Ego Slayer 402 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 1 minute ago, mauvais said: Uh, it's not Biden vs Trump until it's Biden vs Trump. I'm going to vote in the primary for the democrat I want elected President in a concerted effort not to elect anyone accused of creepy behavior, sexual harassment, sexual assault, etc. You do realize there's half a dozen women who will never face allegations and even more men who are not accused of any misconduct running, right? Look at Obama who never acted like this and never faced allegations of misconduct, even as Republicans tried their hardest to destroy him with Birtherism, etc. You are totally right to do so! I guess I didn’t word it very well since I’m at work but I see this happen a lot of the time where people will get so caught up in allegations when it comes time to a final vote, they will intentionally pick someone else (Bernie/Hillary for example) (I wanted to vote for Bernie but picked Hillary because I wanted anyone else but trump to win) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ego Slayer 402 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, OG Gaga Stan said: You said that we have to vote for a centrist like Biden because he'd (supposedly) be able to pick up independents, regardless of whether he's been accused of harassing women or not. There is no record of politicians being repeatedly falsely accused of sexual harassment and when that sort thing does happen, it's easily debunked. We absolutely don't have to vote for someone who has a long history of acting inappropriately around women to beat Trump. We have a dozen better choices. I’ll just direct you to my other reply 👆🏼 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othon 34,299 Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: He has apologized for the Anita Hill fiasco. At least there’s that. Right, but in that apology he said "I wish I could have done something" as if he wasn't the chair of the committee. He can't even apologize without a gaff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ego Slayer 402 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 19 minutes ago, LilyLark said: While some people (mostly far right, but some on the far left) people go way too far describing him as a pedo or creepy around kids (seriously, the one photo of him with the kid is taken out of context/a flash second)...he is VERY touchy around women and men. There is no way it will fly in 2019. Journalists have investigated him in the past (some admitted it on twitter) and said that no one described his actions as sexual harassment, but still borderline inappropriate and overly familiar. There's a fine line, and people say he walked that line all the time. Very this thank you for helping me with my explanation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilyLark 10,213 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Just now, OG Gaga Stan said: You said that we have to vote for a centrist like Biden because he'd (supposedly) be able to pick up independents, regardless of whether he's been accused of harassing women or not. There is no record of politicians being repeatedly falsely accused of sexual harassment and when that sort thing does happen, it's easily debunked. We absolutely don't have to vote for someone who has a long history of acting inappropriately around women to beat Trump. We have a dozens better choices. I was going to say the thing with Joe is that he's never actually been accused of sexual harassment, even the woman describes him as "awkward" and "uncomfortable." But it still won't fly in 2019. Too much baggage. There's a weird gray area, and Joe falls into that area imo. Honestly, Pete is like Joe but without all the baggage and leans more left (even though I wouldn't call him a leftist). Amy's a terrible boss, if one wants a centrist, but doesn't have quasi-MeToo baggage and is clean everywhere else. Kamala has her prosecution record, but is still a very strong candidate. Cory and the Pharma industry, but he's insanely good on criminal justice issues. Liz Warren is great at her ideas of breaking up banks/tech companies. I don't hate Joe and I don't hate Bernie. I think both of them have done some good in the world, and despite all of Joe's baggage I will always give him credit for working hard to advance gay marriage. But I feel like we have several candidates, ranging from centrists to leftists, who can possibly win, don't have as much baggage, and aren't ancient. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,896 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, OG Gaga Stan said: Right, but in that apology he said "I wish I could have done something" as if he wasn't the chair of the committee. He can't even apologize without a gaff. So true but it is what it is. I’m not crazy about voting for Biden but him and Bernie are consistently #1 in polls so... I’d be surprised if he didn’t run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serial Chiller 8,044 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 The double standards are laughable with some of you. When I saw Biden getting too comfortable around people especially women I was completely weirded out yet for some reason he has never been strongly called out for it. Like, joking today can be considered harrassment and then there’s him, being filmed in public touching and carressing people from behind... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,909 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 28 minutes ago, OG Gaga Stan said: So we should just ignore it, right? Nope, but it's an issue for the primary. I won't be voting for him unless he gets the nomination, but he hasn't even run yet haha This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,909 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 You should add this to the OP @OG Gaga Stan This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othon 34,299 Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 1 minute ago, FATCAT said: You should add this to the OP @OG Gaga Stan I'm a little disturbed at the extent you're going to try to deflect and dismiss these accusations. You better get ready for more, because they're almost certainly coming if he announces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeka 12,372 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Ugh. 2020 is gonna be a mess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,909 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, OG Gaga Stan said: I'm a little disturbed at the extent you're going to try to deflect and dismiss these accusations. You better get ready for more, because they're almost certainly coming if he announces. I am not deflecting, I genuinely thought that it would be important to the discussion. He obviously has been working to help victims. But maybe that doesn't fit help your case This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkTheFunk 125,733 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Cancelled Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
weed 79,275 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 I'm voting democrat regardless of who the nomination is but the videos of him do make me uncomfortable...... like why girl. Even if he's just a really touchy person, control yourself. esp if you're literally the vice president w public appearances everywhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
weed 79,275 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 also this is maybe dumb and it's irrelevant, but do sitting presidents ever get replaced by a different man of the same party? Like is trump guaranteed the Repub nomination or could the final election be Someone vs. Someone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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