I said, the similarities are there in terms of her trajectory and wacky hair, but Ava is a very dumbed down and bubblegum in comparison to LG. That's why I don't get why so many of you on here are so threatened by her, and feel the need to drag and call her a copy. Like, that's honestly insulting to Gaga. 

Seeing a performer live is different period. The way Beyonce commands a crowd just by standing on stage is something Gaga does not do in the same way. She's more powerful, and that's my opinion. Saying that she shouldn't dance because she's aged, and should just sing and have her dancers do the choreo is just plain idiotic. She's not Mariah Carey. You don't know about her health problems or challenges, and let's also remember she's given BIRTH to multiple children. That takes a toll on your body. The fact that she can still deliver on stage (see: Coachella 2018) is incredible. She's not 30 anymore, she's been through a lot of ****, personally and physically, and she's still a top act. Period. 

If you want to discredit Enigma as a "side gig" in order to defend Gaga's fibro and less-than-stellar dancing/vocals, then go off. But it doesn't change the fact that Gaga can't even do the Poker Face flip without a hiccup, and is out of breath during a bunch of the songs. It's just laughable, that Beyonce is seen to you as unable to dance and sing, yet because Enigma isn't a tour, it's excusable for Gaga to falter. AND, she's still the superior act? No. Sorry. 

Enigma, imo, is one of her best shows. I also am able to see that she's aged, and her body has changed and she can't do what she used to, as cleanly as she did. And that's ok, she's human. BUT, to say that Beyonce can't sing and dance as well as she used to, and deny that Lady Gaga can't sing and dance as well as she used to is....laughable, truly. 

 

Sure, Ava presents dark topics in a much sweeter way than Gaga, but she's still trying to do that "make something dark and scary mainstream" idea, right down to using an actual axe in the video, which is totally something Gaga would do. BTW was totally about mental health as well, encouraging you to have higher self esteem and not to be depressed about being different. It's the exact same story. But this isn't me dragging her. You may not realise but I actually like her and I don't think we should be dragging her. I have no problem with her being inspired by Gaga but my only wish is that she admits to it, but she seems to be doing everything in her power to avoid talking about it. At least Gaga never shied away from Madonna comparisons, she just dealt with them head on.

I've seen how much the crowd goes wild for Gaga when she's standing in silence. Trust me, she has all that power and more, it's just that she doesn't have the PR to make everyone believe it like Beyonce does. I didn't say she should never dance or is incapable of it but the point is that she's a singer first and foremost, not a dancer, so if she can't do that as well or its ruining her vocals, perhaps leave it out? I've been suggesting Gaga do the same ever since she broke her hip. I love her for her singing, the dancing is just a bonus. As a singer, your voice should always be your top priority and everything else comes second. Of course I realise that childbirth has changed her, but that's exactly my point. She can no longer be the best live performer as she can't perform to the same level anymore. Jennifer Lopez has had 2 children and has an amazing body and can still dance like nobody's business and she's 49. I think even she's a better performer than Beyonce.

Enigma isn't a world tour on a stadium stage, it's a short residency in a Vegas theatre. Big difference about "bringing it." I'd make the same excuses for Beyonce if she was the one doing a residency. So they can hardly be compared. Let's judge it when Gaga comes back with a solo world tour.

 

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7 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Sure, Ava presents dark topics in a much sweeter way than Gaga, but she's still trying to do that "make something dark and scary mainstream" idea, right down to using an actual axe in the video, which is totally something Gaga would do. BTW was totally about mental health as well, encouraging you to have higher self esteem and not to be depressed about being different. It's the exact same story. But this isn't me dragging her. You may not realise but I actually like her and I don't think we should be dragging her. I have no problem with her being inspired by Gaga but my only wish is that she admits to it, but she seems to be doing everything in her power to avoid talking about it. At least Gaga never shied away from Madonna comparisons, she just dealt with them head on.

I've seen how much the crowd goes wild for Gaga when she's standing in silence. Trust me, she has all that power and more, it's just that she doesn't have the PR to make everyone believe it like Beyonce does. I didn't say she should never dance or is incapable of it but the point is that she's a singer first and foremost, not a dancer, so if she can't do that as well or its ruining her vocals, perhaps leave it out? I've been suggesting Gaga do the same ever since she broke her hip. I love her for her singing, the dancing is just a bonus. As a singer, your voice should always be your top priority and everything else comes second. Of course I realise that childbirth has changed her, but that's exactly my point. She can no longer be the best live performer as she can't perform to the same level anymore. Jennifer Lopez has had 2 children and has an amazing body and can still dance like nobody's business and she's 49. I think even she's a better performer than Beyonce.

Enigma isn't a world tour on a stadium stage, it's a short residency in a Vegas theatre. Big difference about "bringing it." I'd make the same excuses for Beyonce if she was the one doing a residency. So they can hardly be compared. Let's judge it when Gaga comes back with a solo world tour.

 

So is Gaga not a great performer anymore because she's not performing at the level she once was?

I honestly can't discuss this with someone who thinks J.Lo is superior to Beyonce lol. It's clear there's a chip on your shoulder, as there is with a lot of this fan base. It's not PR that attracts millions of fans, and it's pretty ignorant to think so. 

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7 minutes ago, JohnnyVersace said:

So is Gaga not a great performer anymore because she's not performing at the level she once was?

I honestly can't discuss this with someone who thinks J.Lo is superior to Beyonce lol. It's clear there's a chip on your shoulder, as there is with a lot of this fan base. It's not PR that attracts millions of fans, and it's pretty ignorant to think so. 

I still think she's a great performer because she still excels in other ways.

I didn't say J Lo was superior in voice (although she can sing way better than she's given credit for) but honestly, her live dancing performances are outstanding, she's head and shoulders above Beyonce, despite being older. PR can actually gain you a whole lot of fans, as it's positive promotion of your name that reels them in. Beyonce wasn't looked at in this untouchable goddess sense until 2013, when she made her big comeback and her PR went into overdrive to get the public into thinking of her as the best. It worked for a while but now I think it's ebbing out, especially with the damp squib that was that joint album.

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13 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I still think she's a great performer because she still excels in other ways.

I didn't say J Lo was superior in voice (although she can sing way better than she's given credit for) but honestly, her live dancing performances are outstanding, she's head and shoulders above Beyonce, despite being older. PR can actually gain you a whole lot of fans, as it's positive promotion of your name that reels them in. Beyonce wasn't looked at in this untouchable goddess sense until 2013, when she made her big comeback and her PR went into overdrive to get the public into thinking of her as the best. It worked for a while but now I think it's ebbing out, especially with the damp squib that was that joint album.

Ok yes, I agree Beyonce did have a very well-planned reemergence. Yet you said Gaga doesn't have the same PR, when she basically has had the same ascension from 2017-present that Beyonce did from 2013. It's like Gaga is some untouchable figure to some of you, when literally she did the same exact thing as Beyonce, and it's paid off. Well-received album, Super Bowl, Coachella, ASIB. You don't think that was PR?! If you don't think that there are people at Enigma solely because of what they've seen from Gaga in the past two years then you're delulu. Shallow is that highlight for a LOT of people, I've seen it first-hand.

And if you agree Gaga had a great marketing campaign the past couple years, does that somehow discredit her artistry and talent? I hate to break it to you, but Gaga is playing the game just as much as Beyonce lately, and they're at the top. I'm just saying, this all works both ways. Beyonce can't be some evil, talentless, fading songstress who only relies on PR, when Gaga can't even do her ****ing flip, yet is somehow eons more talented. There's a lack of correlation. 

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7 hours ago, FameMonster01 said:

In terms of performing and stamina, Beyonce is on a higher level than gaga.

Vocally, I`d say they're on the same level

Gaga and Beyoncé are NOT on the same level let’s be honest. I love Gaga but Beyoncé’s Technique and tone is simply unmatched by Gaga. Gaga is a fantastic singer but she is not a vocalist. And if we are taking technique as well Gaga is not on the same level. Beyoncé is a vocalist who can really only be compared to the vocal trinity (Mariah, Whitney & Celine)

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Lady Gaga, Academy Winner, suggest that she is the one that's better but everyone is entitled to their wrong opinions. Ava, i was opening up to you but  you is cancelled