Why are Nelly Furtado and Justin Timberlake credited but not Britney?

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1 hour ago, Gohan said:

This. 

Justin and Nelly were doing Pop with electronic pieces but it wasn't until The Black Eyed Peas, David Guetta and Gaga that it was COMPLETELY electro/edm-ish

When it comes to US radio, Gaga was before BEP and Guetta. Just Dance and Poker Face began blowing up before Boom Boom Pow, I Gotta Feeling and whatever single David Guetta released 

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Toxic actually has a Psychedelic influences.. The album itself was not electro pop but a mix of genres mixed with pop

Nelly and Justin did urban/R&B mixed with electro sounds..

[Babel 41,467]

I wouldn’t say Loose is electro pop, more like pop with hiphop influences, and truly the reason why Madonna jumped into the trend and made Rotten Candy. 

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1 hour ago, corvus albus said:

 

Firstly: Britney neither wrote nor produced Toxic. Two of the other singles flopped horribly and Everytime is not electro-pop.  Britney just never represented electro-pop with In The Zone. Also because it wasn't very good. Quality and lasting impact of the record are two very important things and In The Zone had neither.

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I really like Britney but In The Zone is all over the place quality-wise which is why it had little to no staying power.

 

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1 hour ago, corvus albus said:

 

Firstly: Britney neither wrote nor produced Toxic. Two of the other singles flopped horribly and Everytime is not electro-pop.  Britney just never represented electro-pop with In The Zone. Also because it wasn't very good. Quality and lasting impact of the record are two very important things and In The Zone had neither.

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I really like Britney but In The Zone is all over the place quality-wise which is why it had little to no staying power.

 

That’s not a fair judgment though, 

hardly any Britney singles took off charts wise until Blackout in the US because her label wanted album sales out of her and most of her singles weren’t released with the standard cd physical release. 

MATM, Toxic & everytime, outside the US all smashed. Outrageous didn’t but in the U.K. for example she got a #2, #1 and another #1 in just one era for ITZ

although I do agree with you that ITZ wasn’t electropop, it was defo more urban pop 

but then you could argue that do somethin’ That came out in 2005, was electropop, and that was before nelly (2006) and Justin (2006) but that was only really a minor hit. 

I do think blackout, musically is her most influential and Tbh the sound of that album dictated the mainstream pop sound of 2008-2010. You can even hear inspiration from blackout in albums like the fame & the fame monster especially 

 

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31 minutes ago, Dream Rider said:

Was Forca a moderate hit??? 

Do you remember if any other single from Folklore was successful. I wasn't aware in those years of the global trends. The album was a moderate success and personally one of her bests but how it perfomed in singles?

Ya. Song that was attached to major football tournament as official themes are always getting very famous back in the day. That is how Ricky Martin and Anastacia gotten known worldwide as well. Football is one of very popular sports. It is especially doing very well in Portugal, Germany and Netherlands.

That song certainly helped her to get a new base which is one of the many factors why Loose ended up so popular. 

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1 hour ago, ode said:

I don't really remember the conversation about Nelly Furtado being about dance music. It seemed like she kept talking about how she had wanted to make an "urban" and "street" record with Timbaland. Idk. She was very much moving into an R&B/hip hop direction with it, and it was billed as such. It came out quite a bit before the dance thing happened on American radio.

  

I'd actually say Loose is one of the last great examples of a pop record influenced by 2000s R&B/hiphop dominance. 

This.

Loose is pop with heavy hip hop influences and production-wise is quintessentially Timbaland. It's actually quite in line with what was popular at the time. Many loved the album but it wasn't groundbreaking or anything. I mean there was Ciara, Mariah and Amerie making very danceable songs.

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2 hours ago, corvus albus said:

 

Firstly: Britney neither wrote nor produced Toxic. Two of the other singles flopped horribly and Everytime is not electro-pop.  Britney just never represented electro-pop with In The Zone. Also because it wasn't very good. Quality and lasting impact of the record are two very important things and In The Zone had neither.

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I really like Britney but In The Zone is all over the place quality-wise which is why it had little to no staying power.

 

The only place Me Against The Music really flopped was the US.....everywhere else it peaked in the top 10

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15 minutes ago, Mirrion Rizzons said:

That’s not a fair judgment though, 

hardly any Britney singles took off charts wise until Blackout in the US because her label wanted album sales out of her and most of her singles weren’t released with the standard cd physical release. 

MATM, Toxic & everytime, outside the US all smashed. Outrageous didn’t but in the U.K. for example she got a #2, #1 and another #1 in just one era for ITZ

although I do agree with you that ITZ wasn’t electropop, it was defo more urban pop 

but then you could argue that do somethin’ That came out in 2005, was electropop, and that was before nelly (2006) and Justin (2006) but that was only really a minor hit. 

I do think blackout, musically is her most influential and Tbh the sound of that album dictated the mainstream pop sound of 2008-2010. You can even hear inspiration from blackout in albums like the fame & the fame monster especially 

 

I just always like to go back to Britney saying she wanted to move in a more urban sound but her best song of ITZ is her least "urban" song of the album. If you know the album you know that this song is Everytime. But more importantly unlike JT and Nelly Furtado who made magic happen on their respective albums around that time with Timbaland, Britney only got Danja (for Blackout and Circus), who's good (heck he made the best song of Britney's career) but he's still only a Timbaland knockoff. 

To come back to the most important aspect though is longevity and impact. The album had 7 nonconsecutive weeks on the billboard 200 which was really bad for Britney at that time. And unlike the JT and Nelly album no one outside of toxic is talking about this period of Britney and she overwrote it herself with the following disastrous years and her two followup album which managed to stick more in peoples mind.

Her most influential album sonically is her first and the Max Martin sound it helped propel into everlasting fame. ITZ is kind of a failed experiment which is why It had pretty much no real impact besides a Grammy for best dance recording.

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15 minutes ago, KatieJudasGaga4 said:

The only place Me Against The Music really flopped was the US.....everywhere else it peaked in the top 10

That is a specific american problem because of American Life. It peaked high in other countries but It was kind of like Katys Chained To The Rhythm, very frontloaded and not very big in the end.

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You all will never diminish the impact and influence of Blackout. It’s the only Britney album I like and it’s a masterpiece.

Aside from the beats, the way they used background vocals as instruments/sounds was completely fresh and has been replicated countless times in modern music.  

 

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13 minutes ago, corvus albus said:

Britney only got Danja (for Blackout and Circus), who's good (heck he made the best song of Britney's career) but he's still only a Timbaland knockoff.

Danja is Timbaland’s protege and worked on a lot of T’s most influential and successful productions. He’s certainly not a knockoff and helped create the sound that T is known for.

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2 hours ago, RAMROD said:

Because Britney was the person people love to hate during this time. When she was on the news, it was mostly negative reports. Besides, Beyonce was releasing her solo debut that year and was immensely popular, only to be sharing attention with 50 Cent and Dixie Chicks which were also everywhere. 

It's Britney Bitch! is an iconic one liner, but the song itself was not able to compete against what was popular at that time. Dirrrty and all other songs by Xtine was more popular, honestly.

Secondly, everyone was excited to see JT follow up after his successful debut, as for Nelly Furtado, she was getting some airtime outside North America thanks to Euro Cup 2004, which taken place in Portugal, where the song FORCA, that she sung on her second album was being the official theme and being a moderate hit worldwide. Imagine smaller scale of Waka-Waka, and you'll get it. So obviously many was waiting for Loose. 

Britney bitch didn’t even come until Blackout 

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1 minute ago, PenthousePssy said:

Aside from the beats, the way they used background vocals as instruments/sounds was completely fresh and has been replicated countless times in modern music.  

 

I’m pretty sure a lot of artists did that before Blackout.

No one heard Blackout besides the singles, so it’s a reach to give it credit for being “influential” when it wasn’t even a thing outside the gay scene. 

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3 minutes ago, PenthousePssy said:

He’s certainly not a knockoff and helped create the sound that T is known for.

I know that. Danja still didn't try to create an own style which you can clearly see for several years (Perfect Lover on Britney Blackout is the definition of a Timbaland knockoff beat).

Just now, PenthousePssy said:

Danja is Timbaland’s protege and worked on a lot of T’s most influential and successful productions.

 

That may be true but Timbaland already made immaculate beats before he met Danja. Best example: Cry Me A River. It was co-produced by Scott Storch who was and still is one of the worst Producers to ever have mainstream success, but Cry Me A River is absolutely perfect. Danja never made songs as good alone as he did with Timbaland.