Fox News guest: AOC does the 'Latina thing'

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28 minutes ago, TheQueenLG said:

To me, being free includes the ability to achieve success greater than the status quo. Socialism intrinsically prevents this. I believe our capitalistic system must be regulated to a degree in which someone working minimum wage can afford their (bare minimum) living expenses (rent, utilities, food, healthcare, etc.).

Keeping our system at least partially capitalistic affords aspirational people the opportunity to achieve success greater than the status quo. I'm on your side, I think. 

Yeah but when ppl refer to the term socialism they are generally refering to government getting bigger, more spending, more taxes etc. Basically more left wing politics

 

Most ppl when they talk about socialism they don't mean the technical terms true meaning where there's no capitalism. Few ppl actually support that extreme

 

I think lately ppl spend too much time arguing about the technical definition of socialism vs democratic socialist or whatever Instead if arguing the actual policies themselves

 

What ppl call it isn't the main thing. Usually you know what people mean when they say socialism

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26 minutes ago, Economy said:

Yeah but when ppl refer to the term socialism they are generally refering to government getting bigger, more spending, more taxes etc. Basically more left wing politics

 

Most ppl when they talk about socialism they don't mean the technical terms true meaning where there's no capitalism. Few ppl actually support that extreme

 

I think lately ppl spend too much time arguing about the technical definition of socialism vs democratic socialist or whatever Instead if arguing the actual policies themselves

 

What ppl call it isn't the main thing. Usually you know what people mean when they say socialism

Yeah, I understand what you're saying. But I'm a pragmatic person... If someone says the word socialism, I'm assuming they mean socialism. 

I'm not going to connect the dots to compensate for their ignorance. If you mean more extensive social programs, don't say socialism. 

If you want a socialist society, say socialism. 

If I just assume what they mean, I feel like I'm fueling their fire of stupidity. 

There is a difference between socialism, democratic socialism, social programs, social democrats, and capitalism. If you don't know that difference, then your opinion on the matter is invalidated. People need to become educated before just spewing out the garbage propaganda that comes from their party. 

If someone says socialism in reference to social programs, you best believe that I will correct their a*s... Politely, of course. 

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27 minutes ago, TheQueenLG said:

Yeah, I understand what you're saying. But I'm a pragmatic person... If someone says the word socialism, I'm assuming they mean socialism. 

I'm not going to connect the dots to compensate for their ignorance. If you mean more extensive social programs, don't say socialism. 

If you want a socialist society, say socialism. 

If I just assume what they mean, I feel like I'm fueling their fire of stupidity. 

There is a difference between socialism, democratic socialism, social programs, social democrats, and capitalism. If you don't know that difference, then your opinion on the matter is invalidated. People need to become educated before just spewing out the garbage propaganda that comes from their party. 

If someone says socialism in reference to social programs, you best believe that I will correct their a*s... Politely, of course. 

I mean... It's not wrong to correct ppl

 

I'm just saying a lot of time is wasted debating the technical definition of what's what instead of the main point so why it is so important?

 

U end up taking away from the point of the actual discussion

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2 hours ago, Economy said:

 

All the things she wants to do like Free Health Care, Cancelling student debt, the massive green investments and all the other ideas she has would cost an absolute fortune

 

The US could slash it's military spending in half and still not come even close to coming up with the money for this stuff

 

Sure there's a bit of room to raise top income taxes a few more percentage points or capital gains taxes a few more percentage points without major economic damage but even if you could raise taxes on wealthy another $100 To $200 Billion a year it would not pay for all of this

 

I think she lives in Lala land and doesn't know how to be realistic

 

The fact that you live in Canada, not Lala land, where you enjoy free healthcare is just 

Even conservative studies have shown that Medicare for all would cost 2 trillion LESS than the current US system 

Student loan debt could have been cancelled with with money that was wasted on the Trump tax cuts 

The green new deal is based on the idea of infrastructure investment. There is ALWAYS a return on investment when it comes to infrastructure because it boosts economies 

It is not ignorant to fight for these things when the facts prove they can indeed be done.  

There is rampant overestimation of how much things like this would cost and underestimation of the United States’ (which contains 40% of the worlds wealth) ability to pay for it. 

It’s just a matter of priorities and conflicts of interest in government due to campaign financing laws. 

[uo111 5,282]

2 hours ago, Economy said:

 

All the things she wants to do like Free Health Care, Cancelling student debt, the massive green investments and all the other ideas she has would cost an absolute fortune

 

The US could slash it's military spending in half and still not come even close to coming up with the money for this stuff

 

Sure there's a bit of room to raise top income taxes a few more percentage points or capital gains taxes a few more percentage points without major economic damage but even if you could raise taxes on wealthy another $100 To $200 Billion a year it would not pay for all of this

 

I think she lives in Lala land and doesn't know how to be realistic

Why do we always talk about how much these things cost and completely ignore how much they would save?

I really don’t get that.

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2 minutes ago, uo111 said:

Why do we always talk about how much these things cost and completely ignore how much they would save?

I really don’t get that.

Because someone has to pay for them. 

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2 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Because someone has to pay for them. 

You mean like how the regular citizen is already spending more on the current healthcare system than they would be for single-payer? Or how the taxpayers are paying for Trump's multiple golf vacations? Or how they're already paying for the gross sum of money flooding our military? People should pay focus on the whole big picture. Not just "ohh it's gonna cost so much" 

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24 minutes ago, Postboy said:

 

The fact that you live in Canada, not Lala land, where you enjoy free healthcare is just 

Even conservative studies have shown that Medicare for all would cost 2 trillion LESS than the current US system 

Student loan debt could have been cancelled with with money that was wasted on the Trump tax cuts 

The green new deal is based on the idea of infrastructure investment. There is ALWAYS a return on investment when it comes to infrastructure because it boosts economies 

It is not ignorant to fight for these things when the facts prove they can indeed be done.  

There is rampant overestimation of how much things like this would cost and underestimation of the United States’ (which contains 40% of the worlds wealth) ability to pay for it. 

It’s just a matter of priorities and conflicts of interest in government due to campaign financing laws. 

Circumstances are different in Canada. We do not spend such a fortune on military, our Federal debt is 31% of GDP vs 77% for the US. Counting All Government debt including Provinces and States Canada's public debt is still less than 80% of GDP vs almost 110% for the US... The US as a result spends more on interest payments than Canada

 

Those 2 factors already leave less money for the US to spend. In addition, US Doctors make more money than in Canada. If you want a comfortable cost structure payed by the Government youd have to convince your doctors to get used to being paid less

 

Also Canada's healthcare is not as free as some Americans think. We do not have full coverage like some European Nations do, they have higher taxes for truly free healthcare. Depending on the Province healthcare is only 70% to 80% Government funded.

 

Many segments of healthcare are not Universal in Canada they are privatized and you either need insurance or pay out if your own pocket. This includes dental, vision care, Pharmaceuticals, Chiropractors, medical equipment such as a cast, or even some types of minor surgeries (my mom's cyst on her arm that was bothering her was not life threatning and thus considered cosmetic and she had to pay like $500 for that minor surgery)

 

As for Corporate taxes, I think Trump did lower them more than necessary but they were too high before and uncompetitive

 

To give u perspective, USA effective Corporate tax rate right now after Trumps tax cuts averages 26% whereas in Canada it averages 27%. It's almost the same. US rates are not that insanely low

 

Also not all infrastructure is an investment (I'm not saying Cortez isn't, I don't know her plans well enough). But if you build a road that's not really needed for example it's just a long term upkeep cost with little economic gain. So infrastructure still has to be thought out, you can't just build for the sake of building or else your just wasting money...

 

And even good infrastructure spending that has lasting economic benefits still has an innitial cost and long term upkeep cost so whether it brings economic gains or not is besides the point. You still need to be able to afford it

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28 minutes ago, ALGAYDO said:

You mean like how the regular citizen is already spending more on the current healthcare system than they would be for single-payer? Or how the taxpayers are paying for Trump's multiple golf vacations? Or how they're already paying for the gross sum of money flooding our military? People should pay focus on the whole big picture. Not just "ohh it's gonna cost so much" 

I agree with military being too high that's wasted money

 

Also a single tax payer system could be cheaper as you get rid of the profit margins on Insurance companies and then also on the hospital bills

 

But ppl also need to be ok with paying a bit more taxes (which replaces the insurance costs)...

 

There's some ppl that always wanna put the bill one someone else "let's just tax the wealthy". There's a limit to how much that can be done until business investment and entrepreneurship takes a hit

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1 hour ago, ALGAYDO said:

You mean like how the regular citizen is already spending more on the current healthcare system than they would be for single-payer? Or how the taxpayers are paying for Trump's multiple golf vacations? Or how they're already paying for the gross sum of money flooding our military? People should pay focus on the whole big picture. Not just "ohh it's gonna cost so much" 

You really aren’t. Your taxes are not at forty to fifty per cent of your income. Most full time employeed adults have insurance through their employers. Their employers are absorbing the extra insurance cost. 

The government runs the VA...and it’s a sh*tshow. That’s your issue right their. Getting half the adults of voting age to trust a government to give them healthcare like they already have through private insurance. They don’t want to pay ten to twenty per cent more for “free” insurance at the VA, when they have private doctors and hospitals that they can get in to see today. 

Taxpayers are going to pay for that lazy ass to play golf on weekends as long as he is President. That has nothing to do with healthcare. 

Military spending isn’t going to be cut dramatically, no matter who is in office. We could cut quite a bit out by getting out of wars that really have nothing to do with us...but, that’s a whole different subject. That would just mean that we stop driving up the National debt to obscene levels. It wouldn’t magically make everything free in the US. 

 

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50 minutes ago, Economy said:

Circumstances are different in Canada. We do not spend such a fortune on military, our Federal debt is 31% of GDP vs 77% for the US. Counting All Government debt including Provinces and States Canada's public debt is still less than 80% of GDP vs almost 110% for the US... The US as a result spends more on interest payments than Canada

 

Those 2 factors already leave less money for the US to spend. In addition, US Doctors make more money than in Canada. If you want a comfortable cost structure payed by the Government youd have to convince your doctors to get used to being paid less

 

Because they don’t have to. Canada has an ally country on its border that would spring into action immediately with full force if Russia ever invaded its land and tried to take over parts of the country. If Canada didn’t have that, the country would have to be building up their milatary at a substantial rate. 

Unfortunately, medical school is so unbelievably expensive, it takes a higher salary to convince people to go through eight to ten more years of schooling and hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt. When you start your profession at age 32 to 35, work sixty hours a week, and owe two to three hundred thousand dollars in debt- you deserve better pay. 

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4 hours ago, SEANGT said:

white people really think like this it's wild 

*Some white people 

[JustAnother 5,113]

4 hours ago, Morphine Prince said:

You mean she pronounces her name how it's supposed to be pronounced and doesn't whitewash it for monolingual morons? 

And to clarify, YES, Spanish is a European language YET most whites in the US don't speak it and associate it with non-whites, mostly Latinos. Again showcasing the xenophobia associated with Spanish from many Americans is partly due to racism and their perception of those who they see speaking Spanish. 

Anglicize is the word you’re looking for, also “Latinos” can be white. Latino doesn’t equal non-white and it’s not race-related (infact most Latinos in the US identify as racially white). I get your point though, but if I can help people better with their terminology it’ll help create less bickering in an actual political argument. 

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17 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Because they don’t have to. Canada has an ally country on its border that would spring into action immediately with full force if Russia ever invaded its land and tried to take over parts of the country. If Canada didn’t have that, the country would have to be building up their milatary at a substantial rate. 

Unfortunately, medical school is so unbelievably expensive, it takes a higher salary to convince people to go through eight to ten more years of schooling and hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt. When you start your profession at age 32 to 35, work sixty hours a week, and owe two to three hundred thousand dollars in debt- you deserve better pay. 

First of all Canada is still the 12th or 13th largest military spender in the world the military is not that tiny. 

 

But this is kind of besides the point completely

 

I was talking about how much the US spends on military and the impact it has on its available finances...

 

The reasons for the gap is kind of besides the point

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5 minutes ago, JustAnother said:

Anglicize is the word you’re looking for, also “Latinos” can be white. Latino doesn’t equal non-white and it’s not race-related (infact most Latinos in the US identify as racially white). I get your point though, but if I can help people better with their terminology it’ll help create less bickering in an actual political argument. 

I am Latino myself, I know these things. 

I meant white non-Latino Americans associate Spanish with brown Latinos. 

I will add anglicize to my dictionary though cause it does convey what I meant better