Christina Aguilera supports Lady Gaga and DWUW message

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8 hours ago, Didymus said:

Weird. How could she have known it was about sexual predators though lol, there's like nothing in the lyrics to suggest that.

Anyway, good milking of the situation, Xtina. Continue with your fake ass feminism, look-at-our-tits-but-don't-look-at-our-tits Fall in Line style

Edit: Read my next page explanation first before you @ me.

(No one in 2013 interpreted that song as being related to sexual predators. That song is 100% about the media and there is no subtext about sexual predators whatsoever. Gaga explained that lyric herself with reference to the cover art which was a statement against Kim K selling her body to the press.

Xtina's "you may have had my body" reinterpretation is bs, the whole point of that era was to give her body to the press (hence, the video), it wasn't a retrospect thing. Anyway, whatever. Smart of her to share in Gaga's moment but to me it's really tasteless.)

Gaga herself has said that this song, like many of her songs, has multiple meanings. The song is about the press and people above her thinking they own her body and her image to use as they please. The song is also about how she 'gives' her body to her fans because even when she's in pain she keeps going because in those moments she willingly belongs to her fans.

The song can also be about people who have taken your body without your permission, and how they won't own the rest of you. A lot of sexual abuse survivors feel like their body wasn't just taken by their abuser in the moment, but that it was taken for life, as they never feel the same after. So it can definitely be interpreted as "you have my body, but you can't have my heart, and you won't use my mind, you can't stop my voice because you don't own my life"

DWUW could have been Gaga's creative way of speaking about her abuse before she was ready to be fully open. Hidden under layers of meaning. In her statement she said that when she wrote the song she hadn't processed her trauma.

[AyaKara 2,281]

1 hour ago, Helxig said:

DWUW could have been Gaga's creative way of speaking about her abuse before she was ready to be fully open. Hidden under layers of meaning. In her statement she said that when she wrote the song she hadn't processed her trauma.

As was Monster (Oprah interview), Marry the Night (music video), Swine, and many other references she's made over the years.

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11 hours ago, Didymus said:

Weird. How could she have known it was about sexual predators though lol, there's like nothing in the lyrics to suggest that.

Anyway, good milking of the situation, Xtina. Continue with your fake ass feminism, look-at-our-tits-but-don't-look-at-our-tits Fall in Line style

Edit: Read my next page explanation first before you @ me.

(No one in 2013 interpreted that song as being related to sexual predators. That song is 100% about the media and there is no subtext about sexual predators whatsoever. Gaga explained that lyric herself with reference to the cover art which was a statement against Kim K selling her body to the press.

Xtina's "you may have had my body" reinterpretation is bs, the whole point of that era was to give her body to the press (hence, the video), it wasn't a retrospect thing. Anyway, whatever. Smart of her to share in Gaga's moment but to me it's really tasteless.)

No one? Incorrect. That has always been my interpretation of the song. Why do you have to take such a harsh stance?  

Trust me, I respect your passion for your opinion. As a longtime Gaga fan, I know how it feels. We constantly have to be on our toes, ready to defend Gaga constantly. I know you don’t mean to insult any of us. Understand that although your interpretation of the song may have remained constant since the single dropped prior to the ARTPOP release, your opinion doesn’t necessarily represent the rest of the fanbase.

There is room for all of us. 

In my opinion- XTINA is completely genuine, and simply showing support. Nothing at all to have a negative reaction too. 

 

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@Didymus I did not follow until the end of the discussion, but I’d like to add two things I’m sure Gaga said: 1. Each of her songs is about many different things. 2. Her songs are open to interpretation. I mean just because she has explicitly explained one aspect of the song meaning doesn’t mean that the song can only be about that one specific thing.

And since you criticized Xtina for her fake ass feminism, I would also like to point out that the criticism could well be directed at our idol also. Both have always been provocative while at the same time claiming to fight for women’s rights. So how about we just stop the drama, start the music?  And let the women celebrate each other? 

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11 hours ago, Didymus said:

Weird. How could she have known it was about sexual predators though lol, there's like nothing in the lyrics to suggest that.

Anyway, good milking of the situation, Xtina. Continue with your fake ass feminism, look-at-our-tits-but-don't-look-at-our-tits Fall in Line style

Edit: Read my next page explanation first before you @ me.

(No one in 2013 interpreted that song as being related to sexual predators. That song is 100% about the media and there is no subtext about sexual predators whatsoever. Gaga explained that lyric herself with reference to the cover art which was a statement against Kim K selling her body to the press.

Xtina's "you may have had my body" reinterpretation is bs, the whole point of that era was to give her body to the press (hence, the video), it wasn't a retrospect thing. Anyway, whatever. Smart of her to share in Gaga's moment but to me it's really tasteless.)

You're gross. Sorry. Really, really disrespectful towards Christina for no reason.

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2 hours ago, AyaKara said:

As was Monster (Oprah interview), Marry the Night (music video), Swine, and many other references she's made over the years.

Thank you. I feel like non-artists/creative people are so black and white and don't understand this stuff.

[Phlop 4,773]

To Xtina that’s what she interpreted it as, we can’t hold her against it.

And either way, she’s being nice and supporting Gaga so why the drama???

[Zombiecat 15,703]

I'm SO glad she said that, what Gaga said gives such a good perspective of how she now feels about it but any general person reading what she wrote wouldn't have got what the message of the song actually was  

 

[derpmonster 22,412]

I really like and appreciate Xtina. She has always spoken only kindly of Lady Gaga even when interviewers asked her dumb questions like "Do you think Gaga is copying you?" and Gaga spoke so well of Xtina and called her an inspiration when someone brought that up with Gaga.

The fanbases need to chill.

As far as activism goes, both Xtina and Gaga can learn a thing or two. Both can seem "fake" in some aspects to some people (with valid points). Let's not drag Xtina when Gaga isn't perfect either. Let's appreciate them for what they do well.

And as far as interpretation goes, art isn't static. It changes with time and with context. Gaga said, "My ARTPOP could mean anything," and that's especially relevant with a conceptual album like that. "I am not one painting. I'm every painting."

@Didymus I get your point but Xtina isn't saying it as a retrospect thing. That was just phrasing. The meaning is that even if you have my body, you can't control my life or my mind. The song was a response to Gaga seeing "Lady Gaga gains 30lbs" on the news. She thought, "I can't stop these people from using my body, my image, but I won't be affected by it. So I'll take ownership of it." They can do what they want with her body but won't affect her life or mind. It stands not just for the media but for anything. Like Gaga has said many times, her songs mean multiple things.

Here's another meaning now that you reference the video: it could even be about fibromyalgia. It can do what it wants with her body but it won't stop her mind. That's what the original second verse was. I would suggest you to try and be more open to alternative readings.

[Babel 41,308]

4 hours ago, Helxig said:

Gaga herself has said that this song, like many of her songs, has multiple meanings. The song is about the press and people above her thinking they own her body and her image to use as they please. The song is also about how she 'gives' her body to her fans because even when she's in pain she keeps going because in those moments she willingly belongs to her fans.

The song can also be about people who have taken your body without your permission, and how they won't own the rest of you. A lot of sexual abuse survivors feel like their body wasn't just taken by their abuser in the moment, but that it was taken for life, as they never feel the same after. So it can definitely be interpreted as "you have my body, but you can't have my heart, and you won't use my mind, you can't stop my voice because you don't own my life"

DWUW could have been Gaga's creative way of speaking about her abuse before she was ready to be fully open. Hidden under layers of meaning. In her statement she said that when she wrote the song she hadn't processed her trauma.

Thank you for explaining exactly what I was trying to say, but much better. 

Sometimes language is truly a barrier. 

[GunninMan 1,403]

14 hours ago, Didymus said:

Anyway, good milking of the situation, Xtina. Continue with your fake ass feminism, look-at-our-tits-but-don't-look-at-our-tits Fall in Line style

Okay woah woah woah. You have every right to your opinion of the song and your interpretation of it, but what we are not gonna do is make asinine and mysoginistic comments about how women display themselves. Women wearing revealing clothing or being confident in their bodies doesn’t not equate fake feminism. What a completely vile thing for you to say. I’m sorry your twisted perception of feminism is blocking you from knowing that a woman can literally be completely naked and NOBODY has a right to judge/touch/disrespect her. I also don’t know how that comment was even necessary to the situation? You completely sidetracked this entire thread by shoving your opinion on song lyrics down everyone’s throats who didn’t agree with you. Perhaps make a separate thread since you believe so passionately in what you think DWUW is about. 

[Didymus 34,379]

6 hours ago, Helxig said:

DWUW could have been Gaga's creative way of speaking about her abuse before she was ready to be fully open. Hidden under layers of meaning. In her statement she said that when she wrote the song she hadn't processed her trauma.

Once more, she had no problems talking about how her abuse was the inspiration for Swine so I don't see why she would lie to interviewers and say that DWUW was a sexually empowering song of all things

Like, sorry but even though a song can have different meanings, they shouldn't clash so violently against each other @derpmonster @AyaKara@GTFO

And none of you have addressed the issue that if the song is secretly about rape, this means Gaga tricked R. Kelly, deliberately, into portraying a rapist despite (and maybe because) of his own scandals, something R. Kelly would obviously never have agreed to had he known about that That would also mean that Gaga praising him every time (and calling him a media victim), including in 2014 still, would have all been for show which is also kinda problematic since she would've known she was praising someone she knew was an abuser without calling him out on his crimes. That just is no realistic possibility for me

The only possibility is that this was all unconscious projection into her lyrics but honestly, that's pure guesswork and I don't think it's right to use Gaga's traumas for our own fun and games like that.

[Didymus 34,379]

8 hours ago, lovedillon said:

Why is it always the same person making negative comments constantly trying to prove that their opinion is fact (though it’s an opinion) & more valid than everyone else’s? Like sweety, get a hobby or something. Sitting at your computer arguing all day trying to prove yourself right & have the last word ain’t good for that body.

Why so personal though?

I don't think I've tried to present my opinion as more valid in general, just that I think we should ground our opinions in actual fact and not in fantasies. That's why I'm bringing up Gaga's statements about the song, etc. To me it's just unrealistic that she would've secretly invited a rapist to work on a song that was secretly about rape and not problematize his actions in public. Why would she stress that R. Kelly was a victim of trashy media then? Why would she secretly use her friend, Terry, to be part of such a plan? It just doesn't add up and that's what I wanted to talk about here.

I do have hobbies though lol. I'm finishing a master's degree this year, I've gotten nothing but 90% on each test, paper and presentation so far and I'm actually losing weight because I've started to work out since a few weeks So I'm not worried, sis. Maybe you need to be worried that you have to spend your time passive aggressively mentioning how horrible people are without even have the balls to quote or @ them. Maybe you need to find a better way to spend your time

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26 minutes ago, Didymus said:

I do have hobbies though lol. I'm finishing a master's degree this year, I've gotten nothing but 90% on each test, paper and presentation so far and I'm actually losing weight because I've started to work out since a few weeks So I'm not worried, sis.

[StuckInMyMind 5,930]

15 hours ago, Didymus said:

Weird. How could she have known it was about sexual predators though lol, there's like nothing in the lyrics to suggest that.

Anyway, good milking of the situation, Xtina. Continue with your fake ass feminism, look-at-our-tits-but-don't-look-at-our-tits Fall in Line style

Edit: Read my next page explanation first before you @ me.

(No one in 2013 interpreted that song as being related to sexual predators. That song is 100% about the media and there is no subtext about sexual predators whatsoever. Gaga explained that lyric herself with reference to the cover art which was a statement against Kim K selling her body to the press.

Xtina's "you may have had my body" reinterpretation is bs, the whole point of that era was to give her body to the press (hence, the video), it wasn't a retrospect thing. Anyway, whatever. Smart of her to share in Gaga's moment but to me it's really tasteless.)

You don’t know if Gaga and Xtina spoke about it privately though!?