gabeoz 7,915 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Suspiria said: More "singers" trying to hide their lack of vocal skill/ability by mumbling their way through lifeless songs glamourizing suicide/mental illness in a forced indie/alternative voice? I have to disagree lol. Hide contents I respect her right to express herself as an artist, but mainstream pop music really does not need these sort of messages being promoted to vulnerable teenagers. You lost me at "singers". You say you respect her right to express herself as an artist but you put singer in quotations, implying you dont really have that respect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabeoz 7,915 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 244k views with 240k likes what's even going on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Suspiria 10,683 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 45 minutes ago, Borislshere said: Not saying we need more songs with this message but Billie's style is what I feel pop music needs. The song could've been tragic but the video itself is enough for me to keep watching. And vulnerable teenagers see things regarding suicide everyday. 13rw is one of Netflix's biggest shows. If Billie is feeling some kind of way in her life and wants to share that through her music, then that's fantastic. That's exactly what pop music needs. Honest artist. 13 minutes ago, SEXODUS said: I’ll have to agree to disagree here. She doesn’t lack in vocal ability, you’d know that if you heard some of her live stuff. She doesn’t have that much of a vocal range, if any if we have to be honest, but the fact you can’t reach the higher notes doesn’t mean you can’t sing. The “mumbling” effect is just her being conscious of her own voice and trying to use it in the smartest way possible. There are bigger singers out there that perfect their voices in the studio, trying so desperately to reach that high note so they can say they can sing, and then they’re unbearable when they try to sing that live. As for the suicide/mental illness topics, y’ll should just stop. It’s not glamour and it’s not threatening for the “vulnerable teenagers”. Talking about how much money you have, how many bitches you fck and giving a false and self-centered depiction of what a strong personality really is, is what’s threatening for the younger generations. I really don’t think that some 12-year-old is going to hear the “I wanna end me” line and will feel like suicide is an option or something that’s cool, or will even take is seriously and literally. That’s just ridiculous, in my opinion. She’s just weird and has a fantasy-like type of thought-process, however dark that might be at times. I don’t feel like it’s forced, but even if it was, she’s still making better songs than most of the pop girls out there. But yeah, I would want her to go pop either. Music not the bling. How can you say she has no range but is still a good singer? Sorry but whispering some lyrics in monotone does not make you a good vocalist. The only emotion she seems to express is a numb, dreary sense of ennui... if you enjoy her music then great, but I just don't think you can argue she is a skilled or talented vocalist. Regarding the suicide/mental illness glamourizing, I think it's very ignorant and naïve to believe that these constant messages in music tv shows isn't having an impact. Teenage suicides in the UK have increased by 67% since 2010, that is an insane amount! "Tumblr-sadgirl" culture (that's not a good way to put it but I can't think of how to call it) spreading through social media has undeniably spread these ideas that being depressed and having mental illnesses makes you deep and interesting. And this has naturally led to a rise in popularity of music/entertainment which glamourises these things, which further spreads these ideas to more and more people... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspiria 10,683 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 46 minutes ago, gabeoz said: You lost me at "singers". You say you respect her right to express herself as an artist but you put singer in quotations, implying you dont really have that respect. I said I respect her right to do it - but it doesn't mean I necessarily respect her You're right though I shouldn't have been disrespectful just because I don't like her music or message. She seems like a nice person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SEXODUS 5,927 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 57 minutes ago, Suspiria said: How can you say she has no range but is still a good singer? Sorry but whispering some lyrics in monotone does not make you a good vocalist. The only emotion she seems to express is a numb, dreary sense of ennui... if you enjoy her music then great, but I just don't think you can argue she is a skilled or talented vocalist. Regarding the suicide/mental illness glamourizing, I think it's very ignorant and naïve to believe that these constant messages in music tv shows isn't having an impact. Teenage suicides in the UK have increased by 67% since 2010, that is an insane amount! "Tumblr-sadgirl" culture (that's not a good way to put it but I can't think of how to call it) spreading through social media has undeniably spread these ideas that being depressed and having mental illnesses makes you deep and interesting. And this has naturally led to a rise in popularity of music/entertainment which glamourises these things, which further spreads these ideas to more and more people... Fact is, I don’t think you’re wrong... but you’re not also right. I never used the words “good singer”, ‘cause honestly you can hear it (when she goes on a high note live) that it’s an untrained voice. Keep in mind she’s only 16 and can get better with training, but that’s really not the point here. It’s not a voice you hear (live) and think that it’s a bad voice and you cringe at it. I could cringe at Katy Perry, at Rihanna, at Dua Lipa, but doesn’t happen to me with her. A lot of famous people in the industry don’t and didn’t have a “good voice” but still made awesome music: Clapton, Gilmour, Jim Hendrix come to mind. As I said, it’s a voice you can appreciate the moment you know what your limits are and adapt the music you write according to that knowledge. That makes her a good enough singer to me. Also Lana. Lana live kinda sucks, and her lyrical content is just as much a “tumblr-sad girl”, but probably worse ‘cause she usually means it. Billie doesn’t. Still, I find Lana to be brilliant in her own way and that’s what I like about her. I repeat that keeping a low vocal range doesn’t mean you’re “mumbling” and singing badly. It’s a choice, in this case a choice that fits the music she creates. It’s coherent. That’s a better achievement than endless screaming and belting for no reason. I do agree with the impact certain attitudes in the mainstream media have on the GP, but the again... it’s not a song like this, and certainly not Billie Eilish, that made that 67% suicide cases increase. It’s the whole system. It’s the constant throwing problems in people’s faces without giving them the tools to solve them that fcked people’s minds. It’s the thousands “I’m young and free and I don’t give a sh1t” content out there that makes people depressed, because it’s a fake message to send onto people that are tridimensional. It’s making people believe that happiness is a given and it’s effortless that makes people miserable. To a certain degree, pop music and movies and books with an happy ending (that usually gives the “in love, carefree, happy” vibe) can also be bad for mental health, since it sets a standard that a human mind can’t possibly achieve in real live and people are there staring at a ceiling wondering why they can’t reach that degree of happiness. Giving voice to dark thoughts doesn’t necessarily have a bad effect on people. It really can trigger resilient thoughts by eradicating bad feelings and the fear of speaking about how we feel at times. So yeah, I can’t agree with you. It seems to me like you have these general thoughts and you just applied it on this specific topic without going deeper on the meanings and implications of what this is really about. I hope you can listen to more of her music and think about this a bit more. It’s fine if you don’t, it’s not like I think we have a revolution here in terms of anything Billie has done so far, but it’s blind not to see how interesting of a musician she is compared to many others out there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItWasntLaauv 6,392 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 People are so negative, if Gaga did this, y’all would GAG!! No one is doing what Billie is doing rn in mainstream pop music, she should be commended. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordEnigma 11,313 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 If you don’t like her music, then just move on. Why try to make your opinion correct? Get outta here, we just want to enjoy the music. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Nook 37,820 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Y’all she went IN I stan! Uh Red Wine... Convict... Gah Gah... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brie Candy 18,642 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 My new addiction Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyzplzstaph 172 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 I'm just wondering if any of you stating she's not a great singer heard any of her life performances. She has a great voice, mostly controlled. Of course she's not perfect, but she's also 16. I don't understand this saying that she is just like all those others mediocre singer, all sounding the same. And you all stanning gaga... Because her music is SOOO different from anyone else. I think shes the only breeze of fresh air in young artists right now, and actually can do something. She writes with her brother, so she's fully immersed in her art. Yes it's edgy. Yes it's sometimes depressing. But I see you all forgot how it was to be a 16yo once... I'm definitely rooting for her and waiting for this album. Still madly in love with 'when the party's over'. This new one is okay, but not great. It's obvious she's getting into creepy dark aesthetic, which I love - reminds me of gaga in her prime times (yeah, come at me, she's lost in herself right now not knowing what to do). I hate this album cover tough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Bardot 3,990 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 I'm glad to see she will represent my generation in the future. pooiota Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms I am a local 2,254 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 I love the song and the music video is insanely well done. I'm a Billie Eilish fan now!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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