Game Of Thrones S8 | Finale

[Lion Heart 15,041]

Where did that Horse come from anyway? How is it just standing there while everything explodes. 

Was this to subvert my expectations?  

[Morphine Prince 105,627]

 

[Morphine Prince 105,627]

I just can’t with people acting like Dany going mad was never foreshadowed. Have we been watching the same show? 

I love Dany but the absolute delusion, I can’t. 

Anyway, Dracarys, everyone. 

[Jadeykins 1,418]

5 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

The point is her character development shouldn’t be a surprise even if it wasn’t handled correctly.

 

it's not a surprise it was obvious.........but the execution was just **** 

 

[BOMSHELL 2,708]

9 minutes ago, Lion Heart said:

Nope.

S1: She kills her because she killed her husband. 

S2: She was trapped in the House of the Undying, to be locked there forever. Not only that, but Pyat Pree killed the leaders of Qarth and she was betrayed by Xaro Xan Daxos or whatever. Not sure why this is even here. 

S3: She didn't "burn" Astapor. And she ordered the Unsullied to kill the slavers, free the slaves, and harm no children. What revisionist nonsense. 

I didn't bother with the rest. 

Everyone should be a mad queen since everyone has blood on their hands by the logic of those who defend this **** writing

[BOMSHELL 2,708]

I’m not even going to watch the last episode. This show is damaged beyond repair to me.

[RAMROD 109,223]

Dany fans certainly not liking the episode. Yes she burned down the city but it was still not satifying plot. 

Like honestly,

 

[BOMSHELL 2,708]

1 minute ago, RAMROD said:

Dany fans certainly not liking the episode. Yes she burned down the city but it was still not satifying plot. 

Like honestly,

 

If Daenerys turned out to be Pennywise it would be a better plot

[BOMSHELL 2,708]

Basic ass starks winning in the end?

much bittersweet. Such wow. v cool writing

[Othon 33,405]

A mess.

The real lesson we've all learned from this: No kings! No queens! Power corrupts! The masses always get the short end of the stick (or incinerated, in this case).

[giskardsb 12,565]

8 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

I just can’t with people acting like Dany going mad was never foreshadowed. Have we been watching the same show? 

I love Dany but the absolute delusion, I can’t. 

Anyway, Dracarys, everyone. 

and actually Dany going mad is a very GRRM thing to do and probably in his original plot points.  Dany having a boring one note "I'm the good Targaryen" arc through 8 seasons would have been against character for his writing.

However, I have a feeling GRRM will handle it much smoother if he ever gets around to finishing.

[Othon 33,405]

Honestly, though, if this disaster sets up an ending where no one ends up on the iron throne... I wouldn't be satisfied, but it would mitigate the disappointment, for sure.

[Lion Heart 15,041]

 

[RAMROD 109,223]

9 minutes ago, giskardsb said:

and actually Dany going mad is a very GRRM thing to do and probably in his original plot points.  Dany having a boring one note "I'm the good Targaryen" arc through 8 seasons would have been against character for his writing.

However, I have a feeling GRRM will handle it much smoother if he ever gets around to finishing.

True. It's the way to get there  that enraged most Dany stans. Not the fact she is being mad. It just felt rushed, HBO wanted it to be 10 episodes but D&D thinks 6 is enough. F them honestly. Ugh!

[Jadeykins 1,418]

i just wanna put this here. credit to Zack Beauchamp but it''s basically my thoughts on Dany and her character.

Earlier in the show, Game of Thrones put in a lot of work setting up parallels between Daenerys’s conquests in Essos and George W. Bush’s invasion of Iraq. Both Daenerys and Bush claimed high moral purpose — abolishing slavery and toppling a dictator, respectively — but were so clueless about the aftermath of their wars in foreign lands that they ended up facing violent and cruel insurgencies (remember the Sons of the Harpy?).

Now Daenerys is back in her native Westeros, leading a faction in a civil war rather than an invasion of a foreign country. She’s a revolutionary, working to overthrow the Lannister dynasty and install a new government — one that is hostile to “tyrants,” as she says this episode — in its place.

The problem, though, is that this kind of revolution can often replace old tyrannies with new ones. The classic examples here are 20th-century communist revolutionaries like Vladimir Lenin, Mao Zedong, and Fidel Castro — leaders who seized power in the name of the people but ended up building structures that oppress them.

Research by scholars Jeff Colgan and Jessica Weeks suggests that these equally oppressive outcomes are not accidents. Revolutionary leaders are often aggressive, and work to consolidate power for themselves after the revolution. They tend to build what political scientists call “personalist” dictatorships — political systems where ultimate power is concentrated in their hands and their hands alone — and then use that power to repress political opponents and wage war abroad.

“The same characteristics that allowed revolutionaries to succeed in their domestic struggle,” Colgan and Weeks write, “also make such leaders more likely to initiate international conflict once they have obtained office.”

Daenerys fits this pattern to a tee. A woman whose iron will and ruthlessness allowed her to rise to power on Essos, and to eventually win most of Westeros to her cause, she’s clearly an effective revolutionary. But that same will to power makes her unwilling to share it, and that same ruthlessness makes her willing to go to extreme lengths to punish her enemies. Any innocents who get hurt along the way are just collateral damage.