Guest Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 19 hours ago, Whispering said: Then they have problems, sorry. If your adult friends are having random second graders over for sleepovers and calling them every da6 on the phone, they have some serious issues. Michael had issues and pretended or thought (who knew, maybe we wouldve known if he went to a psychiatrist) he was a 10 year old. So of course when u see it with an adult point of view with a healthy mind, and it's weird and sick, but for him it was normal because he lived in a fantasyland, u can just see what he did with Neverland, his voice, his behavior, this man wanted to be a kid forever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Andy McQueen said: Watch the documentary as I did and then claim again he is "innocent". You really think all the descriptions, all the emotions are just faked and lies and their whole families "act" as well? Besides all the other proofs: https://www.mjfacts.com/ Even if he "just" manipulated them mentally (which the audio recordings proof and the rings he bought to "marry" James with his vows etc., all the faxes with the "I love you"s are his hand writing etc.) that is already messed and f*cked up enough. u should read facts about the trials 2003 and 2005, this is where u'll find that all the accusers were found to be scammers in the past, (parents). One kid when he grew up decided to stop talking to his parents bcs of what he done to him : telling him to lie for money. check wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Michael_Jackson Police raided MJ's home multiple times for evidence, nothing found. U can't base ur judgement on a documentary with a bunch of 'he said she said', look at the facts and then make a judgement. R Kelly's docu was different bcs there were tangible evidence, the video, the daughters being stuck in his house with footage, with parents actually going there to try and save them etc Same with pedos like the actor from Glee, police found material in his computer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 13 minutes ago, kyanewest said: Police raided MJ's home multiple times for evidence, nothing found. This is a partial list of what was found: Page 4. Evidence Item #508. Book with images of ‘nude teenagers and/or young adults’ Located in upstairs library area of video/game room. The book was titled, The Fourth Sex: Adolescent Extreme, with no listed author. The investigator noted that this book focuses on ‘adolescents and counter culture,’ contained lots of images of semi-clothed or naked ‘teenagers and/or young adults’ and actually isn’t illegal under US law. But, it represents a tool that could be used to ‘lower the inhibitions of intended victims’ and ‘facilitate the molestation of said individuals’. Evidence Item #509. Book with pictures of nude children. The hard cover book is titled Cronos, by author Pere Formigeura, contains images of nude children of both sexes, as well as adults. Same location as item #508. Evidence Item #302. ****ographic magazine. The Best of Club, Issue no. 201. Also suspected by the inspecting officer to be ‘grooming’ materials. Page 3. Evidence Item #505. Books with pictures of nude children. Three books, containing ‘photographs of nude and partially clothed children’. The investigator noted that the books contained images of partially clothed or naked children, as well as images of nude adults with children’s faces morphed on top. This technique may be used to sexualize and lower the inhibitions of a victim, according to the report. Page 9. Other items described in court filings (contained within the same document stack): Book: ‘Boys Will be Boys,’ contains full frontal nudity of boys under the age of 14; personally inscribed by Michael Jackson. Book: ‘In Search of Young Beauty,’ containing pictures of children, boys and girls, some nude. Book: ‘The Boy, a Photographic Essay,’ containing images of boys, some nude. Photograph: Noted in the document as ‘believed to be Jonathan Spence; fully nude.’ Photograph: young boy holding an umbrella, with bikini bottoms partially pulled down. Evidence Item #363: 12 ****ographic magazines; Evidence Item #364: ‘The Chop Suey Club’ Photo book, young adult male models, some nude. Evidence Item #365: ****ographic books, including images of naked children. ‘The Christy Report’, nude images from the 1940s, some described as sadomasochistic. ‘Robert Maxwell Photographs,’ various images, including those of children. Evidence Item #366: Several books, containing images of nude men and children. Photos of teenage males nude, images of adults with childrens’ faces morphed on top, some nude photos of children. Another book, Man: A Sexual Study of Man, described as a ‘graphic primer for homosexuals,’ including pictures of masturbation, oral and **** sex, homosexual erotica. https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016/06/21/items-discovered-police-michael-jackson/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy McQueen 4,484 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 22 minutes ago, kyanewest said: u should read facts about the trials 2003 and 2005, this is where u'll find that all the accusers were found to be scammers in the past, (parents). One kid when he grew up decided to stop talking to his parents bcs of what he done to him : telling him to lie for money. check wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Michael_Jackson Police raided MJ's home multiple times for evidence, nothing found. U can't base ur judgement on a documentary with a bunch of 'he said she said', look at the facts and then make a judgement. R Kelly's docu was different bcs there were tangible evidence, the video, the daughters being stuck in his house with footage, with parents actually going there to try and save them etc Same with pedos like the actor from Glee, police found material in his computer. You do realize the police also found highly questionable material at Jackson's mansion? https://www.mjfacts.com/items-found-in-1993-pedophile-books-and-naked-photos/ https://www.mjfacts.com/was-child-****ography-found-in-michael-jacksons-home/ Michael Jackson suffered from the skin discolouration disease vitiligo. Jordie Chandler drew a picture of the markings on the underside of Jackson’s penis. His drawings were sealed in an envelope. A few months later, investigators photographed Jackson’s genitalia. The photographs matched Chandler’s drawings. Most of you haven't heard about Jordie's 1998 book "Michael Jackson Was My Lover: The Secret Diary Of Jordie Chandler" The story was it, butwas yanked off the shelves and Jordie fled to Brazil to get away from MJ operatives that threatened him and his father. I could never find a new copy from any booksellers but there was a used copy on eBay. Other than the acts between the two of them, Jordie describes the parade of boys in and out of Neverland. Parents were not allowed in. A Vanity Fair (or Esquire?) article from around then mentions the swarms of parents at the gates, waiting to pick up their young sons, hoping for a glimpse of MJ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy McQueen 4,484 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/10/11/17933686/me-too-separating-artist-art-johnny-depp-woody-allen-louis-ck?fbclid=IwAR01OEuM8RQSg64dLyTqqjaUTb99Z-ru1zdBJQICu_XWbDze9-h3jmSlVFU Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monster4life231 4,304 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 39 minutes ago, Andy McQueen said: Most of you haven't heard about Jordie's 1998 book "Michael Jackson Was My Lover: The Secret Diary Of Jordie Chandler" That's literally a load of rubbish. Jordan Chandler never kept a diary, confirmed by his uncle. Watch this: 41 minutes ago, Andy McQueen said: Parents were not allowed in. Parents were alllowed in. Many parents stayed at Neverland with him. 42 minutes ago, Andy McQueen said: Michael Jackson suffered from the skin discolouration disease vitiligo. Jordie Chandler drew a picture of the markings on the underside of Jackson’s penis. His drawings were sealed in an envelope. A few months later, investigators photographed Jackson’s genitalia. The photographs matched Chandler’s drawings. Not true. "According to private investigator Anthony Pellicano, who questioned Jordan in July 1993 after hearing Evan's taped phone call, Jordan denied that he ever saw Jackson's body but said he did lift his shirt once to show him the blotches on his skin.[6] Investigators made a probe into Jackson's history, including family interviews, to see if he had undergone procedures to alter his body's appearance, as the grand jury felt there was no clear match with Jordan's description.[61]" spread peace - #MJInnocent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monster4life231 4,304 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Whispering said: This is a partial list of what was found: Page 4. Evidence Item #508. Book with images of ‘nude teenagers and/or young adults’ Located in upstairs library area of video/game room. The book was titled, The Fourth Sex: Adolescent Extreme, with no listed author. The investigator noted that this book focuses on ‘adolescents and counter culture,’ contained lots of images of semi-clothed or naked ‘teenagers and/or young adults’ and actually isn’t illegal under US law. But, it represents a tool that could be used to ‘lower the inhibitions of intended victims’ and ‘facilitate the molestation of said individuals’. Evidence Item #509. Book with pictures of nude children. The hard cover book is titled Cronos, by author Pere Formigeura, contains images of nude children of both sexes, as well as adults. Same location as item #508. Evidence Item #302. ****ographic magazine. The Best of Club, Issue no. 201. Also suspected by the inspecting officer to be ‘grooming’ materials. Page 3. Evidence Item #505. Books with pictures of nude children. Three books, containing ‘photographs of nude and partially clothed children’. The investigator noted that the books contained images of partially clothed or naked children, as well as images of nude adults with children’s faces morphed on top. This technique may be used to sexualize and lower the inhibitions of a victim, according to the report. Page 9. Other items described in court filings (contained within the same document stack): Book: ‘Boys Will be Boys,’ contains full frontal nudity of boys under the age of 14; personally inscribed by Michael Jackson. Book: ‘In Search of Young Beauty,’ containing pictures of children, boys and girls, some nude. Book: ‘The Boy, a Photographic Essay,’ containing images of boys, some nude. Photograph: Noted in the document as ‘believed to be Jonathan Spence; fully nude.’ Photograph: young boy holding an umbrella, with bikini bottoms partially pulled down. Evidence Item #363: 12 ****ographic magazines; Evidence Item #364: ‘The Chop Suey Club’ Photo book, young adult male models, some nude. Evidence Item #365: ****ographic books, including images of naked children. ‘The Christy Report’, nude images from the 1940s, some described as sadomasochistic. ‘Robert Maxwell Photographs,’ various images, including those of children. Evidence Item #366: Several books, containing images of nude men and children. Photos of teenage males nude, images of adults with childrens’ faces morphed on top, some nude photos of children. Another book, Man: A Sexual Study of Man, described as a ‘graphic primer for homosexuals,’ including pictures of masturbation, oral and **** sex, homosexual erotica. https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016/06/21/items-discovered-police-michael-jackson/ https://guce.oath.com/collectConsent?brandType=nonEu&.done=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%2Fentry%2Fno-child-****-found-at-neverland-thenor-now-the_us_577fdfbce4b0f06648f4a3f8%3Fguccounter%3D1%26guce_referrer_us%3DaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw%26guce_referrer_cs%3Dp5pic0ZQDnQDcwYb2A5b0g&sessionId=3_cc-session_bda404a8-4829-4aee-9ae0-5e6a59a014b6&lang=en-US&inline=false spread peace - #MJInnocent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMonster 14,671 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 At the end of it all, every single piece of 'evidence' (as presented above) can be discredited. You can present certain images, books and paraphernalia in a particular light... but it's important to remember that Michael Jackson was not just 'anyone' - he was a very unique, ultra-talented and incredibly eccentric prodigy. He was a man who had a life-long fascination with art, with music, with film, with sculptures. And, indeed, he did own some very 'odd' (to us) material. But this material was art. And art, as we know from Gaga, can be 'weird'. To label someone a molester because they have in their possession artistic representations of children, is not at all fair. Art can be challenging, and art can be strange. In fact, the best art is. subtext / fantasy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy McQueen 4,484 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, OMonster said: At the end of it all, every single piece of 'evidence' (as presented above) can be discredited. You can present certain images, books and paraphernalia in a particular light... but it's important to remember that Michael Jackson was not just 'anyone' - he was a very unique, ultra-talented and incredibly eccentric prodigy. He was a man who had a life-long fascination with art, with music, with film, with sculptures. And, indeed, he did own some very 'odd' (to us) material. But this material was art. And art, as we know from Gaga, can be 'weird'. To label someone a molester because they have in their possession artistic representations of children, is not at all fair. Art can be challenging, and art can be strange. In fact, the best art is. Yeah. And sleeping with children in the same bed for months and writing love letters to them, giving them "marriage" rings and vows for ceremonies and other "eccentricities", while their parents stay at home. Totally art. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy McQueen 4,484 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 https://www.mjfacts.com/ The evidence is there since the 90's, but MJ fans at this point would defend him even if there were more obvious proofs, while not having watched a single second of "Leaving Neverland" at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMonster 14,671 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 32 minutes ago, Andy McQueen said: Yeah. And sleeping with children in the same bed for months and writing love letters to them, giving them "marriage" rings and vows for ceremonies and other "eccentricities", while their parents stay at home. Totally art. There's zero evidence of this. Sleeping with children = could be totally innocent. Love letters = context... pretty sure it's exposing of the media's perversion to interpret innocent letters as anything more. Marriage = there is no evidence of this. subtext / fantasy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickens in Malibu 7,873 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Whispering said: This is a partial list of what was found: Page 4. Evidence Item #508. Book with images of ‘nude teenagers and/or young adults’ Located in upstairs library area of video/game room. The book was titled, The Fourth Sex: Adolescent Extreme, with no listed author. The investigator noted that this book focuses on ‘adolescents and counter culture,’ contained lots of images of semi-clothed or naked ‘teenagers and/or young adults’ and actually isn’t illegal under US law. But, it represents a tool that could be used to ‘lower the inhibitions of intended victims’ and ‘facilitate the molestation of said individuals’. Evidence Item #509. Book with pictures of nude children. The hard cover book is titled Cronos, by author Pere Formigeura, contains images of nude children of both sexes, as well as adults. Same location as item #508. Evidence Item #302. ****ographic magazine. The Best of Club, Issue no. 201. Also suspected by the inspecting officer to be ‘grooming’ materials. Page 3. Evidence Item #505. Books with pictures of nude children. Three books, containing ‘photographs of nude and partially clothed children’. The investigator noted that the books contained images of partially clothed or naked children, as well as images of nude adults with children’s faces morphed on top. This technique may be used to sexualize and lower the inhibitions of a victim, according to the report. Page 9. Other items described in court filings (contained within the same document stack): Book: ‘Boys Will be Boys,’ contains full frontal nudity of boys under the age of 14; personally inscribed by Michael Jackson. Book: ‘In Search of Young Beauty,’ containing pictures of children, boys and girls, some nude. Book: ‘The Boy, a Photographic Essay,’ containing images of boys, some nude. Photograph: Noted in the document as ‘believed to be Jonathan Spence; fully nude.’ Photograph: young boy holding an umbrella, with bikini bottoms partially pulled down. Evidence Item #363: 12 ****ographic magazines; Evidence Item #364: ‘The Chop Suey Club’ Photo book, young adult male models, some nude. Evidence Item #365: ****ographic books, including images of naked children. ‘The Christy Report’, nude images from the 1940s, some described as sadomasochistic. ‘Robert Maxwell Photographs,’ various images, including those of children. Evidence Item #366: Several books, containing images of nude men and children. Photos of teenage males nude, images of adults with childrens’ faces morphed on top, some nude photos of children. Another book, Man: A Sexual Study of Man, described as a ‘graphic primer for homosexuals,’ including pictures of masturbation, oral and **** sex, homosexual erotica. https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016/06/21/items-discovered-police-michael-jackson/ To give you a little bit of perspective, this is one of the images that was "presumably shocking and had nudity": Give me a break. Even the court shut down this claim. Don't fall for the media witch hunt, research counter arguments to everything you read, read both sides and make up your mind. Don't blindly trust one side only, and that's what you're currently doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 9 hours ago, monster4life231 said: https://guce.oath.com/collectConsent?brandType=nonEu&.done=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%2Fentry%2Fno-child-****-found-at-neverland-thenor-now-the_us_577fdfbce4b0f06648f4a3f8%3Fguccounter%3D1%26guce_referrer_us%3DaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw%26guce_referrer_cs%3Dp5pic0ZQDnQDcwYb2A5b0g&sessionId=3_cc-session_bda404a8-4829-4aee-9ae0-5e6a59a014b6&lang=en-US&inline=false Link won’t work. Many people are under the impression that The Huffington Post is some form of newspaper or news publication. In fact, The Huffington Post is a news aggregation and blog system. The content published on The Huffington Post includes articles by bloggers, celebrities and simply those with an opinion to share. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 7 hours ago, nicolasrumet said: To give you a little bit of perspective, this is one of the images that was "presumably shocking and had nudity": Give me a break. Even the court shut down this claim. Don't fall for the media witch hunt, research counter arguments to everything you read, read both sides and make up your mind. Don't blindly trust one side only, and that's what you're currently doing. As an MJ fan, I’ve been following this story for decades. You have no idea what I have read or watched over the last twenty years, so don’t even pretend like you do. My opinion and feelings have changed over the years, as more information has come to light, and as I understand more about abuse and abuse victims. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katharine Hepburn 4,607 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 The Jackson apologists make me sick. No adult should have had the access to children he had xoxo Joanne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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